Goku vs Sonic agan (Grace finished)

[Brogeefrong]

That rule just count to characters who could help in the fight, like, Vegeta appears out nowhere to help Goku in fighting Sonic 2v1 him. The exception would be if the power of the character relies on a third person, they could that power. Since the person Goku is telerporting would not directly help him in the fight, he can teleport to them.
Is in the rules;

Fight is at the top, where its a big ol empty void

 

[omegabronic]

That rule just count to characters who could help in the fight, like, Vegeta appears out nowhere to help Goku in fighting Sonic 2v1 him. The exception would be if the power of the character relies on a third person, they could that power. Since the person Goku is telerporting would not directly help him in the fight, he can teleport to them.

nope:
Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way.
the rule makes it clear, no outside influence outside of the ones in the battle

Is in the rules;

read the rules and Goku's IT does not fall under the exeptions, since it doesn't depend on other person to be used, Sonic being there with Ki would be the person he needs to use it, he just wouldn't be able to IT away from the battlefield however, so no, no outside help for goku here at all

If, i really don't taking acount about Goku wanting killing Sonic right away. Not that really matters, since any of his attacks would kill Sonic right away;

my dude, again, why would goku, who can feel that Sonic is very much weaker than him, go for the kill instead of trying to knock him out first? do you honestly believe that Goku can't hold back at all? please, you are saying as if goku is an idiot who doesn't know his own strenght

Considering that Super Sonic is restricted, i doubt it would.

Super Sonic doesn't matter for this point at all

And Goku can just do it again.

it would take a miracle for him to do it once, now that sonic is aware of his shenanigans he would go for his more haxy wincons quicker

Or take the emeralds when they about to wake Sonic, they start floating when they heal him;

take them and put where? the moment Sonic wakes up he uses his amps to blitz and take the emeralds back from goku again, taking them would do Goku no good at all

Why you say first of all, and then not continue with second of all?

because

Anyway, Sonic don't really do any of this methods to dodge attacks In-Character.

he very much does, have you not read the profile at all? Sonic specializes in out maneuver and dodging techniques at high speeds

If Goku uses a Kiai in close range, he would get Sonic, because the attack is coming from a unexpected place, being Goku eyes;

and Sonic would instantly know of it due to his several danger senses, aka he would dodge it easily enough

And Goku just gonna stand still?

obviously not, he would try to fight or knock sonic out, but as i have said numerous times, to even hit Sonic would be a very difficult task, Sonic's amps allow him to blitz people enough to see them in slow motion, Sonic would be able to hit Goku numerous times before he would even realize what is going on

Also, why he would result to that immediatily?

when have i said "imediatly" he would notice that none of his usual attack methods are working, therefore he goes for his hax to win, that is basic logic dude, why are you surprised that a character is using their haxes in a fight?

Like, if Sonic hit don't work, he most likely would try to punch him harder.
You saying he would try using his hax because one hit din't work, what?

Strawman, i have never said so

Not before Goku strikes him away. Like this;

in the time it takes for goku to even put one of these energy balls, sonic would be gone via all the stuff i have already said, even worse, if he uses one of his wisps to absorb/deconstruct the attack, goku would die immediatly, what you showed is nowhere near fast enough to catch someone more than 4x faster than the oponent in reaction speed, Goku is simply not quick enough to do what you are describing

No not really, he could probally think Goku have a absurd defense, but not so much striking strenght. Without testing, he can't exactly assume that all his attacks can One-Shot him.

Sonic is a very experienced fighter, in all fights he has been, that was the case, higher defense = higher attack, there is no reason for him to assume otherwise here, to say that it is would require much of headcanon of how Sonic fights

And yeah, he dodges with his speed, what i arguing originally why he would use Chaos Control to dodge Goku attacks, since
1-He hardly uses to dodge attacks

he does int he very clip i showed you

2-He just to teleport away once in a life threating situation, which he have no real reason to think Goku can kill him in one strike.

the fact that he is so strong that none of his attacks can harm him? and no, Sonic uses an spams the thing in a fight to dodge things that would harm him, like the obstacles in Sonic adventure 2, so please tell me where you got that "he would only use in a life threatening situation and nowhere else" when nothing of such as been shown

I agree he would dodge with speed, not really with Chaos control;

that is exactly what he does in the clip i showed you, but ok

I not seeing High Mid regeneration on Sonic profile;

you do know i have been using the word "healing" and "regenerating" here right? Sonic Heal, search for it

 

[Fezzih_007]

Fight is at the top, where its a big ol empty void

Wow, i forgot.

