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Looney Tunes Discussion

Does this involve cross-scaling?
 
With additional context, within the “serververse”, there are many planet-looking places that Lebron flies past. But the way they are shaped, particularly the Casablanca and Harry Potter worlds, they don’t exactly reflect their actual size or structure. Like how Hogwarts castle expands into space when it’s just normal sized in the films. This is resemblant of the World Map from Kingdom Hearts. As we can see from this flydown from Marvin’s spaceship to the DCAU world, reality warps around it as they enter rather than them just flying through as they see it.

These “worlds” do not actually house planets, but entire franchises. It would be strange for the DCAU to be represented as just one planet when characters like Superman are from Krypton and Marvin is from Mars. Hence, the Rick and Morty World would house it’s franchise and canon. Multiverse included. The same with the Looneyverse. And above all of these franchises lies the Creation World where Warner Bros develops all of these franchises.

We could get 5-D or potentially even 6-D considering the Rick and Morty verse contains at least one higher dimension.
 
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DimeUhDozen said:
With additional context, within the “serververse”, there are many planet-looking places that Lebron flies past. But the way they are shaped, particularly the Casablanca and Harry Potter worlds, they don’t exactly reflect their actual size or structure. Like how Hogwarts castle expands into space when it’s just normal sized in the films. This is resemblant of the World Map from Kingdom Hearts. As we can see from this flydown from Marvin’s spaceship to the DCAU world, reality warps around it as they enter rather than them just flying through as they see it.

These “worlds” do not actually house planets, but entire franchises. It would be strange for the DCAU to be represented as just one planet when characters like Superman are from Krypton and Marvin is from Mars. Hence, the Rick and Morty World would house it’s franchise and canon. Multiverse included. The same with the Looneyverse. And above all of these franchises lies the Creation World where Warner Bros develops all of these franchises.

We could get 5-D or potentially even 6-D considering the Rick and Morty verse contains at least one higher dimension.
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Makes sense . It was something I personally assumed that the Serververse encompassed everything Warner Bros owned due to the context of it.
 
"There are also properties that are presented in-verse as movies or shows that characters refer to as such. For example, in The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Pinky & The Brain, and even its sequel, Space Jam: A New Legacy, the original Space Jam is referred to as a film. While this does keep it canon as it works within the actors' reality, it only does under the pretense that anything regarding the origins of the toons or integral world-building such as the toons living in a hole in the center of the Earth is made-up and not real. The following would go under this category:"

In which moment of the movie it is referred as a film?
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
"There are also properties that are presented in-verse as movies or shows that characters refer to as such. For example, in The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Pinky & The Brain, and even its sequel, Space Jam: A New Legacy, the original Space Jam is referred to as a film. While this does keep it canon as it works within the actors' reality, it only does under the pretense that anything regarding the origins of the toons or integral world-building such as the toons living in a hole in the center of the Earth is made-up and not real. The following would go under this category:"

In which moment of the movie it is referred as a film?
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At 5:44 when Al G. Rhythm is presenting various movies, Space Jam is one of them. Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries and Pinky and the Brain refer to it as a movie.
 
Is it valid to use R&M's cosmological establishments from R&M to establish cosmology in Looney Tunes based on R&M appearing in a crossover with Looney Tunes?
 
Imaginym said:
Is it valid to use R&M's cosmological establishments from R&M to establish cosmology in Looney Tunes based on R&M appearing in a crossover with Looney Tunes?
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Ordinarily, no, but A New Legacy is a mainline title in the Looney Tunes canon and R&M confirmed the canonicity of it in an episode years later. In the weirdest sense, it does fit cross scaling standards.
 
I’ve been thinking of seeing a way that we can get the Toons to Low 2-C or possibly 2-B instead of capping at High 3-A. A common feat for the toons is to survive the destruction of the cartoon itself, which should contain their multiverse. Hamton survives the fire destroying the film in Tiny Toons, Daffy and Porky survive them running so fast, it destroys the film reel, Bugs cuts the cartoon in half, etc.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
I’ve been thinking of seeing a way that we can get the Toons to Low 2-C or possibly 2-B instead of capping at High 3-A. A common feat for the toons is to survive the destruction of the cartoon itself, which should contain their multiverse. Hamton survives the fire destroying the film in Tiny Toons, Daffy and Porky survive them running so fast, it destroys the film reel, Bugs cuts the cartoon in half, etc.
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Could I see the scenes for these 3?
 
So here’s the current game plan.

After we get the varies rating go ahead from staff on my latest CRT, we’re going to have to do three sets of calcs.

Tier 9-8 calcs.

Tier 5 calcs.

And Tier 3-2 stuff, which is already kind of handled.

This is to show how varied the toons are and we can come to a consensus at how strong they are at their general weakest, then go to more cosmic feats.

Daffy would scale from say varies 8-B to 5-A to 2-B, Low 1-C with Dimensional Manipulation.

And Wile E. Coyote would scale from 8-B to 5-A to 2-B.

Might also need speed feats, and Roadrunner could be useful for that.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
So here’s the current game plan.

After we get the varies rating go ahead from staff on my latest CRT, we’re going to have to do three sets of calcs.

Tier 9-8 calcs.

Tier 5 calcs.

And Tier 3-2 stuff, which is already kind of handled.

This is to show how varied the toons are and we can come to a consensus at how strong they are at their general weakest, then go to more cosmic feats.

Daffy would scale from say varies 8-B to 5-A to 2-B, Low 1-C with Dimensional Manipulation.

And Wile E. Coyote would scale from 8-B to 5-A to 2-B.

