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Meruem vs. Roronoa Zoro

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CiscoTheSoto said:
Bump. With new OPM upgrades, Zoro now has resistance to fear manipulation, madness manipulation and mind manipulation, meaning that Meruem no longer stomps with Nen Crush. At most there is the limited Death Manipulation, but that’s only limited at most and would only happen if Zoro remained in the area for a prolonged period of time, which Zoro isn’t going to let happen. So now this match can actually be done!
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But zoro cannot counter meurems clones that have high regen and his other haxes
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Bump. With new OPM upgrades, Zoro now has resistance to fear manipulation, madness manipulation and mind manipulation, meaning that Meruem no longer stomps with Nen Crush. At most there is the limited Death Manipulation, but that’s only limited at most and would only happen if Zoro remained in the area for a prolonged period of time, which Zoro isn’t going to let happen. So now this match can actually be done!
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Not on the level of Meruem, no.
He has layered Fear Manipulation, and his mind and insanity manipulation is far more powerful than anything on One Piece. He literally made a Chimera age 100 years just by being slightly offensive with his Ren, on top of making numerous Top Tier Hunters flee.

If you think Zoro can resist that, you're tweaking.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Not on the level of Meruem, no.
He has layered Fear Manipulation, and his mind and insanity manipulation is far more powerful than anything on One Piece. He literally made a Chimera age 100 years just by being slightly offensive with his Ren, on top of making numerous Top Tier Hunters flee.

If you think Zoro can resist that, you're tweaking.
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His resistances to madness and mind manipulation are based on his willpower, and Zoro’s willpower is much higher than anyone else’s on the Extermination Team and much higher than Welfin’s. So I do believe that Zoro could resist it, given his willpower has allowed him to endure taking on Luffy’s pain compounded with his own. Not to mention he’s strengthened his spirit and Haki significantly after training with Mihawk.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
His resistances to madness and mind manipulation are based on his willpower, and Zoro’s willpower is much higher than anyone else’s on the Extermination Team and much higher than Welfin’s. So I do believe that Zoro could resist it, given his willpower has allowed him to endure taking on Luffy’s pain compounded with his own. Not to mention he’s strengthened his spirit and Haki significantly after training with Mihawk.
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That's not a fair comparison at all.

We can't compare mechanics from both verses like that.

Zoro's got a bigger willpower than everyone in the HxH cast, sure. But that doesn't mean he can just resist fear hax that doesn't depend on willpower. Your bodily functions literally die from exposure.

Meruem's fear manipulation is simply higher than anything Zoro has resisted, on top of being layered, as he outscales Killua who can bypass resistances.
 
Jibz said:
If:

a) Meruem's fear hax is better than anything Zoro's ever shown resistance to
b) His fear and madness hax is layered

Then there's no reason to assume Zoro can resist it.
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Op's fear manipulation is like,
"I'm paralyzed from fear"

HxH's can make people age 100 years just be feeling their killer aura, and force them to use 100% of their brain capacity just to find an excuse to get out of that situation.
 
I’d like to hear the opinions of other admins on this because I still believe Zoro could resist the effects of Ren.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I’d like to hear the opinions of other admins on this because I still believe Zoro could resist the effects of Ren.
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Way ahead of you. That's @KingTempest

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Holy shit the fact you had to ask Tempest to clarify is insane. This is beyond grasping at straws.
 
It's literally limited death manipulation 😑 that's it... Zoro doesn't have resistance to death manipulation... Yet
 
This is certainly enlightening... before I joined VSBW, if you asked me something like Zoro vs Meruem, I'd tell you that Zoro would one-shot Meruem just by sheer power scaling of their respective verses...the way you guys nitpick analyze the matchups is so interesting.
 
Ningen said:
This is certainly enlightening... before I joined VSBW, if you asked me something like Zoro vs Meruem, I'd tell you that Zoro would one-shot Meruem just by sheer power scaling of their respective verses...the way you guys nitpick analyze the matchups is so interesting.
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Well it's because there is speed equal, bs and wanked abilities plus more... This isn't an average match up, vsbw matches gives you options to use to make it so they are able to fight each other, which at times can make it even unfair in some cases
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Not on the level of Meruem, no.
He has layered Fear Manipulation, and his mind and insanity manipulation is far more powerful than anything on One Piece. He literally made a Chimera age 100 years just by being slightly offensive with his Ren, on top of making numerous Top Tier Hunters flee.

