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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Everything12 said:
More that Concept Manipulation for Dragon Ball has been argued more than a single time, to say the least.
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What do you think about the thing in Youtube? Does it seem legit? If it is it would just give possibly concept manipulation to Grand Priest who was the one who made the arena and it apparently had both space and time. But because we don't know how he did it, it would only be a possibly.
 
You do know that some companies allow people to publish whatever they want as merchandise with the only verification they doing is making sure that it doesn't damage the brand and not that its lore compliant. Especially companies and merchandise that aren't in the language of the original product.
 
Everything12 said:
You do know that some companies allow people to publish whatever they want as merchandise with the only verification they doing is making sure that it doesn't damage the brand and not that its lore compliant. Especially companies and merchandise that aren't in the language of the original product.
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Yeah which is what I feared and that it would not get accepted as valid reason for the upgrade. I would think asking in an email if the book had any involvement during making it from Shueisha, but people don't agree with that. Well it is what it is. Maybe the new series will give some more material to work with.
 
If we spent as much effort on productive CRTs then trying to prove a sticker book canon, we'd have anything accepted.
 
Why isn't the statement of the realm having no time and space by itself enough tho? It's also stated to be filled with nothingness. I mean that seems like a pretty blatant statement
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Because it doesn't say the word concept.
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I see
Serlock_Holmes said:
I mean everything disagrees to Zeno scaling, I think DDM and didn't Griffin also have doubts?
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We got the required number who accepted, DDM had doubts about low 1c timeline itself, which has nothing to do with the thread, griffin had initial doubts about Zeno because he didn't see the justification for him, it was pointed out and he accepted
 
Yeah I see ok. So it can be closed in a while and changes applied. The blog can be made referencing DT's draft and that the changes still apply to DB's cosmology and that's that.
 
Here's an analogy of what a concept is. It's a blueprint, one that isn't printed on paper but exist solely as an idea in a man's mind. That man creates houses based off that blueprint, and any time the blueprint changes he alters the house to fit that, he does that to any of the multiple houses he creates based on this blueprint.

A blueprint, while it is used as basis of the house, is not actually part of the house itself. But in this metaphor, a type 2 concept would be if someone alters or destroys all the houses based off this blueprint, then the man just changes or forgets the blueprint.

Space-time, however, is basically an invisible road on which everything moves. It's a very wide road, and a whole lot of very very small things also move on it unseen, and this road can have slopes which limit movement. Bit of a butchered metaphor and misses quite a few details, but it's the best I got and I hope it explains the difference between the things.

So the concept of space-time would be blueprint used to make this invisible road.
 
Everything12 said:
Here's an analogy of what a concept is. It's a blueprint, one that isn't printed on paper but exist solely as an idea in a man's mind. That man creates houses based off that blueprint, and any time the blueprint changes he alters the house to fit that, he does that to any of the multiple houses he creates based on this blueprint.

A blueprint, while it is used as basis of the house, is not actually part of the house itself. But in this metaphor, a type 2 concept would be if someone alters or destroys all the houses based off this blueprint, then the man just changes or forgets the blueprint.

Space-time, however, is basically an invisible road on which everything moves. It's a very wide road, and a whole lot of very very small things also move on it unseen, and this road can have slopes which limit movement. Bit of a butchered metaphor and misses quite a few details, but it's the best I got and I hope it explains the difference between the things.

So the concept of space-time would be blueprint used to make this invisible road.
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Is it solely based on Plato's ideas? Because this also seems to be just reality warping.

Also hope everything went okay during your absence.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Is it solely based on Plato's ideas? Because this also seems to be just reality warping.

Also hope everything went okay during your absence.
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Mostly Plato, it's what the wiki takes the most inspiration from and the most common idea of what a concept is among people who care enough to have some idea of this stuff but not enough that they research it extensively.

That's the secret, most abilties are reality warping if you strip away the specifics.
 
Everything12 said:
Mostly plato, it's what the wiki takes the most inspiration from and the most common idea of what a concept is among people who care enough to have some idea or this stuff but not enough that they research it extensively.

That's the secret, most abilties are reality warping if you strip away the specifics.
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How much more extensively can you research it?

So like changing reality to make air blue and changing the concept of air to make it blue are pretty much one and the same.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
How much more extensively can you research it?

So like changing reality to make air blue and changing the concept of air to make it blue are pretty much one and the same.
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Extensively enough that I can't give an answer to that.

On the surface level, yes. On the nitty-gritty unseen level, there is difference. Especially on that part where changing the blueprint of the house changes all the houses. Plus just changing the air won't change the blueprint itself, not unless it's a type 2 concept and you change all the air blue (and them theirs the question what classifies as air under said blueprint, and all those fun philosophy questions)
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
How much more extensively can you research it?

So like changing reality to make air blue and changing the concept of air to make it blue are pretty much one and the same.
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no, since changing a concept would affect all things blue in general, while affecting reality only affects that part of reality. It's hard to explain but erasing time would only affect what was erased, while affecting the CONCEPT of time would affect all lower concepts coming from the concept of time such as clocks, speed ext
 
Can't we just make a CRT to confirm if the encyclopedia can be used while listing out the facts?

worst case scenario, mods vote no
 
Yeah, my analogy was leaving out the part where a blueprint of a house also include things, like the bathroom, garden, furniture, and all those other things, and it can get very complicated and specific and wasn't too essential to differentiating between space-time and concepts.
 
Not worth it. You have a mod right here that voted no. I see no meaning in that. I mean you can do that. I just feel it's a waste of time.
Everything12 said:
Extensively enough that I can't give an answer to that.

On the surface level, yes. On the nitty-gritty unseen level, there is difference. Especially on that part where changing the blueprint of the house changes all the houses. Plus just changing the air won't change the blueprint itself, not unless it's a type 2 concept and you change all the air blue (and them theirs the question what classifies as air under said blueprint, and all those fun philosophy questions)
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Lord_Farquaad69420 said:
no, since changing a concept would affect all things blue in general, while affecting reality only affects that part of reality. It's hard to explain but erasing time would only affect what was erased, while affecting the CONCEPT of time would affect all lower concepts coming from the concept of time such as clocks, speed ext
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Ok thanks for the info. I will just stick to my fighting manga and the tier 1 novels.
 
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