Might also need speed feats, and Roadrunner could be useful for that.
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Interesting, but just in case to make sure if everything is sorted, we know do Bugs and Taz are High-Tier Toon Force Users, but what do characters like let's say say Sylvester, Tweety, Road-Runner, etc. exactly qualify in these criteria?
 
Propellus said:
Interesting, but just in case to make sure if everything is sorted, we know do Bugs and Taz are High-Tier Toon Force Users, but what do characters like let's say say Sylvester, Tweety, Road-Runner, etc. exactly qualify in these criteria?
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The toons all relatively scale physically to each other. In Space Jam: A New Legacy, they’re not acting. They’re legitimately giving it their best against the Goon Squad. So it would be fair to say they’re all physically able to compete alongside each other and those who can harm them. High Tier only scales to hax and the high tiers are granted Tier 1 as being able to exit the outside world and even perceive it are one of the qualifications.

Wile E. downscales from Roadrunner as he can somewhat keep up with him on multiple occasions, but he is ultimately just too fast for him. Bugs also admits that he is not as fast as the Roadrunner but he should downscale due to competing with those that can somewhat do so on the Goon Squad.

Daffy is a strange case because his own toon force varies from Mid to High Tier. In Duck Amuck, he is a victim of the animator and cannot directly perceive Bugs like the cast of Animaniacs. But in Wabbit and a later comic book, he is able to not only perceive the cartoonist but cross over to torment Bugs. I have been debating giving Daffy a new tier for modern works to compliment this, but I have a realizetion.

Daffy is stupid.

He is an egotistical little weirdo who always ends up at the end of the joke because he’s insecure, hot-tempered, and self-destructive. As you can imagine, with someone whose main power is essentially Subjective Reality, you can see why these powers would fluctuate. In Back in Action, he was tricked by Bugs into thinking that the entire movie’s events were real and that he was in legitimate danger, hence leading him to believe he could be harmed.

But at his peak, he can be just as much of a trickster as Bugs as seen in his early shorts and Wabbit. Daffy just holds himself back, but in the right mindset, he can achieve great things. Or his stubbornness can just get in the way of him thinking too hard. He tanks the Planet X explosion because he is too concentrated on arguing with Marvin to even notice the entire planet blowing up on him and vice versa. He does not even register it as a threat. So of course Subjective Reality would allow it to not harm him at all.

But when he is put into danger or is reading from a script that he is supposed to take damage in, it is very likely that he will buckle under pressure and get humiliated.

The same can be said for Elmer in Rabbit Rampage.
 
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Oh, and also Roadrunner, Wile E,, Sylvester, Tweety, and the gang are all Mid Tiers. They teach at ACME Looniversity and act professionally in Looney Tunes shorts and thus should be at a higher level than the Low Tiers who are students there.
 
The Looney Tunes Tier 1 Arguments.

Ladies and gentlemen. We have 6-D Bugs Bunny.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
We need this movie lit ong.
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Shame it seems like WB is making it hard for anyone to save it.
Tonygameman said:
This is totally in-character, considering that the duck wouldn't forget how it feels to be screwed over by the studio (particularly during Back in Action), besides being a underdog as well (and whenever or not he gets that short shown publicly).

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Was that before or after that news article?
 
Considering the situation around Coyote VS Acme, the plot line has apparently been leaked a while ago. Of course, we wouldn't use anything until someone else does the same with a whole script or footage (I wrote this whole post under a spoiler tab for good reasons; a particular project acknowledges the toons' immortality and physics in the real world even further).
 
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Tonygameman said:
Considering the whole situation around Coyote VS Acme, the plot line has apparently been leaked a while ago. Of course, we wouldn't use anything until someone else does the same with a whole script or footage (I wrote this whole post under a spoiler tab for good reasons; a particular project acknowledges the toons' immortality and physics in the real world even further).
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While this is great info, I wouldn’t say this would fit within the Actors canon. For one, Coyote and Roadrunner aren’t acting like they are in the franchise, and at the end Foghorn gets locked up, and we know specifically that he’s perfectly okay in the series. We can likely make separate profiles for these versions of the characters if the film is officially released at some point.
 
I believe we have enough evidence for Scooby Doo - Looney Tunes crossover canonicity.
Could Scooby and Shaggy have Toon Physiology? Quite possibly.
 
As for DC, things are tricky. Because there are different continuities of both Batman and Scooby, so I'll try to spell it out as best I can.

Mainline:
Mystery Incorporated:
13 Ghosts:
  • This is also supposedly another universe as of Crisis on Infinite Scoobys, contradicting canon, but Mystery Incorporated has it happen in its continuity as well, so it could have happened in another universe too.

Batman: The Brave and the Bold:
Scooby Apocalypse:
Be Cool, Scooby Doo:
James Gunn Scooby Doo Films:
  • Also an AU as of Crisis on Infinite Scoobys but is also a movie in the mainline canon. But movies and fictional works that are fiction in one universe can be real in another in multiverse stories, as we will soon see in Looney Tunes, so we're good.
Scooby Doo and Guess Who?:
Now why does all this matter? Why am I going on and on about Scooby Doo and its canonicity to DC? Well. BECUSE WE'VE FOUND THE LOONEY TUNES WORLD IN THE DC COSMOLOGY. AND IT'S EARTH 1959.
 
According to this interview, Warner Bros indeed made the call to make Scooby Doo Team Up consistent to The New Scooby Doo Adventures. The writer said it might be ambiguous as to whether or not they are referring to Brave and the Bold when it comes to their past adventures but going off the actual story content and our concrete evidence that B&tB and Mainline Scooby are separate continuities, it’s all but decisively the former
 
I feel like cross-scaling these all seem pretty unsafe, especially for the DC parts.
 
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