All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[RedReaper616]

i mean, in the manga it's like verbatim stated, and im pretty sure zeno being above GP was like authority.

No, I already covered this pages ago. When people refer to Zeno’s power and his relevance to others, it’s specifically the fact he’s an unkillable god being that can erase ANYTHING—No exceptions.

He is the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE. This is reiterated several times.

HOWEVER, as stated by Beerus and Whis, he is not a FIGHTER. He is not fast or strong in the conventional sense, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. We see this quite clearly in the ToP, where he was a non-combatant who couldn’t observe the fights, and relied on a keyed up IPad. He cannot hit hard, fire lasers, or move quickly, but he is still the most powerful.

That quite literally means that when Whis said his father was the “most powerful” he meant as a conventional fighter.

This is further established when they talk about Ultra Instinct—Goku’s at the bottom of the latter, Whis is higher, and his father above him. Simply put—The Grand Priest is the best fighter/warrior. The Omni King is the most powerful creature.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

i just wanted to point this out.

It wont let me open it for some reason I dunno why

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

About time room, does it exist in the manga?

It's cited in the daizenshuu, if that's helpful.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I'm happy this thread got traction at least.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Anime-only.

 

[Nierre]

i open up this page and my laptop asks me if i want to translate this page from chinese to english

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Anyone in Raw of this scene?

Because honestly, I found 3 translations that each say something completely different.

And this scan used on the cosmology blog has very poor quality.


Chapter 474 for you to know.

Why didn't anyone use Trunks' mention? Mine, it literally tells different stories generates dift time flow

 

[Everything12]

i open up this page and my laptop asks me if i want to translate this page from chinese to english

That would be NullFlowerblush's post being quoted.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

It's cited in the daizenshuu, if that's helpful.

Daizenshuu is a guide for both anime and manga, so it would include information from both

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.

It was actually accepted
But then the very same day a downgrade thread on arale happened and then he lost it

Not sure how it'll okay out now tho

No, I already covered this pages ago. When people refer to Zeno’s power and his relevance to others, it’s specifically the fact he’s an unkillable god being that can erase ANYTHING—No exceptions.

He is the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE. This is reiterated several times.

HOWEVER, as stated by Beerus and Whis, he is not a FIGHTER. He is not fast or strong in the conventional sense, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. We see this quite clearly in the ToP, where he was a non-combatant who couldn’t observe the fights, and relied on a keyed up IPad. He cannot hit hard, fire lasers, or move quickly, but he is still the most powerful.

That quite literally means that when Whis said his father was the “most powerful” he meant as a conventional fighter.

This is further established when they talk about Ultra Instinct—Goku’s at the bottom of the latter, Whis is higher, and his father above him. Simply put—The Grand Priest is the best fighter/warrior. The Omni King is the most powerful creature.

First off, it is the default assumption that Zeno, like everything and their mothers in dragon ball, uses ki, not sure why there would be an assumption that he doesn't use it too, his abilities may simply ignore any strengths or weaknesses one has while erasing, but to say he doesn't have it use ki is a reach that needs explicit proof

Secondly, "cannot hit hard" to a guy that was finger flicking planets to oblivion with chess?


As to the GP vs Zeno thing
Pretty sure future Zeno nuked both the GP as everyone else in the timelines either way, as he was all alone that Goku brought him to his own timeline

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That's true, Beerus will probably get his EE Low 1-C back, at least possibly.

I think this should be one of the first crts that should be made after 5D.

Not to necessarily level up beerus, but at least discuss the achievement.

Whether it will be valid or not.
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Because unlike Daishinkan or Hit where we are more speculating and just trying to find loopholes because it's fun to cook, beerus is something that has already happened.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

My honest opinion on this discussion

 

[Nullflowerblush]

what the **** does that mean

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

what the **** does that mean

goku beats fiction

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I still want Ranfan.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

My honest opinion on this discussion

What happened after he tried that:

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

What happened after he tried that:

Kinda hot ngl.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

That's true, Beerus will probably get his EE Low 1-C back, at least possibly.

I think this should be one of the first crts that should be made after 5D.

Not to necessarily level up beerus, but at least discuss the achievement.

Whether it will be valid or not.

Even if it's accepted, which I doubt it will, it'll be shafted as hax and won't scale to his AP or stats either way as it's far above his normal AP,
but I am actually more interested in his resistance of arale's hax, as it was blatantly stated that her gag abilities won't work on him, that's an explicit feat and I'd assume it's a lot easier to give him a resistance than 5D erasure

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Because unlike Daishinkan or Hit where we are more speculating and just trying to find loopholes because it's fun to cook, beerus is something that has already happened.

Daishinkan isn't much of a speculation tbh, if the guide book indeed matches the statement that the concept of time and space didn't exist, then the only outcome is that he introduced then into it (assuming people aren't convinced about the statement from the manga/anime ofcourse)

As for hit, I have no interest in giving him 5d time hax tbh, especially since all he showed was normal time skip, he's just a bait for Whis and co, because their abilities directly affect the time axis if they rewind by more than 3 mins or so it several times in succession, so unlike hit, they significantly affect the temporal axis. So either they affect the axis of the universe, solidifying the presence of 2 distinct temporal zones OR it affects the axis of the hypertimeline

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The problem with the guidebook is nothing regarding how canon it is.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Even if it's accepted, which I doubt it will, it'll be shafted as hax and won't scale to his AP or stats either way as it's far above his normal AP,
but I am actually more interested in his resistance of arale's hax, as it was blatantly stated that her gag abilities won't work on him, that's an explicit feat and I'd assume it's a lot easier to give him a resistance than 5D erasure

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And when did I say it would be for AP or statistics?

