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I believe it's been answered now
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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I have to ask, how do we treat Zeno's erasure feat in regards to the whole "it's possible to go back to a time in your world before it was erased" ordeal (I'm asking how the site treats it specifically)? It could be interpreted as an anti-feat against Zeno erasing past/present/future. Do we ignore it as a plot hole? Have we determined that he only erased the future (half the timeline)?
Killerdrone123
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The cosmology is based on mwi so there could be different variations of trunks timelines present in the cosmology
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Is that how the site sees it? I was more-so wondering what the site’s standards for that are.
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By the way.
You know that argument that IZ merged with the timeline and not just with the universe because Zeno decided to erase the entire timeline?
Do these guys forget that Zeno from the manga decided to erase the entire timeline just because of fused Zamasu clones?
Like, he decided to erase everything just because, I don't know, the earth was destroyed and there were several clones of fused Zamasu.
You know that argument that IZ merged with the timeline and not just with the universe because Zeno decided to erase the entire timeline?
Do these guys forget that Zeno from the manga decided to erase the entire timeline just because of fused Zamasu clones?
Like, he decided to erase everything just because, I don't know, the earth was destroyed and there were several clones of fused Zamasu.
Killerdrone123
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I mean it is the most logical conclusion since it was made clear the timeline was erased even more blatantly in the manga with the disappearing of timering and the site accepts mwi at worst case scenario it is a plothole
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It was explained when Bulma was explaining the time travel iirc, it's an alternate timeline, they always go to a parallel world from where they came, not that same one specifically
That explanation attempt was for the anime Zeno, Manga Zeno is a straight psychopath, this guy was using universes as chess pieces and wanted to simply destroy then because there were too many on the board
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Honestly, I still don't fully understand what they did, Beerus also commented on Whis being able to end up creating another parallel world.
But in the manga we clearly see the destruction of a time ring when Zeno ends everything.
Furthermore, each timeline would kind of have its own silver ring (original time ring) and green rings (alternative timelines created from them)
For example, the timeline that Zamasu became Black. In that timeline there was practically everything we know, even the tournament from universe 6 and 7, probably that black timeline has a green ring which is the trunks timeline of the future that was generated from the timeline from black.
That's why black wears a silver ring and not a green one.
The very timeline we follow is a parallel timeline, and in that timeline there is a silver and green ring.
In short.
Each timeline has its silver ring, which represents the timeline. If this timeline changes in the past, a green ring will be made, which represents an alternative timeline that was made because of this change.
But within this alternative timeline, there is a silver ring that represents this timeline, as well as green rings that were created by someone altering the past of this alternative timeline from another timeline.
But in the manga we clearly see the destruction of a time ring when Zeno ends everything.
Furthermore, each timeline would kind of have its own silver ring (original time ring) and green rings (alternative timelines created from them)
For example, the timeline that Zamasu became Black. In that timeline there was practically everything we know, even the tournament from universe 6 and 7, probably that black timeline has a green ring which is the trunks timeline of the future that was generated from the timeline from black.
That's why black wears a silver ring and not a green one.
The very timeline we follow is a parallel timeline, and in that timeline there is a silver and green ring.
In short.
Each timeline has its silver ring, which represents the timeline. If this timeline changes in the past, a green ring will be made, which represents an alternative timeline that was made because of this change.
But within this alternative timeline, there is a silver ring that represents this timeline, as well as green rings that were created by someone altering the past of this alternative timeline from another timeline.
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Iirc that used to be how regen worked, but the wiki changed how regen works. Such as, how high godly regeneration was treated similarly until you needed specific feats of being able to regenerate from each fundamental level to qualify.
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Basically I think it works like this.
The reason why I think each alternate timeline has a silver time ring (which represents that same alternate timeline) and possibly green rings (in case someone from that alternate timeline alters its past, creating new timelines )
It's because the very timeline that we follow throughout the manga is an alternative timeline, which was created by time travel.
If someone understands differently, just speak up.
This image is an example and not a map of DB timelines made by the various future trunks
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Goku Black's world is the original world of the present; our current present is branched off of Goku Black's world, due to Future Trunks travelling to the past to warn the Z-Fighters, resulting in Beerus erasing Zamasu and creating a temporal paradox.