If you think Zoro can resist that, you're tweaking.
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That reminds me of when Cracker's fear inducement made homies instantly wither and die, and it was said that it was due to their extreme fear of him.
It really feels like a case of just lack of willpower of knowing you're thouroughly and entirely outmatched.

Edit: before anyone says it- I ain't saying Zoro resists. I know Nen crush is broken. I'm just pointing out a similiarity >>
 
SnookB said:
That reminds me of when Cracker's fear inducement made homies instantly wither and die, and it was said that it was due to their extreme fear of him.
It really feels like a case of just lack of willpower of knowing you're thouroughly and entirely outmatched.
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It is that, but being outmatched doesn't cause you to age 500 years. Meruem was actually having killer intentions towards Welvin, and this triggers the hax.

This, on top of Meruem scaling above Puff, who can make Knov age just by having his aura touch him with no intentions due to how sinister it is, should solidify that Meruem did so through hax.
 
Jibz said:
Quite the scathing commentary
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I know what that word means now and... No, saying the truth isn't harsh (or something like that) maybe the wanked abilities part is but if I instead typed it as overhyped abilities... Everything would be fine, I would think

Maybe bs as well but its still true... Like what 🤔🤷‍♂️
 
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Resistance to Aura and all that should actually block out all nen effects, if you can block out aura from reaching you, it should block out the effect of nen
 
What was Zoro's feat for resistance to Aura, might i ask. I don't want this to be another "can't get cut by paper, thus sword slices are ineffective" situation.
 
Jibz said:
What was Zoro's feat for resistance to Aura, might i ask. I don't want this to be another "can't get cut by paper, thus sword slices are ineffective" situation.
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Think the humandrills got scared by mihawk and zoro didn't but not sure 🤔
 
Jibz said:
Is Mihawks aura anywhere near the same level of Meruem's?
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Idk, don't think so but I would assume it's higher then zoro's punk hazard fear manipulation where he made monet (someone who isn't afraid to die) be afraid by Zoro and completely immobilizing her
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
it's higher then zoro's punk hazard fear manipulation where he made monet (someone who isn't afraid to die) be afraid by Zoro and completely immobilizing her
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if its unquantifiably higher then an aura merely making someone freeze due to fear then it is nowhere near Meruem's level.
 
My question is are people here trolling or smth ? Because these replies belong to a circus or smth similar. People here are comparing a characrer which is highballed mountain vs a character who has Multi-Continent AP and FTL+ arguably base MFTL speeds ? Y'all talk like zoro will just stand here and tank meruem aura. Also have you got actual proof of this "death manip" who did meruem kill by his aura alone ? "He aged welfin 100 years" so basically he affected a small building level character with barely any fighting skills and nen abilities ? Zoro whitstood combined advanced attack from Big Mom and Kaido and you tell me Meruem wouldn't get 1 shoot by Sea Conquest of Big Mom and Kaido ? Are we ignoring that zoro has advanced conqueror haki and he can coat himself in it ? Are we saying that Nen which is a literal rip off and wish version of Haki stronger than literal haki ? Show me 1 HxH character who demonstrated destructive feats more than multi city level. That mountain y'all bs about is just a rock even we seen kizaru's casual attack did more damage than any attack meruem has.
We talking about speed ? Not only that En speed light is so easly debunkable but let's go by it. En just extends one's aura so he can perceive everything within his aura. That has nothing to do with combat speed and reactions. Zoro has FTL+ combat speed and reactions + Advanced observation Haki. Zoro damaged Kaido in his hybrid form whi has literal continental durability. No one in HxH can even put a scratch on Kaido. We are in vsbattle wiki. Are y'all that lazy to check the pages ? It literally says Meruem "High 7-C, up to Low 7-B with Ryu and Ko | 7-A" which translates to Mountain level+ (which is obviously bs since that was a slightly bigger rock). And Zoro "High 6-A, higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher when unleashing Enma or with Kyutoryu, far higher with Ashura Bakkei: Moja no Tawamure | High 6-A, higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher with Haoshoku Infusion, Kyutoryu, or when unleashing Enma, far higher with En-Ō Santōryū" which translate to Multi Continent level you can't even read ?.
Let's stop with this astronomical wanking of characters ? What's next meruem's aura killing Rimuru ? Or Meruem's aura killing Yogiri ? I believe people here are that dumb to think Meruem has an actual chance of beating the likes or Rimuru or Anos you demonstrated me here. The HxH verse and the Akame Ga Kill verse have some astronomical wankings.
Why are y'all even here trolling because this is 100% troll people who know even 10% of how scaling actually works wouldn't bother arguing if Meruem's aura which affected a barely building level bottom feeder ant would affect someone who can slash a country level Pika and even tanking attacks that distorted the environment casually
 