Omega does have a talent for making me forget stuff.

 

[Brogeefrong]

maybe might bump goku to post omen 2 and restricted him up to just blue

 

[omegabronic]

Omega does have a talent for making me forget stuff.

 

[Brogeefrong]

So would anything change if I just used Post Omen 2 Blue (No Kaioken) Goku who's 59 Octillion c, which means he's faster then Sonic in speed, cause i want this to be as fair as possible

 

[XxZetsuxX]

So would anything change if I just used Post Omen 2 Blue Goku who's 59 Octillion c, which means he's faster then Sonic in speed, cause i want this to be as fair as possible

This is fine as is though, He already has speed advantage

 

[omegabronic]

So would anything change if I just used Post Omen 2 Blue (No Kaioken) Goku who's 59 Octillion c, which means he's faster then Sonic in speed, cause i want this to be as fair as possible

the way it is now is far enough

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Btw i forgot to vote, I will vote on Sonic FRA

 

[Brogeefrong]

This is fine as is though, He already has speed advantage

Only as Blue Kaioken 20x, rn he starts as ssjg whos slower then sonic without any boost, and im thinking of making him Post Omen 2 and start in Blue so he always has a slight travel speed advantage to sonic

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Only as Blue Kaioken 20x, rn he starts as ssjg whos slower then sonic without any boost, and im thinking of making him Post Omen 2 and start in Blue so he always has a slight travel speed advantage to sonic

Goku will adapt just fine, He will soon realise he must transform to SSJB or UI to keep up with Sonic

Sonic doesn't one shot him

 

[Brogeefrong]

Goku will adapt just fine, He will soon realise he must transform to SSJB or UI to keep up with Sonic

Sonic doesn't one shot him

cant transform into ui

 

[XxZetsuxX]

cant transform into ui

SSJBKK20 though

 

[Brogeefrong]

SSJBKK20 though

for what I remember he can't hold onto it for that long

 

[XxZetsuxX]

for what I remember he can't hold onto it for that long

He will eventually adapt as he did with Hit

 

[Brogeefrong]

Also counted

Btw i forgot to vote, I will vote on Sonic FRA

 

[omegabronic]

for what I remember he can't hold onto it for that long

he can hold for as long as he wants in this key

 

[XxZetsuxX]

he can hold for as long as he wants in this key

I don't think so, Kaioken is a technique that strains the body, Goku barely has used it after getting his ssj forms and has not trained it for a long time, So i don't think he can that well

For a long time? Sure, As much as he wants? Don't think so

 

[Brogeefrong]

Post Omen 2 Just makes his SSJG faster, and SSJB = SSJBKK20x Pre Omen 2

 

[omegabronic]

Post Omen 2 Just makes his SSJG faster, and SSJB = SSJBKK20x Pre Omen 2

and then makes Goku just blitz with SSJBKK20x and UI, which would make thing unfair seen the power disadvantage here

 

[Brogeefrong]

and then makes Goku just blitz with SSJBKK20x and UI, which would make thing unfair seen the power disadvantage here

i can just restrict them

 

[XxZetsuxX]

i can just restrict them

Don't change the rules too much, I had my share with admins because of it

 

[Fezzih_007]

nope:
Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way.
the rule makes it clear, no outside influence outside of the ones in the battle

read the rules and Goku's IT does not fall under the exeptions, since it doesn't depend on other person to be used, Sonic being there with Ki would be the person he needs to use it, he just wouldn't be able to IT away from the battlefield however, so no, no outside help for goku here at all

That don't really matter anymore, because they fighting on the tournament of power arena, so i not gonna argue.

my dude, again, why would goku, who can feel that Sonic is very much weaker than him, go for the kill instead of trying to knock him out first? do you honestly believe that Goku can't hold back at all?

Meu bem, he start in SSG in this fight, one of his strongest form, him holding back to not kill Sonic is Impossible, any of hits gonna kill Sonic.

please, you are saying as if goku is an idiot who doesn't know his own strenght

Yes.

Super Sonic doesn't matter for this point at all

The justification for healing don't make any sense now that i seeing.

it would take a miracle for him to do it once,

Since Goku becames faster than Sonic when he uses SSJB K or Omen, he could do It again.

take them and put where?