And, in the manga, Future Trunks's world is represented by a green Time Ring, despite the fact that Trunks created their world. As if the Time Rings represented the entirety of parallel worlds.
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The complicated issue is that we don't know we are an alternate timeline until the moment of time travel that turns us into one.
For example, before the Black saga, we would probably think that we are the first timeline to have events from Universe 6 and 7, but no, before ours existed there was another one, which is Black's.
The timeline we follow is basically derived from various branches of previous time travel.
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Is the issue of the trunk world of the future being represented by a green ring, strange?
If you go back in time, you make green rings that represent parallel worlds from x world.
How is the trunk line of the future a green ring? Someone would have to have traveled in time to be able to create the trunks timeline of the future.
It cannot have been a parallel world made from ours. Since in the timeline we follow, there would not even be a way to create these future trunks.
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https://media.**********.net/attachments/666703024781262866/1174816238556414023/rendercombined.jpg
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There’s gotta be High 1-A scaling in there somewhere…
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I don't know. All I know is a green ring disappeared.
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My only thoughts on Daima are "Why make everyone children?"
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Our Future Trunks's timeline is not the original, the original one is where Trunks is killed by Cell. Timelines are created at the exact point where history was changed, so Trunks likely created his timeline when he killed Cell, since the opposite was supposed to happen in the original one
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Honestly with the way they present it my interpretation is that there's no "original" just people jumping across timelines
Nullflowerblush
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Trunks was supposed to defeat the Androids with their shutdown buttons.
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canon Dragon Ball runs on Many Worlds theory so there is a parallel world for every possibility. All of the movies are considered parallel worlds by Toriyama, GT is accepted as a parallel world, even the Toei anime is a parallel world. There are virtually infinite timelines that exist naturally.
Traveling to the past artificially creates new timelines which is considered an issue because it can apparently cause something bad for time itself. So in that sense, the 'original' timeline that Cell comes from is just another parallel world, that naturally exists.
Someone might bring up time rings but Gowasu specifies that traveling to the past was considered impossible until a mortal from U12 made a time machine. The Time Rings are specifically for parallel worlds made via changing the past.
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Giving this thread some exposure since it’s hella straightforward
What 1-C update? Do you mean Low 1-C? If so there already has been upgrades regarding it.
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Tier 0 gohan confirmed
Spinoirr
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We can finally make a manga Gohan profile as he has different powers now
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Yeah the edit looks soo good
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And he defeated them. The major difference was his death because it was supposed to happen, but the androids would be defeated anyway
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The fact that he defeated them differently and presumably at a later date because in the past the "original" Future Trunks returned from, the Cell Games proceeded without a Trunks, is major enough to warrant a split.
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I thought they were for viewing the future...
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That split already happened when Trunks decided to stay in the past when he discovered Cell's time machine
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Anything noteworthy?
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someone is going to make arceus vs goku
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We all know how this is going to end
Killerdrone123
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Nothing just a message from toriyama
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If you want to upgrade the range of those with time rings and the trunks time machine to Low 1-C. Since the two can move through alternative timelines.
Feel free.
Just wait for the IZ crt to finish.
Because there is a problem between 5D and interdimensional range.
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Yes. The Time Rings were created by changes to the past, resulting in parallel worlds that shouldn't exist. Gowasu even explicitly states that it's strictly prohibited to go to the past and that Time Rings can only take you to the future and present of that ring's timeline.
A Time Ring (silver) exists for the hypertimeline -> U12 Mortals create a time machine -> Changing the past spawns a new world that shouldn't exist -> Now parallel worlds have multiple time rings (green)
Why can one timeline have multiple time rings from time travel but not other parallel worlds? Probably because the timelines are related. Those other parallel worlds come from rewriting history and result in other worlds being made via more time travel. So they're like a family of timelines. Think of it as like Cell's world is the father of Trunks' and Goku's worlds.
Simplest way I can summarise it is: time rings are bastard children from one night stands.
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And don't forget that these parallel worlds each have their own silver ring, but they can also have green rings, if someone from that alternative timeline changes the past.
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What the hell are y'all going on about?
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