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Alright then, that should be everything, all that's left is to apply the changes and that should be it.
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Dragon Ball heroes abilities
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Yes, I will be available for necessary chances tomorrow as I need to rest now
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I'll get the major stuff out of the way, aside from the locked pages unless we have admins or content mods to open them sooner than later.
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Alright then
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The acausality is just being baseline, not getting nuked entirely.
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Law Manip and Physics Manip are just dark Ki as I’ve explained here also I’d argue causality Manip should be added for the copy universe too
Post in thread 'Dragon Ball heroes abilities'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-heroes-abilities.151021/post-5580442
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One more thing and I’m sorry to do this because it seems the thread is almost complete but the feat of super shenron erasing the copy universe should be causality manip not possible law manip, as he keeps the cause(erasing the copy universe) while ignoring the effect (harming the original universe)
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Regardless of whether or not I think law/physics manip should be specifically from dark ki It seems to have been already accepted as a combination of both for the purposes of this thread
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He has law Manip from toeiverse shenron
Havent seen it in the thread last mention of law and physics Manip was the one I linked I provided scans as well plus even Fu’s profile says what I said if you check the lifting strength area
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I’m not sure how thoroughly it’s been discussed either but if you check the updated op it seems to have been concluded that the law/physics manip is a combination of both and I’m honestly glad it is being kept at all
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Well it should be kept theres no reason it shouldnt
but I noticed in the op it says this “but to be short, nothing about magic having more influence than science remotely means they warp the physics and law of the demon world, especially when the world already existed prior to the demon being banished there. By this logic every Harry Potter character has physics and law hax because the wizarding world has more magic influence than science.” I want to address this by saying that it’s not the same thing because it compares the top half of the living realm by saying it abides by science and the bottom realm where science doesn’t have as much authority and it compares them as polar opposites for this reason so the context is fully there and it’s not the same logic
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The living world is split into two dimensions described as being 2 sides of a coin. The top half of the universe, overseen by the Kaio and Kaioshin, and run according to science (Or whatever passes for it in the DB world). The bottom half is the Demon Realm, where magic has more sway than science, and where the evil Makaio and Maikaioshin are gods. Despite the two dimensions being polar opposites like this |
(Compares them as Polar Opposites due to science works in both halves so this shows things work differently in the realm and even in the beginning it compared them to 2 sides of a coin)
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Even though I like your interpretation. This line of reasoning appears to have been rejected.
(Right now I’m more concerned with how we will communicate on the two separate Ability pages that Time power + Dark Ki = law and physics hax)
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I would like for Glass to respond to what I’ve said but I don’t think its been rejected pretty sure 2 staff would be needed and Glass still hasn’t really gave a hard stance on what I’ve said
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@godofice What you posted still isn't insufficient when they elaborate on what they mean by the 2 sides. One uses magic more than science, and vice versa. Plus they didn't make the realm from scratch in a void, the realm already existed. Also none of the scans remotely mentioned they just use time powers to make the process of making the universe faster, on top of the fact it uses the universe tree which has god of destruction ki so that further disproves dark ki alone doing this.
3 staff already commented, Maverick, Emirp and Planck, so yes this thread has been verified.
3 staff already commented, Maverick, Emirp and Planck, so yes this thread has been verified.
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Also I edited all of the pages except for Xeno Goku, Heroes Goku and Beat's pages. Once those are done this thread can be closed.
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So who is going to keep law and physics manip to me it seems fu and mechi qualify as they have both dark KI and time power
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That’s not how the context says it’s being referred to as when you look at the entire scan it states they’re polar opposites for that reason regarding how science affects both of their sides What are you referring to since the scan says that they made the realm
The scan says that it would usually take longer but it’s shortened from the god bird’s power
The agreed stuff is fine but the staff you mentioned didn’t comment regarding Law and Physics Manip but they did comment on the other stuff
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I was just wondering as it’s not on there profile and you said you had finished editing the profiles of everything but xeno goku , cc goku, and beat
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@godofice The scan where it mentions the sorcerers making the demon world says they were locked in a separate space, not a void, meaning the area they were in already existed and just build their society upon, not that the literal laws are different. No it doesn't it said both powers combined can make the universe, which normally takes a long time, it doesn't specify time powers accelerates the creation of the universe, just that both combined can do it.
Planck commented back when I questioned the law and physics hax a while ago and he said its not enough then. If you want me to comment about it now sure. @Planck69 @Maverick_Zero_X @Emirp sumitpo Does the argument for law and physics hax for dark ki alone sound sufficient or no?
@segetero I don't have all the scans in regards to the copy universe, besides Dagoth can add that when he's free.
Planck commented back when I questioned the law and physics hax a while ago and he said its not enough then. If you want me to comment about it now sure. @Planck69 @Maverick_Zero_X @Emirp sumitpo Does the argument for law and physics hax for dark ki alone sound sufficient or no?
@segetero I don't have all the scans in regards to the copy universe, besides Dagoth can add that when he's free.
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It doesn’t say that the dark demon realm was made in that space but it mentions the group of sorcerers were imprisoned in a space and says that the Dark Demon Realm was made by the army who were trapped in that space
Im not 100% sure but was it Dogi or toki’s power that was used? Im pretty sure the start of the creation of the universe it was created by simply Dark Ki and then he later used Dogi’s power to speed up the process that’s what Dagoth told me Ottavio told me something different but if you have the scans that show time power was originally used I won’t further argue with that point (also is the copy universe causality manip as well?)
I checked I don’t see Planack mentioning Law and physics manip but I couldve missed it but thank you for pinging the staff for the final conclusions
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It really should be as it transfers effect from the copy universe to the original without directly interacting with the original universe
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Demigra Must also qualify, he has both powers.
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Demigra and Robelu also have it. Also, characters who have both Time Power and Dark Demon Realm power should also resist law & physic hax
Also i want to argue for the Chaos Ball to keep Text hax for it, since literally in the scan for the Chaos Ball (i can't link the scans because on phone) Mechi when create it in the Time Nest (where the scroll is stored), it absorbed everything includes all those scrolls, and next panels the only thing inside is Trunks, Chronoa, Tokitoki, Old Kai and fragmented timeline, nothing more so it literally absorbed the scroll and its texts
Sorry i late for many thing due to my shift getting extended overnight, but look like most of thing concluded
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When it refers to them being imprisoned in a space it’s talking past tense it never says that they created the demon realm in that space
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I'd say no based on the arguments in this thread.
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No, they really aren't from what I can gather.
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I see do you guys disagree with the demon realm itself or just the creation of it
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Both base argument itself isn't enough, seeing as "being based on magic rather than science" doesn't equate to any of those abilities and the fact that Theglassman12's reasoning for them not creating it from its most base level is solid to me.
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Yeah my thoughts are pretty much the same as Planck. This is more just magic rather than law and physics hax.
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@Theglassman12 I believe I have done all the required changes. I believe Gokus are the only ones left now?
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I believed that they Keysword negged also Low Godly and Type 3 and 8 Immortality.
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Forgot about that. I'll fix it
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What is left to do here?
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The Goku profiles which are still locked
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I feel I already addressed those points but I’ll make a crt later strictly focusing on Law Physics and Physics Manip regarding the fact that they’re referred to polar opposites in relation to how science abides in both areas and the creation of it in general but yeah this crt can be closed whenever
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So it is finally concluded? Alright!
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@Dagoth_OwO awesome, I'll get an admin to open the remaining pages and edit them and then close this thread.
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