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Garfield comic additions

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BigSmoke4269 said:
no, low 2-C would be if he destroyed the entire timeline. he only destroyed 10 days. it might qualify for high 3-A though, the tiering system is a bit vague about it so i'm not sure
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That's not how it works. He destroyed the entirety of the universe by clawing out Monday. That's still low 2-C regardless whether or not the entire calenders is destroyed or not.
 
“Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space.”

the universe is not qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space
 
BigSmoke4269 said:
“Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space.”

the universe is not qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space
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We've all assume that the universe is low 2-C at the very least my guy. Everyone who made a low 2-C profile uses destroyed the universe as the main center of their justification
 
Ikelaggan said:
Multiple weather Manipulation feats
Here, Here, Here
Garfield's law speed calc
Possibly reality warping via calenders
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Second scan isn't really Weather Manip so much as Creation. Otherwise agree.

Fear Manipulation via his claws which works on living creatures as well as inanimate objects
Here, Here, Here, Here
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Don't really agree with this being Fear Manip, this is more Social Influencing which, under cartoon logic, can affect an inanimate object.

Mind hax additions
Here
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  • Hypnosis seems unserious, disagree
  • The second scan also seems potentially unserious?
  • The third scan has Garfield specifically debunk this as a negative intelligence feat for Odie over legitimate hypnotism.

So I'm inclined to disagree with mind hax.

Regeneration from being turned into bones
Here
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I believe this is an exaggeration of reality in-universe, the joke being that Garfield felt he was getting very old while little time was passing in actuality. Disagree.

Age Manipulation via calendar
Here
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Seems fine to me.

Some how survives being blown up
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This is definitely a comic panel.

Possibly reality warping via calenders
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I don't think this one is explicit enough, gonna say no.
 
ShionAH said:
In the Gow verse theres CM 2 because the wolf eats a word and a season so why shouldnt garfield get CM2? He destroys the concept of mondays right?
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I don't intend to address God of War but one might assume that a black panel is not exactly sound evidence of anything in particular, regardless of the content of the previous panel. Unless you intend to tell me that Mondays no longer exist for every panel afterwards?
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Unless you intend to tell me that Mondays no longer exist for every panel afterwards?
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It's still a gag so obviously Mondays wouldn't just cease to exist forever, but I do think it'd be a solid Conceptual Manip feat.. Or technically Time Manip?
 
Mr._Bambu said:
I don't intend to address God of War but one might assume that a black panel is not exactly sound evidence of anything in particular, regardless of the content of the previous panel. Unless you intend to tell me that Mondays no longer exist for every panel afterwards?
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I mean cartoons dont have contiunuity
 
TheMonkeMan said:
It's still a gag so obviously Mondays wouldn't just cease to exist forever, but I do think it'd be a solid Conceptual Manip feat.. Or technically Time Manip?
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I just don't feel it's solid enough to warrant an actual ability. Shit's too vague.

I mean cartoons dont have contiunuity
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This was considered when I made the suggestion, yes.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
I don't intend to address God of War but one might assume that a black panel is not exactly sound evidence of anything in particular, regardless of the content of the previous panel. Unless you intend to tell me that Mondays no longer exist for every panel afterwards?
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Garfield often features Negative Continuity. More often than not, changes to status quo won't carry over from one strip to another.

Of course the strip's creators won't cease to have Mondays, one of Garfield's biggest focuses (Garfield is notorious for his hatred of Mondays.), cease to exist in future strips.
But Negative Continuity things often still happen.
 
Imaginym said:
Garfield often features Negative Continuity. More often than not, changes to status quo won't carry over from one strip to another.

Of course the strip's creators won't cease to have Mondays, one of Garfield's biggest focuses (Garfield is notorious for his hatred of Mondays.), cease to exist in future strips.
But Negative Continuity things often still happen.
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I can note continuity doesn't have much strength on the comics but it actually does exists in forms of comic series

What I mean by this is every so often an event happens to Garfield in universe such as Nermal coming to visit or he gets lost. these comics often follow this "story line" with many gags apart of it so it does exist although in terms of strips that are well just strip by strip they often exist on their own when Garfield destroys the house it's back up the next strip or if he busts a wall. So on
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Don't really agree with this being Fear Manip, this is more Social Influencing which, under cartoon logic, can affect an inanimate object.
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Social influencing? cartoon logic? That's kinda taking two over complicated leap assumptions to say intimidating light is social influencing under cartoon logic and not just call it fear hax by occums razor.
Mr._Bambu said:
  • Hypnosis seems unserious, disagree
  • The second scan also seems potentially unserious?
  • The third scan has Garfield specifically debunk this as a negative intelligence feat for Odie over legitimate hypnotism.
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The second one still counts as Garfield hypnotizing John even if it looks cartoony.
Mr._Bambu said:
I believe this is an exaggeration of reality in-universe, the joke being that Garfield felt he was getting very old while little time was passing in actuality. Disagree.
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Ok, you open a can of "it must be a exaggeration" on this feat but still accepted the weather feats in their gagish nature as just creation feats. I definitely don't see a mild line of selective inconsistency with that
 
Ikelaggan said:
Social influencing? cartoon logic? That's kinda taking two over complicated leap assumptions to say intimidating light is social influencing under cartoon logic and not just call it fear hax by occums razor.

The second one still counts as Garfield hypnotizing John even if it looks cartoony.

