Frieren - Small changes that affect a large number of characters

[Shadow_x007x]

Introduction:​

In a previous thread, we assigned Tier 7 to Frieren. However, there are two aspects that we overlooked in that discussion:

1. Speed:​

• Current: Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+
• Proposed: Supersonic+, possibly Hypersonic+

Reasoning:

• A calculation for Frieren's casual spellcasting yields a result of Supersonic+.

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End - Frieren's magic attack speed

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• This calculation has an effect on mage characters in this verse, as they are able to respond to normal magic and are able to put up protective barriers.

Voting:
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

2. Lifting Strength:

• Accepted Calculation: An apprentice mage can lift a large water boulder with magic.

Frieren - Kanne controls water into a large ball

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• Result: As a result, low-level mages of this verse were able to gain class K with magic.

Voting:
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

High Tier:
We have 3 calculations for anime and manga. It is necessary to agree on what level should be used.

• Manga Version: 538,335,399.882 kg (Class M)

Richter lifts up a plateau

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• Anime Version (Low End): 7,327,943,056.66 kg (Class M)

Frieren - Calculations that affect the God Tier of this verse

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• Anime Version (High End): 40,324,664,560.1 kg (Class G)

Frieren - Richter raises the ground (Anime)

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Scale High level mage is superior to Richter.

Voting:
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Arceus0x]

I think I agree for now but idk if we can scale Richter's LS since it's ground manipulation rather than straight up telekinesis

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I actually forgot to mention that we have a class M rock-lifting demon ability. We can still accept class M levels for them even if Richter's feat is rejected.

Sousou no Frieren : The demon lifted the cliff with magic

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[Dalesean027]

• Anime Version (Low End): 7,327,943,056.66 kg (Class M)

Frieren - Richter raises the ground (Anime)

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• Anime Version (High End): 40,324,664,560.1 kg (Class G)

Frieren - Calculations that affect the God Tier of this verse

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Scale High level mage is superior to Richter.

Voting:
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Completely disagree with the usage of these two as we already said in the discussion thread, while they are mathematically fine they're still very much unnecessary as we are overly relying on the anime here for something we already had a clear view of in the manga withs calcs for as well and thus the results are vastly different from anything in the primary source with no real reason that the anime should be used in this case

We have 3 calculations for anime and manga. It is necessary to agree on what level should be used.

For tornado shouldn't scale to LS I think since its just him making a tornado

Result: As a result, low-level mages of this verse were able to gain class K with magic.

Not sure we can really scale to this any ole low class mage since her water manipulation is a very specifc ability of hers that we don't really know if anyone can just replicate and in fact we specifcally know that they specifically use the flight speed to float other objects and that said spell has very specifc limits to what they able to carry and do for things of significantly less weight.

Of course otherwise this is fine for kanne because its her water manipulation


Otherwise the Supersonic feat is fine

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Completely disagree with the usage of these two as we already said in the discussion thread, while they are mathematically fine they're still very much unnecessary as we are overly relying on the anime here for something we already had a clear view of in the manga withs calcs for as well and thus the results are vastly different from anything in the primary source with no real reason that the anime should be used in this case

Ok, so you see the benefit of using manga to scale their lift power, right?

For tornado shouldn't scale to LS I think since its just him making a tornado

I'm not saying we'll scale their LS based on the weight of the storm.

Not sure we can really scale to this any ole low class mage since her water manipulation is a very specifc ability of hers that we don't really know if anyone can just replicate and in fact we specifcally know that they specifically use the flight speed to float other objects and that said spell has very specifc limits to what they able to carry and do for things of significantly less weight.

Of course otherwise this is fine for kanne because its her water manipulation

Are you neutral on this matter?

Otherwise the Supersonic feat is fine

Do you agree to keep them at Supersonic? My proposal is to make them Supersonic+?

Proposed: Supersonic+, possibly Hypersonic+

 

[Dalesean027]

Ok, so you see the benefit of using manga to scale their lift power, right?

??? We've already said the manga should be usrd and has, the richter calc was already done so I'm not sure what you're exactly trying to say

I'm not saying we'll scale their LS based on the weight of the storm.

Then why list its weight?

Are you neutral on this matter?

Precisely what I said are my opinions on the matter

Do you agree to keep them at Supersonic? My proposal is to make them Supersonic+?

I know hence me saying the supersonic stuff is fine

 

[Shadow_x007x]

??? We've already said the manga should be usrd and has, the richter calc was already done so I'm not sure what you're exactly trying to say
Then why list its weight?

I just noticed that I attached the wrong link and I fixed it.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I think I agree for now but idk if we can scale Richter's LS since it's ground manipulation rather than straight up telekinesis

I'd want to comment on this. Ritcher mentions that what he does is overwhelm the enemy with the mass of physical matter that he creates using the earth's manip.
The reason why his Earth magic is capable of overwhelming defensive magic is by simply overwhelming it with mass that it cannot block the physical attack. as most defensive magic is not developed to block attacks or weight far higher than needed.

The problem here tho is that Ritcher didn't use his LS feat as a whole to overwhelm people with mass but is capable of so I don't think it should be scaled to other people. while the demon feat is more of spatial displacement.
Ritcher could get the LS but I doubt it should scale to the cast. though idk if them being able to block the weight of an attack using complex defensive magic would count as LS since they aren't lifting but simply having the barrier block the force of the weight

Especially seeing how Frieren is in the manga rather than using TK on the spatially displaced ground. Frieren simply destroyed it when she got teleported to the past in ch109

 

[Zabazab]

I actually forgot to mention that we have a class M rock-lifting demon ability. We can still accept class M levels for them even if Richter's feat is rejected.

Sousou no Frieren : The demon lifted the cliff with magic

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As said in a previous CRT, this cliff wasn't lifted by anyone and therefore shouldn't have been calculated as a LS feat at all.

 

[AThe1412]

Bump?

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Bump for interest

 

[Dalesean027]

Just ask a staff member to comment here

 

[NatzuX]

1. Speed:​

• Current: Supersonic, possibly Hypersonic+
• Proposed: Supersonic+, possibly Hypersonic+

Reasoning:

• A calculation for Frieren's casual spellcasting yields a result of Supersonic+.

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End - Frieren's magic attack speed

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• This calculation has an effect on mage characters in this verse, as they are able to respond to normal magic and are able to put up protective barriers.

Fine

2. Lifting Strength:

• Accepted Calculation: An apprentice mage can lift a large water boulder with magic.

Frieren - Kanne controls water into a large ball

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• Result: As a result, low-level mages of this verse were able to gain class K with magic.

Neutral

We have 3 calculations for anime and manga. It is necessary to agree on what level should be used.

We should ref from original, likes manga. So, manga well.