He can literally just trow them in the void.

because

Makes sense.

he very much does, have you not read the profile at all? Sonic specializes in out maneuver and dodging techniques at high speeds

Looks like i also make Omega forget stuff.
Meu senhor, i arguing that he don't spam Chaos Control to dodge attacks, i not arguing he don't have incredible mobility. If i as, i would go to the hospital myself.

and Sonic would instantly know of it due to his several danger senses, aka he would dodge it easily enough

He would know a attack coming from Goku eyes, because of danger sense?

obviously not, he would try to fight or knock sonic out, but as i have said numerous times, to even hit Sonic would be a very difficult task, Sonic's amps allow him to blitz people enough to see them in slow motion, Sonic would be able to hit Goku numerous times before he would even realize what is going on

If that happens, Goku would use a Explosive wave to blow Sonic away.
Not like he never get blitzed before.

when have i said "imediatly" he would notice that none of his usual attack methods are working, therefore he goes for his hax to win, that is basic logic dude, why are you surprised that a character is using their haxes in a fight?


Strawman, i have never said so

they will not be engadging in close combat, in the first hit Sonic will notic how he can't harm him conventionaly, and then would most likely experiment with his haxes

in the time it takes for goku to even put one of these energy balls, sonic would be gone via all the stuff i have already said, even worse, if he uses one of his wisps to absorb/deconstruct the attack, goku would die immediatly, what you showed is nowhere near fast enough to catch someone more than 4x faster than the oponent in reaction speed, Goku is simply not quick enough to do what you are describing

He literally just need to Blast him in close range, i don't see how that not fast enough.

Sonic is a very experienced fighter, in all fights he has been, that was the case, higher defense = higher attack,

In which fight he goes "He can no-sell my attacks = He can One-Shot me"?

he does int he very clip i showed you

In one instance, yeah.

the fact that he is so strong that none of his attacks can harm him?

That don't mean Goku can kill him in one strike, no.

and no, Sonic uses an spams the thing in a fight to dodge things that would harm him,

When he spam chaos Control to dodge things? That's what i want to know.

you do know i have been using the word "healing" and "regenerating" here right? Sonic Heal, search for it

Your response for me about Goku giving one punch on Sonic, and exploding him is he would heal.
How he would heal If he gets his body destroyed with one punch for Goku?

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

i can just restrict them

VS thread rules say hi.

• It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment.
• An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added.
• The match can also be added if Optional Equipments such as optional power-ups and items are restricted, or if the ability being restricted is indexed after a "Likely" or "Possibly" conditional.

 

[Brogeefrong]

VS thread rules say hi.

Pretty sure Goku can consciously restrict himself from transforming, and you can restrict characters from transforming aswell

 

[Fezzih_007]

Pretty sure Goku can consciously restrict himself from transforming,

Why would be trought? Sonic is blitz him, he would transform to get faster, and cacht up.

and you can restrict characters from transforming aswell

Only If the transformation grant a New tier.

 

[Brogeefrong]

well shucks

 

[omegabronic]

That don't really matter anymore, because they fighting on the tournament of power arena, so i not gonna argue.

ok

Meu bem

brasil brilha

he start in SSG in this fight, one of his strongest form, him holding back to not kill Sonic is Impossible

it is very much possible, he hold back enough to not kill krillin while he was in Blue, what you are saying is simply not true

, any of hits gonna kill Sonic.

no, goku can hold back to NOT do that, stop treating Goku like an idiot murder who doesn't know his own strenght

Yes.

that is wrong in so many fundamental levels

The justification for healing don't make any sense now that i seeing.

it does very much

Since Goku becames faster than Sonic when he uses SSJB K or Omen, he could do It again.

4x reaction speed, Sonic would still be faster in reactions for him to dodge, plus Sonic's AD would allow him to quickly grow to Goku's level and and then above it, Classic Sonic went from ftl to mflt+ in a short ammount of time for example

He can literally just trow them in the void.

for them to fly back to Sonic immediatly after? or better yet, for Sonic to just jump after them, grab, and then Chaos Control back

Looks like i also make Omega forget stuff.
Meu senhor, i arguing that he don't spam Chaos Control to dodge attacks, i not arguing he don't have incredible mobility. If i as, i would go to the hospital myself.

oh i see, well, he spams it when he sees that he needs to do it, he spamed it against Shadow in adventure 2 after all

He would know a attack coming from Goku eyes, because of danger sense?

yes, it points where the attack is coming from

If that happens, Goku would use a Explosive wave to blow Sonic away.
Not like he never get blitzed before.

in this case, Sonic will blitz on the level of seeing Goku is so much slow motion that he won't be moving at all by his perspective, Sonic would realize that he can't harm Goku and back off before Goku can do anything to push him off

i forgot to put the "s" in the end haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

He literally just need to Blast him in close range, i don't see how that not fast enough.