Ok, you open a can of "it must be a exaggeration" on this feat but still accepted the weather feats in their gagish nature as just creation feats. I definitely don't see a mild line of selective inconsistency with that
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Under cartoon logic, inanimate objects can be frightened despite not being conscious. This you stipulate, not I. Therefore there is no difference between being terrified of intimidation or some supernatural fear manipulation that is left unnamed. In this instance, Occam's Razor would actually favor social influencing- it is easier to presume something by which we can recognize the mechanics than some unnamed force.

Making John rethink pizza ordering isn't sufficient in my book, no.

The weather feat had physical effects. If you want them rejected, I'm not certain why you're proposing them, homie.

At the current time, I'm sticking by my evaluations.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Under cartoon logic, inanimate objects can be frightened despite not being conscious. This you stipulate, not I. Therefore there is no difference between being terrified of intimidation or some supernatural fear manipulation that is left unnamed. In this instance, Occam's Razor would actually favor social influencing- it is easier to presume something by which we can recognize the mechanics than some unnamed force.
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Nothing in this argument strongly leads the conclusion straight to social influencing over fear hax just because there's a toon logic behind it. I can take your exact logic and say popeye roaring the stripes off a tiger is social influencing but still be opposed to say it's fear hax cause toonforce logic "allows" it to be either or but not the latter.
Mr._Bambu said:
Making John rethink pizza ordering isn't sufficient in my book, no.
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your book must be way too high a to think a cat Manipulating memories to get pizza isn't sufficient to even be a thing, my suspension of disbelief says the contrary on that.
Mr._Bambu said:
The weather feat had physical effects. If you want them rejected, I'm not certain why you're proposing them, homie.
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If your implying I'm gaslighting then no.
 
Nothing in this argument strongly leads the conclusion straight to social influencing over fear hax just because there's a toon logic behind it. I can take your exact logic and say popeye roaring the stripes off a tiger is social influencing but still be opposed to say it's fear hax cause toonforce logic "allows" it to be either or but not the latter.
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Go ahead and do it, then, idrc.

your book must be way too high a to think a cat Manipulating memories to get pizza isn't sufficient to even be a thing, my suspension of disbelief says the contrary on that.
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Noted, my "book" remains too high, though.

If your implying I'm gaslighting then no.
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I wasn't, I just didn't take the counterargument terribly seriously.
 
1st_Virtue_of_Pure_Void said:
This just got confusing
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Has it? I've accepted a selection of the CRT that I feel is clear or concrete enough, and the rest isn't accepted. The OP is listed in a simple manner, so going down the list, I have accepted:

  • Weather Manipulation
  • Age Manipulation

In addition, I accept the Fear Hax feats as being actual feats, but feel they are more safely categorized as Social Influencing, as placing the resultant fear on the perceived threat of being clawed is much more sound than assuming Garfield has magical fear-related powers based on said claws, even taking into account inanimate objects being afraid (this is probably moreso the reality of the comic than an ability of Garfield's, but eh).
 
Mr._Bambu said:
In addition, I accept the Fear Hax feats as being actual feats, but feel they are more safely categorized as Social Influencing, as placing the resultant fear on the perceived threat of being clawed is much more sound than assuming Garfield has magical fear-related powers based on said claws, even taking into account inanimate objects being afraid (this is probably moreso the reality of the comic than an ability of Garfield's, but eh).
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Social Influencing would be fine if garfield didnt scare inanimate objects. That adds a supernatural in it showing us that it is indeed fear hax
 
ShionAH said:
Social Influencing would be fine if garfield didnt scare inanimate objects. That adds a supernatural in it showing us that it is indeed fear hax
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Fear Manipulation doesn't defaultly work on inanimate objects either. When we take into account that Garfield is given Toon Force, we are not required to presume his Social Influencing operates as Fear Manip.
 
ShionAH said:
Gnar Eating concepts off screen = CM 2
Garfield literally Ripping a concept out of reality = Nothing

Weird logic @Mr._Bambu
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Show me where the comic used the word "rip a concept out of reality", guy. Another person in this thread already suggested something I do think is a lot more sound given prior feats, that Garfield removed that time off the calendar, given his existent Age Manip feats.

I'll simply stop following the thread if it's going to come down to just constantly insisting on this feat being unreasonably interpreted for the LOLZ!!!!!!
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Fear Manipulation doesn't defaultly work on inanimate objects either. When we take into account that Garfield is given Toon Force, we are not required to presume his Social Influencing operates as Fear Manip.
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So you are saying Garfield having a supernatural fear manip with toon force is less likely than garfield somehow socially influencing inanimate objects with his claws? Also how is mind hax not being "serious" work? Its a toon obviously it isnt serious.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Show me where the comic used the word "rip a concept out of reality", guy. Another person in this thread already suggested something I do think is a lot more sound given prior feats, that Garfield removed that time off the calendar, given his existent Age Manip feats.
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Garfield rips monday out of the calinder. Next scene its the void showing mondays dont exist anymore- What else do you want?
Mr._Bambu said:
I'll simply stop following the thread if it's going to come down to just constantly insisting on this feat being unreasonably interpreted for the LOLZ!!!!!!
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Alright then- 💀
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Show me where the comic used the word "rip a concept out of reality", guy. Another person in this thread already suggested something I do think is a lot more sound given prior feats, that Garfield removed that time off the calendar, given his existent Age Manip feats.

I'll simply stop following the thread if it's going to come down to just constantly insisting on this feat being unreasonably interpreted for the LOLZ!!!!!!
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Yeah, seems like Time Manip if anything..
 
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