All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Serlock_Holmes]

Nah I like. Finding interesting stuff to talk about.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Guys, if we get Zamasu low 1-C, don't try to upgrade Jiren and other characters with this, as this will generate endless demotion, The fact that no demotion has happened so far is because we haven't scaled any of the main characters to tier 1, so avoid doing Jiren low 1-C.

 

[Hasty12345]

Isn't IZ only getting low 1-C range?

 

[Padaruyos]

Guys, if we get Zamasu low 1-C, don't try to upgrade Jiren and other characters with this, as this will generate endless demotion, The fact that no demotion has happened so far is because we haven't scaled any of the main characters to tier 1, so avoid doing Jiren low 1-C.

IZ ain't even getting Low 1-C AP we're good for now.

The only way we're getting Low 1-C AP on other Canon chars (besides Zen'O) in the future is in future chapters or episodes where someone can shake or threaten the whole timeline or something

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Guys, if we get Zamasu low 1-C, don't try to upgrade Jiren and other characters with this, as this will generate endless demotion, The fact that no demotion has happened so far is because we haven't scaled any of the main characters to tier 1, so avoid doing Jiren low 1-C.

Only at maximum range like the guys who can use time rings and time machines.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Guys, if we get Zamasu low 1-C, don't try to upgrade Jiren and other characters with this, as this will generate endless demotion, The fact that no demotion has happened so far is because we haven't scaled any of the main characters to tier 1, so avoid doing Jiren low 1-C.

No one is going to do this, we have repeatedly said Zamasu doesn't get low 1c AP

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Isn't IZ only getting low 1-C range?

IZ ain't even getting Low 1-C AP we're good for now.

The only way we're getting Low 1-C AP on other Canon chars (besides Zen'O) in the future is in future chapters or episodes where someone can shake or threaten the whole timeline or something

Only at maximum range like the guys who can use time rings and time machines.

No one is going to do this, we have repeatedly said Zamasu doesn't get low 1c AP

There are people trying to debate him to escalate straight '-'

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

DRAGON BALL GT GUIDE: PERFECT FILES VOL. 1

THE FIRST IMAGES OF THE CHARACTERS

HERE ARE THE FIRST IMAGES MADE BY MASTER TORIYAMA AND THE DRAWING DESIGNERS BEFORE THE TRANSMISSION OF DRAGON BALL GT! SOME ARE SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME

IMAGE PANELS CREATED BY AKIRA TORIYAMA

THESE ARE THE ILLUSTRATIONS THAT INDICATE THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE STORY CREATED BEFORE TRANSMISSION! THESE IMAGE PANELS CREATED BY MASTER TORIYAMA ARE THE BASIS OF THE GT WORLD

There are still people who think that Akira Toriyama did absolutely nothing in DBGT

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Sorry, but this guide only has Spanish or Portuguese for us here, so it's difficult to find it in English or Japanese anyway.

 

[Raskolux]

Guys, if we get Zamasu low 1-C, don't try to upgrade Jiren and other characters with this, as this will generate endless demotion, The fact that no demotion has happened so far is because we haven't scaled any of the main characters to tier 1, so avoid doing Jiren low 1-C.

It doesn't seem possible considering past attempts haha

But we can try the L1-C range thing.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It doesn't seem possible considering past attempts haha

But we can try the L1-C range thing.

Hehehe, infinite Zamasu should get 5D

 

[Raskolux]

Hehehe, infinite Zamasu should get 5D

I want this as much as you do man (But I can guess what will happen when we try it)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I want this as much as you do man (But I can guess what will happen when we try it)

Jiren 5D

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Jiren 5D

Vegeta's, Piccolo's, Gohan's, Goku's and Frieza's? Cause they stomp his ass.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Vegeta's, Piccolo's, Gohan's, Goku's and Frieza's? Cause they stomp his ass.

