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Strongest 5-D Characters on the Wiki

Theglassman12 said:
@Reiner04 and if those weaker than the concept guy can beat the dude who has death hax then he should be lower then, also if it’s king standing then there wouldn’t be a constant argument over the throne so 🗿🗿🗿
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Well, I just had my opinions over it, which basically forms over major cases while ignoring rare occurance such as death manp + concept guy or Aca type 5 guy + one with it's resistance. But if the rules are to ignore intangibility then that's just that.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Brogeefrong because the plot hax needs feats of interacting with a NEP in the first place, it’s the same logic of arguing mindhax can affect someone who’s NEP just because they don’t have a mind being lacked, ignoring how the mindhax has never encountered a NEP being in the first place so it’s textbook definition NLF.
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But why? what stops them from manipulated, even if other aspects dont exist, if one is in existence what stops that aspect from beong manipulated
 
Robo432343 said:
Character A has only 1 ability and its passive social influencing
Character B has extremely powerful stuff like conceptual manip, high godly regen, 2-A BFR etc
Character A ends up defeating B in a vs match coz of the social influencing
do i put A over B in the list?
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That's ******* rare.
 
That’s only an unconventional resistance to the hax, their nature is still beyond the idea of Existence and nothingness itself, which needs evidence of being affected by. So again you need evidence otherwise it’s a NLF.
 
Theglassman12 said:
That’s only an unconventional resistance to the hax, their nature is still beyond the idea of Existence and nothingness itself, which needs evidence of being affected by. So again you need evidence otherwise it’s a NLF.
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Why would all their aspects be of that nature, if they haven't shown those aspects in that nature
 
@Brogeefrong Aspects is only a specific part that they just lack where Nature is their entire being, and Type 5 in general just covers anything that isn’t the main 4, and again, you’re pulling a NLF for an ability. So either bring the evidence they can affect NEP or stop repeating the same argument.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Brogeefrong Aspects is only a specific part that they just lack where Nature is their entire being, and Type 5 in general just covers anything that isn’t the main 4, and again, you’re pulling a NLF for an ability. So either bring the evidence they can affect NEP or stop repeating the same argument.
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Aspect 5 is Other, not all other aspects into one, and for Blazblue idk what the Aspect 5 is
 
Because aspect isn’t what’s needed to affect the character, it’s their nature. If you’re just going to repeat the same comment over and over again without evidence plot can affect all types of NEP then tough shit because that’s how NEP works here.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Because aspect isn’t what’s needed to affect the character, it’s their nature. If you’re just going to repeat the same comment over and over again without evidence plot can affect all types of NEP then tough shit because that’s how NEP works here.
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What I mean is even if Blazblue has aspects that are in the Type 2 Nature, they dont have the nature for their plot, so it can be affected by Plot Hax that hasent been shown effecting NEP
 
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2. Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.
 
This type of NEP is kinda hard to interact with reality warping if they're existence isn't that grounded to most aspects of existence
 
Brogeefrong said:
You'd still be able to manipulate any aspect they dont have NEP
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I guess it does kinda depend on the aspect since it's not like ND aspect 2 which just auto blankets every aspect in reality. So I guess the NLF can go in either directions if the NEP doesn't have any feats of covering every possible aspect type 5 under the sun
 
I'd wanted to nominate the Devourer from epic battle fantasy but unfortunately he does have the "screw you I transcended into a higher dimension" option just on hand
 
Characters below number 5 doesn't seems to have resistance towards some of the haxes Krishna has, so they would either be lacking or be at disadvantage position due to not being able to interact with Krishna at all.
 
Robo432343 said:
nuking the cosmology solves the problem of acausality type 5
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How do? Also He exist and far beyond his cosmology due to being beyond his Virat form that extends to all that exist. Where and to what he's is just straight up unknown.
 
Robo432343 said:
if the cosmology is nuked then acausality 5 is useless and krishna wouldn't be able to regen from it
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Aca type 5 is being independent cause nd effect, not really a things about cosmology, also that his existence itself is independent of cosmology so it wouldn't harm him.
Robo432343 said:
also i learned from decieved that krishna would need to defeat everyone below him to qualify for number 5
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Characters below Krishna are lacking resistances towards his hax.
 
4D character won't be affected since he's outside of cause, effect nd uninteractable lol.

Do sonic & kratos defeats number 6, 7, 8, 9 etc?
 
Robo432343 said:
saying a 4D character with aca 5 is surviving a 10D cosmology nuke is a complete NLF
bro read this
"Though the character is completely independent of causality to the point of being unaffected by any outside change, this only extends to as far as evidence shows and not to things beyond its feats
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Well, that's arguing with standards then. Not NLF since being independent of causality and uninteractable is different than being able to interact with dimensions. Do u have any precident which shows that a Tier 1 guy or anyone nuked aca type 5 without having evidence that he can interact with one?
Robo432343 said:
sonic and kratos would both incon krisha and shiva but would lose to instant death and db characters (until CM, info and layers gets removed for DB)
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Mismatch then. Since A is losing to B who loses to C who can't interact with A.
 
Greenshifter said:
Check the aca page.
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I'm not sure about what that page meant as I've not seen a case where aca type 5 can be interacted with without having evidence of such. But either way, I'll leave it at knowledgeable members.
 
Greenshifter said:
Ottavio and I did some digging in the Solaris thread and we found that higher-D plane nukes can incap or destroy basically all characters with lower-D defensive abilities on VSBW
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BDE type 2 + Aca type 5 then?
 
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