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Aye, I would agree. Extremely relevant in this scenario.I think being topic banned does mean you can't make calcs on it, actually.
Especially in this case, where a large part of the issue was @Vapourrrrr's behaviour around calcs for the series.
SoooooooBecause stonewalling is something that can manifest in calc blogs. You'll also notice that you didn't stonewall in versus threads, yet the topic ban extended there too. Hell, I've seen some behaviour that seems stonewall-esque in some of your calc blogs (but not many). The topic ban extending there is reasonable.
TR calcs aren't noticeably more difficult than other verses.
I think that's unreasonable (Topic banning reggor and morris) but since you know more then me whatever, I feel like the premise of debating shouldn't be considered stone walling, for examplePerhaps we should, I don't really care about other people stonewalling so I don't report it.
If people think I shouldn't be trying to explain why a calc was rejected to someone stonewalling against that idea for a month, I can quite easily stop.
We should ban RoggerReggor and Morrishatesyou for stonewalling too
I wasn't getting on a high horse I just said "stop debating this" because it was a dumb debate that had nothing to do with the CRTIf that's ban-worthy and all the CGMs get so tired with the verse which I am debating on currently that they don't even evaluate the calcs of the verse (like TR). Then sure.
We aren't stonewalling. I and Agnaa are debating about a freaking interpretation and premises of the feat where literally both is possible. And it's not like I and Agnaa were arguing with one thing for the entire debate, new stuff was put on, countered on, accepted on or done on, you can see it if you take two different comments from different times. I am also not set on annoying Agnaa or something. I don't think he is biased and give him tags of being biased, and I still like to ask him for evaluating calcs, he puts on genuine and good debates. Calcs should be questioned and that's what happens. You stick on one thing for a lot of time, even getting on a high horse and thinking that you are the only one who's correct.
(Only coming here as I was specifically mentioned.)
Some more information on that topic: In the first thread of the verse itself, you called literally everyone biased and accused them for "downgrading the verse only because the downgrades were biased and were only done because the people wanted their favorite verses to get higher than TR so they could solo it" and even called the people as Tokyo Revengers haters. While you certainly amended your behavior for that, I still think it is necessary to mention. And then only, the entire thread was derailed on went on a topic of people being biased and doing some "stupid debunks" (according to you).I wasn't getting on a high horse I just said "stop debating this" because it was a dumb debate that had nothing to do with the CRT
As I said, it's not comparable. You were doing it very differently.Literally everything you just said is what I was doing in the thread, me getting topic banned for 2 months is diabolical especially if you think what your doing is fine, then what I was doing was fine because multiple new things came up, I don't know why you bought up biased and evaling calcs, I also ask him and I have never called him biased
CGMs only evaluated the threads because it was necessary, while doing calcs is their choice.The only time I call a CGM biased is when I have good reasoning for it, for example if you refuse to eval TR calcs but then participate in the downgrade threads, I also am pretty sure I apologised to DMUA if not then idk
Okay(Again, I am uninterested in this.)
Some more information on that topic: In the first thread of the verse itself, you called literally everyone biased and accused them for "downgrading the verse only because the downgrades were biased and were only done because the people wanted their favorite verses to get higher than TR so they could solo it" and even called the people as Tokyo Revengers haters. While you certainly amended your behavior for that, I still think it is necessary to mention. And then only, the entire thread was derailed on went on a topic of people being biased and doing some "stupid debunks" (according to you).
And stop calling any downgrades or debates "stupid" or "dumb" if a person has literally put up a lot of points. A stupid debunk is a debunk which has some clear scientific problems. The entire thread was based on interpretations, so it is of course not "dumb". This was for the thread by Second. In the thread by Zefra as well, you were the one who was seriously the most disliked person. Both Morris and Corbin were also arguing, but it's not like people specially "dislike" them. If I recall correctly, most of the people were genuinely annoyed by you despite doing the same amount of debate as other supporters. There's a way in debating and you didn't know it, I don't know about now.
As I said, it's not comparable. You were doing it very differently.
CGMs only evaluated the threads because it was necessary, while doing calcs is their choice.
