All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Serlock_Holmes]

It's none of these.

That's kinda weird considering his effects were seen in a different timeline which is now separate b a 5-D structure.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yes (at least from what i know)

I think Heaven is much bigger, but better hear it from someone else.

 

[TiltedFN]

Honestly, manga grand priest is verbatim stated to be above zeno. And it was implied in the anime that grand priest AND zeno would erase goku if he tried to cancel the tourney.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Honestly, manga grand priest is verbatim stated to be above zeno. And it was implied in the anime that grand priest AND zeno would erase goku if he tried to cancel the tourney.

You can try something for manga. But even then it would be a likely. The anime has nothing though. Also I still stand by IZ having at least possibly low 1-c range and durability. Also Zeno killed Grand Priest in the future possibly so eh too shaky. I'm against it personally.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's a shame this isn't accepted, even though he's talking about Toei

 

[TiltedFN]

Anyways, i'm done discussing who scales, imma save it for the crt and focus on this actually passing and being applied first.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

That's kinda weird considering his effects were seen in a different timeline which is now separate b a 5-D structure.

Unfortunately doesn't matter, the feat is partial, and so doesn't warrant any kind of upgrade.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Unfortunately doesn't matter, the feat is partial, and so doesn't warrant any kind of upgrade.

Still seems weird to me, but ok.

 

[Magicomethkuon]

I agree that all others are a logical leap, but an argument could be made that range is real. He was already showing signs in the other timeline moments before Zeno did the Thanos trend. So the feat of reaching things across different 5-D space is there, and would have grown if not for his sudden demise.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Honestly, manga grand priest is verbatim stated to be above zeno. And it was implied in the anime that grand priest AND zeno would erase goku if he tried to cancel the tourney.

When was manga GP said to be above zeno? He was called the strongest fighter iirc

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

It's a shame this isn't accepted, even though he's talking about Toei

Umm isn't this important if it's legit?

I agree that all others are a logical leap, but an argument could be made that range is real. He was already showing signs in the other timeline moments before Zeno did the Thanos trend. So the feat of reaching things across different 5-D space is there, and would have grown if not for his sudden demise.

Maybe there is no proof he would have breached all of it? Though between us considering everyone were ******** themselves it's evident he would have moved everywhere had he already started (dude wouldn't even be base low 1-c in the end). And considering you would need to destroy a 5-D construct that's why I mentioned Dura.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Umm isn't this important if it's legit?

But yeah, I have a link here

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I think Heaven is much bigger, but better hear it from someone else.

I think VSBW considers Heaven to be a Universal sized structure

It's a shame this isn't accepted, even though he's talking about Toei

Didn't Koyama said that his statements were just opinions?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Unfortunately doesn't matter, the feat is partial, and so doesn't warrant any kind of upgrade.

Shouldn't matter if its partial tho, if he crossed an entire timeline completely and started entering another one, it should automatically gives him that range, partial just means he didn't fully enter the other one, but he had to cross his own timeline first before entering another. Basically he left his hoise and was stopped at the door of another person's house ..he still left his house


My opinion tho, for range anyway
Durability would require proof that he fully became the timeline,

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Ssjryu was a ******* prophet man

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Didn't Koyama say that his statements weren't just opinions?

This was before people actually peppered him with questions about cosmology, like 7D stuff and stuff

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The so-called hell is the fourth-dimensional world. Including the universe, it is infinite.

The translation.

 

[JirensMom]

When was manga GP said to be above zeno? He was called the strongest fighter iirc

Shady translation I found.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The so-called hell is the fourth-dimensional world. Including the universe, it is infinite.

The translation.

It really serves as further proof that the universe is infinite, with other evidence of course.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Of course there is evidence. With so many infinitely expaning, endless darkness and such statements any other verse would have already become infinite.

 

[Quantu]

Koyama being a waffler aside, most of his responses are clearly to leading questions of varying degree and so would be discarded anyway.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Koyama being a waffler aside, most of his responses are clearly to leading questions of varying degree and so would be discarded anyway.

Waffler means crazy?

Also yeah better wait for Daima.

Spoiler

Though there are statements

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Koyama being a waffler aside, most of his responses are clearly to leading questions of varying degree and so would be discarded anyway.