I just said hax.

Are you okay man?

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

The problem with the guidebook is nothing regarding how canon it is.

Was it licenced by shueisha?

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And when did I say it would be for AP or statistics?

I just said hax.

Are you okay man?

Never said you did, was just clarifying. Gonna ignore that last line tho

 

[RedReaper616]

First off, it is the default assumption that Zeno, like everything and their mothers in dragon ball, uses ki, not sure why there would be an assumption that he doesn't use it too, his abilities may simply ignore any strengths or weaknesses one has while erasing, but to say he doesn't have it use ki is a reach that needs explicit proof

No. We see very many times that the Gods have unique powers unrelated to Ki. Creating time spaces, moving throughout time, rewinding time, their physiology allowing instinctive dodging, etc. It’s not at all a reach or grasp to suggest that Zeno is also like this.

But also, Zeno obviously has Ki. That’s not in question. What is, is trying to scale Zeno’s perception, physicals, etc. to his hax ability.

Secondly, "cannot hit hard" to a guy that was finger flicking planets to oblivion with chess?

That wasn’t at all based on any known physical output, because they were turned into Chess Pieces. (Doubly so in the Manga, where the Chess Pieces are the actual universes.) But even if we assumed it WAS the case, planetary is…absolutely nothing in comparison to what we’re describing here. This is a series where people were born out the womb with the capacity to destroy stars and still be fodder. Zeno having planetary physical capacity would still not prove his physicals scale to his timeline nuking hax.

As to the GP vs Zeno thing
Pretty sure future Zeno nuked both the GP as everyone else in the timelines either way, as he was all alone that Goku brought him to his own timeline

That’s a great point! Should put the whole discussion to bed, then.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Was it licenced by shueisha?

I don't know about that. Was it?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

That’s a great point! Should put the whole discussion to bed, then.

That's what I have been saying. Noone cared though .

 

[Electronic74947]

The Zeno vs grand protest debate is just peak human vs an atomic bomb really, one side has literally all but one thing, the sheer ability to destroy the person

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Was it licenced by shueisha?

i mean so was the anime adventure game

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

i mean so was the anime adventure game

I mean that's totally different providing info on certain events. If it's canon if Should clear up the cm stuff.

 

[Padaruyos]

Do we have enough votes on the DB application thread?

 

[JirensMom]

Do we have enough votes on the DB application thread?

Yeah but we have to wait one more day

 

[Padaruyos]

What did Georr post?

I dunno but whatever he did got his ass reported to the RvR.

 

[Tyranno223]

I dunno but whatever he did got his ass reported to the RvR.

Pretty sure they were told to stop discussing that since the matter was already settled with a warning. Seems to be defending himself again.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Pretty sure they were told to stop discussing that since the matter was already settled with a warning. Seems to be defending himself again.

Yeah go see what he posted in RvR.

 

[TiltedFN]

Tomorrow at what time?

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

i mean so was the anime adventure game

True, that's why something being licensed doesn't make it canon. If it's for an official product, like a game, then it should be expected to be licensed regardless of it's canonicity.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

True, that's why something being licensed doesn't make it canon. If it's for an official product, like a game, then it should be expected to be licensed regardless of it's canonicity.

Sup. Also we know the game most likely isn't canon. A book giving more info about the events and being licensed is way more easily canon though.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Sup. Also we know the game most likely isn't canon. A book giving more info about the events and being licensed is way more easily canon though.

If the book is about the game, like the example Null used, then we shouldn't use it, otherwise, fair, yes

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

If the book is about the game, like the example Null used, then we shouldn't use it, otherwise, fair, yes

I think it's a sticker book. Collecting characters from ToP. Don't Quote me on that though. I might search a little bit.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I think it's a sticker book. Collecting characters from ToP. Don't Quote me on that though. I might search a little bit.

Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Torneo de la Fuerza» | Big Bang Copag

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Yes.

Sorta like the El Manga Legendario in a way.
Except, unlike the El Manga Legendario, I cannot seem to find any evidence that Shueisha produced the text for this book.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Torneo de la Fuerza» | Big Bang Copag

Comprar + Vista Rápida Álbum "Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super" Álbum «Enciclopedia Dragon Ball Super – Del torneo de la Fuerza» $2.400 "En el día 3.135.500.603 del calendario real, a la hora 157, 10 guerreros elegidos por cada universo, participarán en el torneo de la fuerza. En este torneo, que...

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Yes.

Sorta like the El Manga Legendario in a way.
Except, unlike the El Manga Legendario, I cannot seem to find any evidence that Shueisha produced the text for this book.

Cries in dubious canonicity.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Cries in dubious canonicity.

Wait until you see that bad quality scan from a "official" Dragon Ball Heroes website