Maybe he isn't weaker by a degree of one shotting but definitely to a degree in which he can't harm her since she casually blocked his serious attacks.
And thus, saying significantly stronger, is wank.
His serious attacks? The way magic defense works would block just about anything, even if it was stronger than her to a degree. It's a bit ***** and there's a limit, but still.
It doesn't have a strict UES but it is good enough. Idk why you bring that up here actually.
Im saying dont push it, spells have strict effects, how do we know this spell's power correlates to other spells? It isnt basic offense magic after all. Aka, dont take a mile from a inch.
Macht was a threat to Frieren but we seriously don't know to what extent. With his main trump card being useless he would get fodderized in a confrontation with her for sure since she IS the best at Zoltraak as she is the one who worked on deciphering it, only being potentially worse than Fern due to speed and maybe Serie due to sheer power. Basically I don't think Macht is a good comparison point for powerscaling here.
If that was the case she couldve beat his ass at any time, matter of the fact is, she said he was dangerous, didnt know if she could even win if they fought, at one point says she doesnt think she would, and his trump card? If that was the only issue she could just zoltrack and one shot his ass and defenses if she was so far above him like you claim.
She isn't, Mact is established by a legitimate threat outside his one curse, it's just the curse makes him untouchable.
Frieren wasn't as concentrated as she could've been due to her solving the barrier. When she was deciphering Macht's memories she had to use lots of mana and concetration. This isn't quite the same but it would affect her, she wouldn't be fighting with full concetration and power.
Yeah no, her casually deciphering a forcefield, one she almost had done anyway, is NOT THE same as having to use all her brain power to systematically decipher a demon's life and unknown science to the point she was basically vegetative for 3 months.
Against Denken, they make absolutely zero implication it's affecting her combat ability, if it did, which is total conjecture, it'd be so negligible it wouldnt even matter.
Frieren struggles against Soltäire mainly due to how her attacks work. Frieren only gets in trouble when the mana blast gets used which is almost hax since it is a blunt, invisible and very fast attack.
You do know her attack is, in her own words, pure, raw, power right? It is the opposite of hax, it's basically raw kinetic energy.
We don't know how Soltäire compares since she and Macht never fought. Macht relies on hax and close combat rather than other magic while Soltäire relies on ranged magic packed with mana. Comparing them feels wrong.
Actually, not true, we're told her and Macht have about equal mana; they're comparable. Plus, he's stated by other great demons to be among the strongest. If Frieren aint eclipsing Soli, by direct proxy she cant eclipse Macht.
Macht relies on hax and close combat rather than other magic while Soltäire relies on ranged magic packed with mana. Comparing them feels wrong.
That's true, but, he is also still capable of other magic, including his gold petal storm. Frieren herself is in a state of "can beat him, but if she actually would is hard to tell" as said by Soli (who actually knows how strong she is, thanks time travel), because we're flatout told this.
And, case and point, hax, magic power, magic hax, it all just depends on the spell, even using a fire tornado to scale is a bit off if we dont know how much of that is spell rules and visualization of magic and how much is one's power, i wont chase this though because whatever they probably are above it anyway, but still.
Anyways, I think this argument is aimless since we won't be reaching Low 7-C+ with the upscaling anyways.
It is, but wording is important, if you want to say she's stronger, go ahead, you'd be right, but saying significantly though conveys an absolute insane gap, which is inflation, if Frieren aint careful she could get taken out and he could in turn take a few hits even if he ultimately loses. There's a gap, it aint no one shot or stomp tho.
Frieren scales above Denken and Serie scales way above them both. Fern scales around the same level as Denken.
Fern is literally getting scarily close to Frieren, a drastically weaker Fern than now could briefly fight Frieren's phantom remember? She's still quite a bit below, but if Denken = Current Fern, that all but tells me Frieren aint stomping him.
Fyi Macht could defend against a few of casual Serie's attacks. Obviously she wasnt all out, but still.