This line about Koyama is by no means disposable, he has full knowledge about this, and he responded according to what the work shows, there are several proofs of the infinite universe

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Even though IZ doesn't scale, it should definitely have a Low 1-C range, not least because it eventually covers the entire timeline.

But because he managed to go to another timeline.

He dominated universe 7 of Future Trunks' timeline and even before dominating that entire timeline, he was already appearing in universe 7 of the main timeline.

He reached another timeline, that would be enough.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Shouldn't matter if its partial tho, if he crossed an entire timeline completely and started entering another one, it should automatically gives him that range, partial just means he didn't fully enter the other one, but he had to cross his own timeline first before entering another. Basically he left his hoise and was stopped at the door of another person's house ..he still left his house

Doesn't work like that. It's why 4D destruction but on a 5-B scale is not Low 2-C.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Even though IZ doesn't scale, it should definitely have a Low 1-C range, not least because it eventually covers the entire timeline.

But because he managed to go to another timeline.

He dominated universe 7 of Future Trunks' timeline and even before dominating that entire timeline, he was already appearing in universe 7 of the main timeline.

He reached another timeline, that would be enough.

Wouldn't killing him require to affect 5-D space at least?

Also let's drop the size. Daima is coming.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Wouldn't killing him require to affect 5-D space at least?

Let's just leave IZ aside for now.

Wait for the crt to pass.

Make Zeno and DBH tier 1.

And then when everything has cooled down, let's see with IZ.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I'm excited for Daima but I'm not excited enough to wait a full year in a good mood

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Yeah I mean even not doing anything is fine. A whole new series is coming anyways.

 

[Lawyerr]

Well after reading the thread and CRT i'm still confused.

Before I start saying Tier 1 Dragonball, I want to fully understand it in the way I could explain it to my grandma.

I thought an infinite amount of universes existing in a higher spatial dimension is considered 5D. Destroying said higher dimension would be tier 1. Why are twelve macrocosms with all different temporal axis existing in a timeline considered tier 1? Is it because the timeline is a higher spatial dimension that can contain different temporal axis, regardless of how many universes fit in the timeline?

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Doesn't work like that. It's why 4D destruction but on a 5-B scale is not Low 2-C.

DC and Range are different. And for what it's worth, IZ did do the whole feat (crossed from one Higher Timeline composed of the 12 Universes to another Higher Timeline with its own 12 Universes).

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I'm excited for Daima but I'm not excited enough to wait a full year in a good mood

I was thinking January for some reason....

 

[Quantu]

This line about Koyama is by no means disposable, he has full knowledge about this, and he responded according to what the work shows, there are several proofs of the infinite universe

I'm not talking about infinite universes or whatever, I'm speaking broadly.

Also he is responding to a question asking if hell is infinite, a leading question, a fan question, after stating his stuff to be opinions, you can see why I'm sceptical.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It looks like it's pretty bad ;-;

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Shady translation I found.

I must have misremembered, then again, zeno deleted everyone and their mothers on his timeline, maybe zeno isn't necessarily "strong", just that he has anauto delete button

Doesn't work like that. It's why 4D destruction but on a 5-B scale is not Low 2-C.

I am not talking of destruction tho. One question, if you fire a blast and it travels crosses your universal space time entirely, would it not give low 2c ange?,

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

DC and Range are different. And for what it's worth, IZ did do the whole feat (crossed from one Higher Timeline composed of the 12 Universes to another Higher Timeline with its own 12 Universes).

And also the supposed Void that Black I think mentioned.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Of course there is evidence. With so many infinitely expaning, endless darkness and such statements any other verse would have already become infinite.

There isn’t a single infinitely expanding statement it was a mistranslation it was always used hirogeru which means it spread/cover/extends that distance

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

DC and Range are different. And for what it's worth, IZ did do the whole feat (crossed from one Higher Timeline composed of the 12 Universes to another Higher Timeline with its own 12 Universes).

it might work then,for range only.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

In DBH, guys can destroy infinite timelines, right? Hence 2-A.

But what about when each timeline turns Low 1-C? Power to destroy infinite Low 1-C structures.

Would that make them infinitely above the Low 1-C baseline?

Dude, this is

This would kind of make goku fart and kill kratos. lol