[MCU] Thor: Love and Thunder

[Gasper]

This is the real Kenneth Branagh director’s commentary to Thor 1.

https://mega.nz/file/bAN0AKhD#_GGK_0fhbUuyUrjBvIqybPG7oC3dGvpwvMQWbI_ftbE

He identifies himself at timestamp 0:18 and he says the following at timestamp 1:36:36:

“Two brothers whose conflict now is potentially liable to see the destruction of part or all of the universe but certainly Jotunheim.”

This is most likely referring to stuff like the nine realms being galaxy or universal in size which was shown in some books for MCU but where abandoned.

 

[Gasper]

I am responding to a move to remove "possibly star level" based on a VFX artist statement that directly contradicts onscreen visuals. VS Battles otherwise uses VXF artist statements when they support onscreen visuals or do not directly contradict onscreen visuals. Doing this becomes detached from the reality of the movie.

But nothing on screen indicates gorr did that at all.

 

[Eseseso]

Agree with the removal

 

[ParkerKent007]

But nothing on screen indicates gorr did that at all.

Actually, yes it does:

Thor and team say they might be entering a trap in the Shadow Realm. The stars begin stationary then start moving as they get closer. In space, Gorr needs light from the sun and other stars to create shadow monsters. And these scenes show the stars change speed and direction at the same time as Gorr's movements:



Stars very slowly move upward after Thor shatters the surface of the moon, Gorr stabs his sword into the moon, then stars quickly move downward, speeding up.



Stars moving up when Gorr stabs Valkyrie, stars stop moving as Thor moves forward, stars move down when Gorr drops Valkyrie. Gorr does not change the direction of his body, so the stars definitely change direction here.

 

[Gasper]

Actually, yes it does:

Thor and team say they might be entering a trap in the Shadow Realm. The stars begin stationary then start moving as they get closer. In space, Gorr needs light from the sun and other stars to create shadows. And these scenes show the stars change speed and direction at the same time as Gorr's movements:



Stars very slowly move upward after Thor shatters the surface of the moon, Gorr stabs his sword into the moon, then stars quickly move downward, speeding up.



Stars moving up when Gorr stabs Valkyrie, stars stop moving as Thor moves forward, stars move down when Gorr drops Valkyrie. Gorr does not change the direction of his body, so the stars definitely change direction here.

All of this is just speculation.

 

[ParkerKent007]

All of this is just speculation.

It supports "possibly star level." We see the sun and other stars clearly moving, we know Gorr needs the light to create monsters, we know moving the light moves the shadows and increases his ability to create monsters in different places at will, we know Gorr can kill gods who do move stars, we know Thor and crew expected a trap in the Shadow Realm, we know the stars change speed and direction at the same time as Gorr's movements. That is "possibly star level."

But more importantly, we also know Gorr moved the sun and moon to the center of the universe in Eternity's Realm, because the audio decription says so:





We know this because the very previous scene is Thor and Valkyrie discussing directions to Eternity at the center of the universe, so Thor would not get lost. This discussion would be unnecessary if the previous position of the star and moon of the Shadow Realm had already been at the Gate of Eternity in the center of the universe, since Thor already knew how to reach the moon of the Shadow Realm and in fact had just been there a few minutes ago onscreen.

All supports "possibly star level."

 

[ParkerKent007]

By the way, I never see anyone address this here. This feat alone should put Thor at possibly star level:

He got hurled MFTL past stars in seconds, outside the Bifrost and before the Sakaar wormhole, effectively tanking an infinite mass punch:



We literally see him moving past stars at MFTL speed. He has no physical protection. He is moving in the opposite direction that the Bifrost took Hela, because she looked down at him as she moved past him. The Bifrost shards, which in this movie decapitated a dragon, bash Thor's head and arms. So we see the impact, and change of direction, and speed past stars each of which were light years away from each other. He also has not yet entered the Sakaar wormhole.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

By the way, I never see anyone address this here. This feat alone should put Thor at possibly star level:

He got hurled MFTL past stars in seconds, outside the Bifrost and before the Sakaar wormhole, effectively tanking an infinite mass punch:



We literally see him moving past stars at MFTL speed. He has no physical protection. He is moving in the opposite direction that the Bifrost took Hela, because she looked down at him as she moved past him. The Bifrost shards, which in this movie decapitated a dragon, bash Thor's head and arms. So we see the impact, and change of direction, and speed past stars each of which were light years away from each other. He also has not yet entered the Sakaar wormhole.

Speeding past stars =/= Star level

 

[ParkerKent007]

Speeding past stars =/= Star level

Thor does not have anti-grav tech on his body like a spaceship. He does not have a Space Stone energy aura like Captain Marvel. It's just his body. Hulk tossing a boulder so fast it exploded shows MCU physics factor in damage to physical objects caused by speed and gravity. MCU did not even have faster than light space ship travel until the Space Stone created the light speed engine. Those Kree portals are gateways, not raw speed. Thor's body is tanking what requires either anti-gravs or Space Stone energy to accomplish.

 

[Dereck03]

Removal seems fine basing on the OP's reasons.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I always thought the "star" thing was iffy, but it being a moon makes more sense I guess.

So removing it is fine.

As for Parker the universal stuff would be a franchise wide CRT and wouldn't be covered in this.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I agree with removing this feat.

 

[Dalesean027]

Star level thor goons are in shambles rn

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

By the way, I never see anyone address this here. This feat alone should put Thor at possibly star level:

He got hurled MFTL past stars in seconds, outside the Bifrost and before the Sakaar wormhole, effectively tanking an infinite mass punch:



We literally see him moving past stars at MFTL speed. He has no physical protection. He is moving in the opposite direction that the Bifrost took Hela, because she looked down at him as she moved past him. The Bifrost shards, which in this movie decapitated a dragon, bash Thor's head and arms. So we see the impact, and change of direction, and speed past stars each of which were light years away from each other. He also has not yet entered the Sakaar wormhole.

Moving at MFTL speeds does not grant any kind of AP unless the MCU follows irl physics like lightspeed = High 3-A like DC Comics does. The MCU follows no such thing.

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Damn I had matches planned with Thor

Agree, sadly.

 

[Lacku]

Does this have enough votes to be added yet?

 

[Armorchompy]

Also agreeing with OP. Feat was kind of sus at the best of times.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Does this have enough votes to be added yet?

It's got more than enough votes if I'm not wrong. Just waiting for the 48-hour-grace period to be up

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The changes were applied, so this can be closed.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ok