This is an RVR, not a regular verse thread. Leave it to the staff. I am not going to reply after this even if it questions anything. Come to the message wall for all of this. This shall not happen in a Wiki Management thread.Okay
1. They bought up characters like Karma and Ayanokoji, its only fair to assume that there biased since they said things like "Karma > Mikey" and "Ayanokoji > Mikey"
2. I called them haters ? You linked an old thread that has nothing to do with my topic ban, anyways whatever
3. Zefra's post said to use Peak human for top tiers in the verse, I don't think I need to explain why that's dumb
4. People were annoyed by me because I was angry and was debating them for long times and debating multiple, I responded (when I was active) within a minute so the thread became focused on debating with me instead of morris and corbin who took longer to respond, I was literally arguing with like 5 people at a time, I was annoyed so I wouldn't expect my responses to be kind even though they weren't me going off the deep end
5. Differently how ? I was debating just like you
6. reading through calcs is literally the whole premise of their job, reading through threads is much less important then reading through actual calcs
And here are some comments on your argument.
He didn't even know what I was going to mean but he replied like this.
More.
And many more, From where he was reported earlier.
. Jesus, this Izana calc is so obvious, if were gonna be this nit picky over a calc NO calc will ever be accepted, I will literally create the largest downgrade thread because no calc needs to be this nit picky, the calc is simple and obvious@Vapourrrrr You are saying that debates should not be banned from topic, and you believe that there are valid reasons for your arguments. Let's explore the reasons for your debates, for example...
I'm saying that we cannot assume Izana's running 7 meters, and Agnaa in the latest Downgrade thread also thinks the same way. And this is your counterargument.
And here are some comments on your argument.
He didn't even know what I was going to mean but he replied like this.
More.
And many more, From where he was reported earlier.
Tbh, many times your arguments have no benefits other than leading to chaos, insulting others as being stupid, attempting to drag down threads with slow degradation, being straightforwardly annoying. I can report you in various ways because you don't care about the rules I've set in the OP, seriously. I don't think you should be banned just only in the TR topic.
Calculations are highly relevant to this specific case, at least. I think in general, it ought to count as we're barring them from officially partaking in the verse- calcs seem pretty official to me. They represent proposals on par with a CRT.I am honestly uncertain if discussion thread topic bans automatically extend to calculation blogs. What do our administrators here think?
Why should I be banned for commenting on TR calcs and making calcs, seems a bit out of order, If a CGM comments on my calc I usually only @ them once or twice before I stop which majority of people do, I'm not pestering anyone I'm just making calcs for a verse I like and commenting on calcsCalculations are highly relevant to this specific case, at least. I think in general, it ought to count as we're barring them from officially partaking in the verse- calcs seem pretty official to me. They represent proposals on par with a CRT.
I think they should count in general, they should definitely count for this specific case. Since it wasn't obvious I don't think action should be taken against Vapourrr, but the bickering felt pretty unnecessary.
Well where else am I meant to debate thisBecause you're topic banned for poor behavior on calcs in addition to on-forum shit.
I gave my two cents, we're not spamming the RvR. Vapourrr, you also will not carry on here- flooding RvR is in itself a rule violation.
You aren't. RvR punishments aren't debates.Well where else am I meant to debate this
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As a CGM I’d say no. He can make calc blogs but he can’t do anything more with them.What is up for discussion is for staff members to weigh in on whether calcs should be covered by topic bans at large, and this specific one.
Making calculations demands adding to the discussion, offering your own interpretation of feats, etc. That is why I would disagree. I think calling it a "dictatorship move" is in extremely poor taste but you're free to your interpretations, I suppose.As a CGM I’d say no. He can make calc blogs but he can’t do anything more with them.
However, other people can use his calcs, which is fine because he can just calc them off-site and other people can post them here anyway. If we could stop people from using his calcs, even if they post them here from off-site sources, I’d say we’re reaching at this point. Really, I don’t see how calcs could extend to that. Seems kinda a directorship move.
I agree. Topic bans should not extend to sandboxes or blog posts.I am absolutely against topic bans extending to blogs. Many users just use them recreationally and policing that in my opinion would be going too far. Calculations are an extension of that.
Yeah, but only if they're looked at, evaluated and accepted by CGM's. Meaning eitherMaking calculations demands adding to the discussion, offering your own interpretation of feats, etc. That is why I would disagree.
Not only if they're looked at lol? Making the calc itself demands that you present your case. Being topic banned for a time means you are disbarred from this for poor behavior. We should not say "You are topic banned but as long as its on a calc and not a thread then you can say whatever you want". We should not afford an individual the means to bypass such a ban.Yeah, but only if they're looked at, evaluated and accepted by CGM's. Meaning either
And it wouldn't even be them adding it, it'd be someone going "hmm yes, I think that's useful", and taking it. Which would happen either way. Like if blud gives a calc to someone on discord to use, what are we gonna do?
- They don't get accepted so they don't add anything relevant.
- They DO get accepted, meaning they're actually useful, helpful, and an active benefit to have.