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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

AppleLord said:
On another note, everyone here (except me) is a nerd living in someone’s basement with a huge gut and beard. :)
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So apparently poisons are more lethal to Askin than physical damage, he survived Yoruichi's shunko but he can't survive Gin's poison, kinda surprising since his whole ability is about poisoning people lol
 
YukaSama4 said:
So apparently poisons are more lethal to Askin than physical damage, he survived Yoruichi's shunko but he can't survive Gin's poison, kinda surprising since his whole ability is about poisoning people lol
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Keep in mind Gin's poison is so insane it literally erodes you away on a cellular level, idk if we can really make the claims you're making and use Gin as the evidence. Dude has perhaps the most insane poison in the entire verse.
 
zylieo said:
Yeah now please provide evidence that Gerard is a transcendent being.
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Final Form Gerard > Vollstandig Gerard > God Size Gerard (Strongest Quincy) > Almighty Jugram = Strongest Enemy ever up to the point which includes FKT Aizen. Which makes sense since the version of the Almighty Jugram got was Soul King Yhwach’s Almighty, not Base Yhwach’s Almighty. Dark Reiatsu and all. He doesn’t fully scale to SK Yhwach as their bases are not comparable and his Almighty hax isn’t as potent, but he’s stronger than any enemy that came before as per the narrator statement in the weekly shonen version of ch 660
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
Bro said “I got 2-3 ways to get Gerard above Aizen” and didnt say anything, it’s cuz he knows Condom Aizen is packing Gerard
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There’s a few ways to get Gerard above pre TYBW Aizen. Though it’s scaling methods not many people agree with. Not VS Battle wiki standards but

One way is the Fullbring Arc God tiers >= FKT God tiers scaling, with CFYOW Ginjo’s scaling (who didn’t get any stronger or do any training in verse besides helping Ganju, despite his profile on the wiki suggesting he got massively stronger) and the other is with Jugram’s narrator statement in the weekly shonen version of chapter 660 with him being the strongest enemy ever (Which makes sense since he inherited Soul King Amped Yhwach’s Massively Amped Almighty, Black Reiatsu and all despite not scaling to that version of Yhwach himself), and Gerard in 666 being called the strongest Quincy by the narration text after Jugram’s statement

But other than that it’s hard to say since that version of Aizen scales nowhere. He’s above the Bleach Sannin but not yet at the level of his third form that transcends Shinigami and Hollows




If we say Chrysalis Aizen 100-1000x > Shini Aizen = Shikai Urahara

Then you could also argue

Final Form Gerard +10x > Vollstandig Gerard w/ Bankai Kenny Damage Miracle Absorbed > Hypothetical Vollstandig Gerard (no Miracle Amp) 10x > God Size Gerard > Vollstandig Askin ~ Bankai Urahara 10x > Shikai Urahara = Shinigami Aizen

If we ignore the final form potentially being beyond 10x (which requires explanation), just going off of Urahara’s Bankai scaling and Gerard’s Vollstandig, we get him 100x, with the Bankai Kenny Miracle Amp, beyond 100x, and with the Final Form he can potentially be > 1000x

Vollstandig being 10x in the scaling chain since 1.) Letzt Stil brought Base Uryu from being weaker than Shikai Mayuri to one shotting Mayuri’s Bankai which is where the 5-10x amp would be focused into, and Vollstandig is considered as different as ‘Heaven and Earth’ from Letzt Stil, 2.) Blut already being Bankai level amp and Vollstandig being their trump card 3.) The Sternritter considering themselves using the Shinigami’s own 5-10x Bankai against their base selves as more fair than using their Vollstandig vs the Captain’s Bankai.
 
Jo-Smooth said:
One way is the Fullbring Arc God tiers >= FKT God tiers scaling, with CFYOW Ginjo’s scaling (who didn’t get any stronger or do any training in verse besides helping Ganju, despite his profile on the wiki suggesting he got massively stronger) and the other is with Jugram’s narrator statement in the weekly shonen version of chapter 660 with him being the strongest enemy ever (Which makes sense since he inherited Soul King Amped Yhwach’s Massively Amped Almighty, Black Reiatsu and all despite not scaling to that version of Yhwach himself), and Gerard in 666 being called the strongest Quincy by the narration text after Jugram’s statement
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Fullbring > Aizen/Dangai Ichigo scaling is rejected and refuted many times
Jo-Smooth said:
If we say Chrysalis Aizen 100-1000x > Shini Aizen = Shikai Urahara