nickN said:
My question is are people here trolling or smth ? Because these replies belong to a circus or smth similar. People here are comparing a characrer which is highballed mountain vs a character who has Multi-Continent AP and FTL+ arguably base MFTL speeds ? Y'all talk like zoro will just stand here and tank meruem aura. Also have you got actual proof of this "death manip" who did meruem kill by his aura alone ? "He aged welfin 100 years" so basically he affected a small building level character with barely any fighting skills and nen abilities ? Zoro whitstood combined advanced attack from Big Mom and Kaido and you tell me Meruem wouldn't get 1 shoot by Sea Conquest of Big Mom and Kaido ? Are we ignoring that zoro has advanced conqueror haki and he can coat himself in it ? Are we saying that Nen which is a literal rip off and wish version of Haki stronger than literal haki ? Show me 1 HxH character who demonstrated destructive feats more than multi city level. That mountain y'all bs about is just a rock even we seen kizaru's casual attack did more damage than any attack meruem has.
We talking about speed ? Not only that En speed light is so easly debunkable but let's go by it. En just extends one's aura so he can perceive everything within his aura. That has nothing to do with combat speed and reactions. Zoro has FTL+ combat speed and reactions + Advanced observation Haki. Zoro damaged Kaido in his hybrid form whi has literal continental durability. No one in HxH can even put a scratch on Kaido. We are in vsbattle wiki. Are y'all that lazy to check the pages ? It literally says Meruem "High 7-C, up to Low 7-B with Ryu and Ko | 7-A" which translates to Mountain level+ (which is obviously bs since that was a slightly bigger rock). And Zoro "High 6-A, higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher when unleashing Enma or with Kyutoryu, far higher with Ashura Bakkei: Moja no Tawamure | High 6-A, higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher with Haoshoku Infusion, Kyutoryu, or when unleashing Enma, far higher with En-Ō Santōryū" which translate to Multi Continent level you can't even read ?.
Let's stop with this astronomical wanking of characters ? What's next meruem's aura killing Rimuru ? Or Meruem's aura killing Yogiri ? I believe people here are that dumb to think Meruem has an actual chance of beating the likes or Rimuru or Anos you demonstrated me here. The HxH verse and the Akame Ga Kill verse have some astronomical wankings.
Why are y'all even here trolling because this is 100% troll people who know even 10% of how scaling actually works wouldn't bother arguing if Meruem's aura which affected a barely building level bottom feeder ant would affect someone who can slash a country level Pika and even tanking attacks that distorted the environment casually
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Well, this match was made before OP was upgraded to High 6-A, so it's severely outdated. The death manipulation comes from the fact that individuals who don't protect themselves with Nen can be overwhelmed by the effects of hostile Ren. It basically comes from mental abilities: HxH's Nen is far more layered, at least Meruem's Ren specifically is, since it can age experienced Nen users who naturally have their own resistance to the mental effects of Ren. Meruem also typically uses hostile Ren in-character, so anybody who can't resist it will basically succumb to its effects. I think it's really stupid, but it's the rules. As the match is now, though, Zoro would indeed one-shot, so it's now a mismatch.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Well, this match was made before OP was upgraded to High 6-A, so it's severely outdated. The death manipulation comes from the fact that individuals who don't protect themselves with Nen can be overwhelmed by the effects of hostile Ren. It basically comes from mental abilities: HxH's Nen is far more layered, at least Meruem's Ren specifically is, since it can age experienced Nen users who naturally have their own resistance to the mental effects of Ren. Meruem also typically uses hostile Ren in-character, so anybody who can't resist it will basically succumb to its effects. I think it's really stupid, but it's the rules. As the match is now, though, Zoro would indeed one-shot, so it's now a mismatch.
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I’ll get someone to close it
 
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