Worse than true, Jiren now catches everyone

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I get so excited that no one in the verse other than Zen'ō and Daishinkan can do anything against Infinite Zamasu

Infinite Zamasu> all gods of destruction and including all other mortals in the tournament of power

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I get so excited that no one in the verse other than Zen'ō and Daishinkan can do anything against Infinite Zamasu

Infinite Zamasu> all gods of destruction and including all other mortals in the tournament of power

He's not stronger tho

They just don't have the required potency and range to kill him

Beerus may get the potency if his feat of erasing Dr mashirito is brought back, but he still doesn't have the range


He mostly just wins via outlasting them

 

[Raskolux]

He's not stronger tho

They just don't have the required potency and range to kill him

Beerus may get the potency if his feat of erasing Dr mashirito is brought back, but he still doesn't have the range


He mostly just wins via outlasting them

If we are to accept hakai as a 5d hax it should include all gods of destruction

(Gods of Destruction have the same Energy of Destruction Aura as Toppo, and it is completely ineffective against other Gods of Destruction)

From Belmod's profile ↑

 

[Raskolux]

I get so excited that no one in the verse other than Zen'ō and Daishinkan can do anything against Infinite Zamasu

Infinite Zamasu> all gods of destruction and including all other mortals in the tournament of power

I mean, I don't want to comment on what happens in 1v1 for now, but why don't we accept that "mighties foe" and similar statements made for jiren refer to zamasu? at least in values such as ap/dura he should scale above zamasu

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

If we are to accept hakai as a 5d hax it should include all gods of destruction

From Belmod's profile ↑

This would just be in terms of 5D resistance tho, not offensive hax potency, we've already seen differences in potency of hakai, Frieza against sidra's hakai that was meant to kill vs Toppo's hakai that was in a tournament where killing was unnecessary.


They would get resistance, not potency, only Zeno and GP gets scales from his hakai, Zeno having a layered EE potency due to Zamasu being resistance to Beerus'EE, GP just scaling higher but no layers (anime GP doesn't have the feat of erasing an angel so he doesn't get that)

 

[AwkguyDB]

DBH vs MCU

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He's not stronger tho

They just don't have the required potency and range to kill him

Beerus may get the potency if his feat of erasing Dr mashirito is brought back, but he still doesn't have the range


He mostly just wins via outlasting them

Infinite Zamasu with his 4D attacks destroys all characters and Gods of destruction

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I mean, I don't want to comment on what happens in 1v1 for now, but why don't we accept that "mighties foe" and similar statements made for jiren refer to zamasu? at least in values such as ap/dura he should scale above zamasu

Hyperbole this Jiren thing

 

[Raskolux]

This would just be in terms of 5D resistance tho, not offensive hax potency, we've already seen differences in potency of hakai, Frieza against sidra's hakai that was meant to kill vs Toppo's hakai that was in a tournament where killing was unnecessary.


They would get resistance, not potency, only Zeno and GP gets scales from his hakai, Zeno having a layered EE potency due to Zamasu being resistance to Beerus'EE, GP just scaling higher but no layers (anime GP doesn't have the feat of erasing an angel so he doesn't get that)

Meh, I think that the examples about frieza you presented are more related to limited resistance or something like that

As stated in the profs I just posted, the e.e. of all gods of destruction are equivalent to each other

Eventually all we'll have is 5D e.e. (I don't know how many times I have to repeat this) and it will be the default hax for all gods of destruction.

Zamasu + zeno and gp's e.e. are completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

 

[Raskolux]

Hyperbole this Jiren thing

I personally do not think that something that has been stated "many times" and touted so many times is a metaphor, if we are discussing whether or not to give jiren a scale on beerus through these statements, this situation is clearly retconned in the manga. but I think that at least those statements are enough for jiren to scale obove zamasu in terms of ap/dura.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Meh, I think that the examples about frieza you presented are more related to limited resistance or something like that

I don't think so, sidra wanted them dead, toppo didn't, Frieza wasn't even bothered by sidra's, he only struggled to compress it. But either way, I don't think, for now anyway, other GoDs would be allowed to scale, I have no issue with this being the case tho

As stated in the profs I just posted, the e.e. of all gods of destruction are equivalent to each other

But the GoDs themselves aren't all of equal ability, and this will affect the potency of their hakai, I feel this is what may be used to reject it

Eventually all we'll have is 5D e.e. (I don't know how many times I have to repeat this) and it will be the default hax for all gods of destruction.

Hopefully so

Zamasu + zeno and gp's e.e. are completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.

