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His Reactive Power Level likely
No, because that value is split between Saitama and Garou since they co-performed the feat
But they tanked it and can harm each other. That's like, full on scaling.
It’s not accepted in the wiki I think, there were threads for it but it wasn’t accepted
Really? I've seen other OPM threads and they use the full value for Saitama (and Garou ig)
His evolution speed is ass, he'll be long dead before it even becomes noticeable
Are, are you serious?
Uhm, yeah, why? It took a wholeass chapter before his growth reached noticeable levels. Of course after that it was getting faster and faster and eventually got extremely fast, but his starting point is literally unnoticeable
That chapter probably took place in like, a minute. Also Saitama is starting with the A.P advantage so I don’t know why you think Boruto will be able to kill him quickly.
Not really. His growth started to be noticeable because one was on par with his strength (Garou only started to match Saitama at the end of the previous chapter).
The actual time frame is irrelevant because of speed equalization. The amount of actions is what's relevant here and they had a wholeass long fight around Io before Saitamas growth started to kick in.
Boruto just has to kill him before Saitamas jumps like 12 million times and throws countless attacks, I think he definitely has a chance.
The graph literally shows us that Saitamas growth until the end of the fight was a straight line…
Yeah and it took Saitama jumping around Io and attacking Garou millions of times alongside a whole chapter worth of fighting to get to those 13 punches. Of course if Boruto let's it get to that level he will quickly get defeated. But until then, he's fine.
does boruto have a way to one shot santana?
It's been a while since I read older OPM manga but I'm pretty sure Garous reactive evolution was, exactly that. Reactive. He usually got beaten up for most of the fight and then had a big jump.
Isn't that only parallel timeline Saitama, not post training? Current Saitama would be his post balding key as of now.
Uhm, no? His profile only notes of his skill when it comes to learning and replicating techniques. But skill in general isn't just learning a special punch and using it. If that were to be the case everyone would be equally skilled as Mike Tyson
… Or he could just overwhelm him with clones, speed amps, sealing, etc.
That's not how exponential work.
His growth that went unnoticed by anybody since there was nobody on par with his strength
If you think that, please, read OPM again.
Afaik, both scale (at least durability-wise) to the full value (and I think Saitama does AP-wise too, since he was holding back + he damaged Garou)
Garou literally said that Saitama's techniques SURPASS his techniques.Uhm, no? His profile only notes of his skill when it comes to learning and replicating techniques. But skill in general isn't just learning a special punch and using it. If that were to be the case everyone would be equally skilled as Mike Tyson
Already explained why the actual time frame doesn't matter.
Good point, that makes it pretty much useless even in the long run as it's not exponential.
I don’t know why are you sending me random math sites when we canonically see his growth was a straight line during the first 90% of the fight in the manga…
Garou copied and matched serious Saitama back on earth. He was on par with him pretty much from the start.
What?
Saitamas growth became "exponential" because of intense emotions. Yk, the emotions he felt from the very start of the battle because Genos killed all of his friends with stage 17 cancer and the one who survived it got killed with a stage 2 donut?
So what you're saying is that Saitamas growth doesn't take a loooooong time to start being noticeable, it takes the same amount of time to just, start in general. In other words, everything I said applies the exact same way regardless of who's interpretation we take.
That doesn't even contradict what I said tho…? Garou canonically gets stronger through near death experiences.
No idea about that, this thread is pretty old so it might have been changed since Rana posted it.
When? All I remember is Saitama replicating Garous MA.
Saitama fundamentally doesn't understand martial arts. All skill he actually displayed is just performing martial art moves but "skill" is not just about that at all.
No. Reread his fights against PS and Darkshine. Garou is growing continuously. Saitama's RE was enough to surpass both that and Garou's power mimicry simultaneously. The latter is literally copying the opponent's strength by seeing it and Garou still thought he was about to die with each passing punch.
Parallel timeline Saitama is over 50x stronger than his current self. Post-Balding Saitama is also within the one-shot range.
Copying skills isn't some magic button. And Saitama doesn't just learn techniques but also improves them. Time Travel was incomplete and Saitama perfected it. God Slayer Fist is a whole branch of techniques and Saitama learned it no problem. None of these are just some cool punches.Uhm, no? His profile only notes of his skill when it comes to learning and replicating techniques. But skill in general isn't just learning a special punch and using it. If that were to be the case everyone would be equally skilled as Mike Tyson
Again, Saitama will just respond by growing.
it's in his profile, also this btw
that's an unserious saitama who didnt matched a martial art god, read the battle against Cosmic Garou
Read the battle against Cosmic Garou
Darkshine literally one tapped him and so did PS in the beginning....
Which was said to trigger with near death experience, not a continuous passive growth.
It is with MANY characters.
I never doubted that, that's just not the relevant type of skill that's being talked about here.
Possibly, I'm not saying Boruto stomps or anything. But the discussion would then be whether Saitamas near death growth can save him from a barrage of clones who spam speed blitz tier amps and movement sealing.
Yeah again, copying moves is a specific skill same way chakra control is. It doesn't automatically translate to combat skill.
Soooo?
I did. Like 5x. All I remember Saitama doing is random punches at first and then copying Garous moves back at him.
idc how it works in Nardo, we are talking about how copying works in One Punch Man
Garou moves are skilled, sir
It's relevant because only their "starting" speed is equalized. Garou not only has his own growth rate but also equalized all of Saitama's stats via copying. But look at how he was folded by Saitama regardless. The reason Garou held his own against for so long because Garou kept copying Saitama's stats and still got outpaced at the end anyway. So if you think the same thing would happen here where you assume Boruto will not instantly get one-shotted just like Garou, you are assuming 1. Boruto can copy stats like Garou and 2. He has a growth rate like Garou. Boruto has neither.
Yup, I'm just pointing out how you were underestimating his growth rate. Technically, in this match, Saitama doesn't grow as fast as when he fought Garou unless the OP makes him bloodlusted.
What about it? Garou still didn't get suddenly stronger. Against Darkshine, it was directly stated that Garou was getting faster and stronger after he got up. Against PS, not only did he not get one-tapped at any point, but it is said by narration that Garou was growing endlessly.
Near-death experience just gives more RE than normal and it is only a requirement for breaking the limiter. I already gave an example where he doesn't need near-death experience, the part where he almost becomes SoL by trying hard. And we know that even without any of these, he still has some additional passive growth to some degree. In VGS, it is great enough to one-shot himself from yesterday. While it is not accepted in the wiki, Saitama still says in the same audiobook that he wouldn't lose to himself from yesterday. So Saitama has that + his other growth feats + his scaling from Garou.
Skill-copying was treated as something very rare before the whole cosmic stuff and those capable of it were called geniuses. After the cosmic stuff, it was still explained that Garou could use the copy only thanks to his knowledge of WSRSF. Copying is purely a skill feat in OPM.
It is though. I am arguing that since Saitama is skilled enough to copy and improve, then he should have enough understanding of these martial arts, whether consciously or instinctively, to use them in battles. He demonstrates this by holding his own against Garou when they had equal stats. Even if Saitama was actually some skillless guy with only the ability to copy, he would just copy Boruto's H2H skills to match him as he did against Garou. But that's simply not the case.
As I said previously, even during his training it was great enough to one-shot someone stomping him and Saitama already starts with more than 6x advantage here. Boruto might very well die right at the beginning. I already gave an example to his speed growth above and his scaling suggests he should be able to blitz someone comparable to him within milliseconds.