Because Sonic has 4x reaction speed advantage on top of a speed amp that makes already see Goku is slow motion + prior knowledge of the attack thanks to his danger senses

In which fight he goes "He can no-sell my attacks = He can One-Shot me"?

yeah, that is how most people are in Sonic, durability = AP, that is the type of enemy Sonic has faced

In one instance, yeah.

being one instance doesn't matter when it was the instance where he had the emeralds to use it in the first place, you can't dismiss it as "one instance" when it is the only one we have

That don't mean Goku can kill him in one strike, no.

stop ignoring the points i have said dude, YES it does in SONIC'S EYES since that is HOW IT WORKS IN HIS VERSE, and is also LOGICAL TO ASSUME THAT EVEN IRL

When he spam chaos Control to dodge things? That's what i want to know.

in the very clip i showed you

Your response for me about Goku giving one punch on Sonic, and exploding him is he would heal.

No, it is that he would revive and then heal, besides, what is to say that Goku would even try and explode Sonic?

How he would heal If he gets his body destroyed with one punch for Goku?

prove that Goku would deliberately blow up Sonic's body

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Classic Sonic went from ftl to mflt+ in a short ammount of time for example

You mean instantly, Boi just got near Modern Sonic and magically got upgraded to hell

 

[Brogeefrong]

You mean instantly, Boi just got near Modern Sonic and magically got upgraded to hell

modern sonic has power bestowal

 

[XxZetsuxX]

modern sonic has power bestowal

Kek

 

[Cass5373]

vote for Goku

 

[Brogeefrong]

vote for Goku

Do u have a reason?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Goku would need kaioken times 20 to keep up with Sonic, but Sonic would still react faster than Goku can attack him, so hitting him is not as likely.

Sonic also continously grows stronger and faster with each second he fight, meaning very quickly Sonic would become too fast for Goku to handle even with SSBKK20. Goku also cannot access UI at will so it'd only occur if Goku is pushed beyond his limits, and given Sonic can't even harm him because tier difference, it's not gonna happen

Sonic would also notice his usual moves are gonna do nothing to Goku, so he'd likely resort to stuff like Chaos Control to teleport him away. Given Goku starts at SSG and is slower than Sonic with the boost, Sonic would have ample time to realize that and teleport him away, Instant Transmission wouldn't work to teleport him out of BFR because it doesn't have the range for it

Voting Sonic

 

[Brogeefrong]

Goku would need kaioken times 20 to keep up with Sonic, but Sonic would still react faster than Goku can attack him, so hitting him is not as likely.

Sonic also continously grows stronger and faster with each second he fight, meaning very quickly Sonic would become too fast for Goku to handle even with SSBKK20. Goku also cannot access UI at will so it'd only occur if Goku is pushed beyond his limits, and given Sonic can't even harm him because tier difference, it's not gonna happen

Sonic would also notice his usual moves are gonna do nothing to Goku, so he'd likely resort to stuff like Chaos Control to teleport him away

Goku does heavily upscale from his speed tho so that might something to note

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Goku does heavily upscale from his speed tho so that might something to note

So does Sonic XD

 

[Angelzewolf]

I remember the days Goku stomped Sonic even when Sonic goes full power.

Now it's an actual debate on Base Sonic vs Goku (SSG - SSBKK and ui).

Blue blur has come a long way.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I remember the days Goku stomped Sonic even when Sonic goes full power.

Now it's an actual debate on Base Sonic vs Goku (SSG - SSBKK and ui).

Blue blur has come a long way.

Next game will be Base sonic vs mui Goku

Trust me

 

[Brogeefrong]

So does Sonic XD

I dont think it’s as much tho

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I dont think it’s as much tho

Sonic went from 4-C to 4-A with just a punch from emerl

Plus the fact he says he gets stronger every second, I don't see why not though XD?