I know

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I personally do not think that something that has been stated "many times" and touted so many times is a metaphor, if we are discussing whether or not to give jiren a scale on beerus through these statements, this situation is clearly retconned in the manga. but I think that at least those statements are enough for jiren to scale obove zamasu in terms of ap/dura.

Doesn't Jiren already scale above Zamasu in terms of AP? Infinite Zamasu doesn't get an AP buff

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I personally do not think that something that has been stated "many times" and touted so many times is a metaphor, if we are discussing whether or not to give jiren a scale on beerus through these statements, this situation is clearly retconned in the manga. but I think that at least those statements are enough for zamasu to scale obove zamasu in terms of ap/dura.

Statements can only be used if the evidence and feats back it up, Beerus being a moving goalpost pretty much disproves Jiren power statements.

At best DB will get 5D hax/range (for those not on Zeno's or Arale's level).

Doesn't Jiren already scale above Zamasu in terms of AP? Infinite Zamasu doesn't get an AP buff

IZ is pretty much carried by his hax anyway.

 

[Raskolux]

I don't think so, sidra wanted them dead, toppo didn't, Frieza wasn't even bothered by sidra's, he only struggled to compress it. But either way, I don't think, for now anyway, other GoDs would be allowed to scale, I have no issue with this being the case tho

But the GoDs themselves aren't all of equal ability, and this will affect the potency of their hakai, I feel this is what may be used to reject it

Hopefully so

I know

The intention is really unimportant here because sidra clearly shared "a small part" of the energy of destruction there and was belittling them

I think the e.e. of all gods of destruction should scale by default if this 5D hakai thingy is accepted, as it is clearly stated as equivalent in the current profiles.

I also don't think that "not all of them have the same ability" would obviously affect this situation, as it is only relevant for e.e.

Doesn't Jiren already scale above Zamasu in terms of AP? Infinite Zamasu doesn't get an AP buff

Yeah, and again, yeah, he's not gonna get an ap buff or anything like that.

 

[StarShooter80]

So uhhhhh

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

So uhhhhh

?

 

[Raskolux]

Statements can only be used if the evidence and feats back it up, Beerus being a moving goalpost pretty much disproves Jiren power statements.

At best DB will get 5D hax/range (for those not on Zeno's or Arale's level).

IZ is pretty much carried by his hax anyway.

1)What I defended was already 5d hax from the very beginning, nothing more
2)I made it clear that this statement would not place jiren over beerus "because it was retconned in the manga" but it should still be enough to put him over zamasu.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Are you claiming that zamasu can destroy all timelines

 

[Raskolux]

Are you claiming that zamasu can destroy all timelines

I hope he's not claiming anything like that

 

[Killerdrone123]

I hope he's not claiming anything like that

By the looks of it he is

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I personally do not think that something that has been stated "many times" and touted so many times is a metaphor, if we are discussing whether or not to give jiren a scale on beerus through these statements, this situation is clearly retconned in the manga. but I think that at least those statements are enough for jiren to scale obove zamasu in terms of ap/dura.

This is quite funny because in the DBS movie Broly is declared the strongest enemy, Goku had to use fusion and at the end Goku said that Broly is on par with Beerus, this is easily a mental gymnastics that Toei does every time, I don't take anything literally until I've shown some fight and won

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

?

Zamasu threatening to destroy all timelines

 

[Raskolux]

This is quite funny because in the DBS movie Broly is declared the strongest enemy, Goku had to use fusion and at the end Goku said that Broly is on par with Beerus, this is easily a mental gymnastics that Toei does every time, I don't take anything literally until I've shown some fight and won

It's not funny, the only thing it shows is that db is constantly being retconned, and the thing that broly can be of equal power to beerus is just a speculation produced by goku and clearly retconned in the manga.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

1)What I defended was already 5d hax from the very beginning, nothing more
2)I made it clear that this statement would not place jiren over beerusun "because it was retconned in the manga" but it should still be enough to put him over zamasu.

Fair enough, between the anime and manga it's kinda funny seeing statements been made about a power-up or character being near or equal to Beerus (GoDs in general) only to be disproved in the next arc.

 

[Raskolux]

Fair enough, between the anime and manga it's kinda funny seeing statements been made about a power-up or character being near or equal to Beerus (GoDs in general) only to be disproved in the next arc.

Haha, we're talking about dragon ball after all