Then you could also argue

Final Form Gerard +10x > Vollstandig Gerard w/ Bankai Kenny Damage Miracle Absorbed > Hypothetical Vollstandig Gerard (no Miracle Amp) 10x > God Size Gerard > Vollstandig Askin ~ Bankai Urahara 10x > Shikai Urahara = Shinigami Aizen

If we ignore the final form potentially being beyond 10x (which requires explanation), just going off of Urahara’s Bankai scaling and Gerard’s Vollstandig, we get him 100x, with the Bankai Kenny Miracle Amp, beyond 100x, and with the Final Form he can potentially be > 1000x
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This is the weirdest scaling way I've ever seen on this thread
 
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Im sure he means physical form, but even if he meant the mind, wouldn't he just mean this?
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Being under so much pressure you can't function?
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Loss of identity typically refers to the mental and aizen has to be like 1 foot away to erase someone
Twisted_Little_Raven said:
Im sure he means physical form, but even if he meant the mind, wouldn't he just mean this?
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Being under so much pressure you can't function?
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Yea but sp is also know to casue mental affects shown when kenpachi soul crushed ichigo and many other times when hikone soul crushed.
 
Jo-Smooth said:
Final Form Gerard > Vollstandig Gerard > God Size Gerard (Strongest Quincy) > Almighty Jugram = Strongest Enemy ever up to the point which includes FKT Aizen. Which makes sense since the version of the Almighty Jugram got was Soul King Yhwach’s Almighty, not Base Yhwach’s Almighty. Dark Reiatsu and all. He doesn’t fully scale to SK Yhwach as their bases are not comparable and his Almighty hax isn’t as potent, but he’s stronger than any enemy that came before as per the narrator statement in the weekly shonen version of ch 660
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The "Strongest Enemy" statement was used from Shonen Jump as promotion material. That's like saying we should take the Omnipotence statements from VIZ seriously.
 
Jo-Smooth said:
There’s a few ways to get Gerard above pre TYBW Aizen. Though it’s scaling methods not many people agree with. Not VS Battle wiki standards but

One way is the Fullbring Arc God tiers >= FKT God tiers scaling, with CFYOW Ginjo’s scaling (who didn’t get any stronger or do any training in verse besides helping Ganju, despite his profile on the wiki suggesting he got massively stronger) and the other is with Jugram’s narrator statement in the weekly shonen version of chapter 660 with him being the strongest enemy ever (Which makes sense since he inherited Soul King Amped Yhwach’s Massively Amped Almighty, Black Reiatsu and all despite not scaling to that version of Yhwach himself), and Gerard in 666 being called the strongest Quincy by the narration text after Jugram’s statement

But other than that it’s hard to say since that version of Aizen scales nowhere. He’s above the Bleach Sannin but not yet at the level of his third form that transcends Shinigami and Hollows




If we say Chrysalis Aizen 100-1000x > Shini Aizen = Shikai Urahara

Then you could also argue

Final Form Gerard +10x > Vollstandig Gerard w/ Bankai Kenny Damage Miracle Absorbed > Hypothetical Vollstandig Gerard (no Miracle Amp) 10x > God Size Gerard > Vollstandig Askin ~ Bankai Urahara 10x > Shikai Urahara = Shinigami Aizen

If we ignore the final form potentially being beyond 10x (which requires explanation), just going off of Urahara’s Bankai scaling and Gerard’s Vollstandig, we get him 100x, with the Bankai Kenny Miracle Amp, beyond 100x, and with the Final Form he can potentially be > 1000x

Vollstandig being 10x in the scaling chain since 1.) Letzt Stil brought Base Uryu from being weaker than Shikai Mayuri to one shotting Mayuri’s Bankai which is where the 5-10x amp would be focused into, and Vollstandig is considered as different as ‘Heaven and Earth’ from Letzt Stil, 2.) Blut already being Bankai level amp and Vollstandig being their trump card 3.) The Sternritter considering themselves using the Shinigami’s own 5-10x Bankai against their base selves as more fair than using their Vollstandig vs the Captain’s Bankai.
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Aizen is a whole dimenson above Urahara it's not just 1000×
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Isshin said aizen was in a different location/space/dimension
 
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