The entire thing is, again,
based on Dio being weaker than his Part 1 self due to Jonathan's body rejecting him. And as you can see, the regeneration is slowed on the left part of his body,
There's an issue with this, in that it's
only his left side, which indirectly means that his right side is functioning normally and is comparable to his Part 1 self, but we also know that while his left side isn't up to par, they specify explicitly for that to be the case with
immortality/healing, not power. And we see from his feats within Part 3 that his left and right side, at least when it comes to performance, aren't notably different in the slightest.
All that changed is his body's vulnerability on the left side, his body isn't perfectly immortal due to that, and he says so himself.
Also wanna point out how the raws say "弱い" for the word "weak", which doesn't mean weak in terms of strength or whatever, but rather, he's saying the left side of his body is more delicate, frail, etc, compared to the right, which the context and various other lines straight up tell us is talking about his immortality and invulnerability, not actual stats.
Sauce.
This can't be used as an argument for physical stats.
This is true, but he also becomes more powerful than his Part 3 self
and Part 1 self.
This isn't a good indication of anything, he gets stronger after drinking Joseph's blood, but how strong was he initially? He could be just as strong as his Part 1 self, and the statement would still be true, he's more powerful
than ever before.
Plus, DIO gets stronger every time he drinks blood, Joseph's just had a bunch of extra benefits and was better than most, though it is in part due to fixing the body rejecting him, this argument can't be used at all to say in this state he's now as strong as his Part 1 self after fixing it, because he's actually even stronger.
Bruh, that's a noncanon light novel written by the author of Monogatari with zero input from Araki and takes multiple liberties for the sake of compelling character writing and plot explanation. It's unusable, it's about as usable as Jorge Joestar in terms of canon.
Araki has stated DIO didn't use his vampiric powers in Part 3 simply because DIO felt they were outdated and The World was better.
And if you include other canons, in Capcom's game, DIO can use things like SRSE just fine even in Shadow, and in the Sound Drama, DIO actually uses some of his abilities.
This isn't support and if you bring in non-canon material, there's actually
more to say this isn't particularly true.
This argument is sussy af ngl, and leaves out an important piece of evidence, in that the latter DIO is bisected sure, but in the former, his head wasn't just "hit on the left side of his head",
his Brain was straight up destroyed by that punch (it's more explicit in the raws, but even in the album, DIO himself flat-out says "my brain was destroyed") and as we all know,
total destruction of the brain can kill a vampire. That even applies to Part 1 Dio, explicitly.
Star Platinum smashing his skull in and destroying his brain >> Merely having his brain cut in half (bisecting his body is a nonfactor, that isn't lethal in either incarnation), the damage of the former might not seem higher, but contextually, it is, and would have also put Part 1 Dio on his ass.
This also doesn't have any indication of strength even disregarding that context, because we all know his immortality was ******, they explicitly say as much, but power? No such thing, and as outlined already, stat wise, his left and right side aren't that different and if only his left side is ******, it means his right side isn't and by proxy, his left side stat wise can not be that different from his normal strength, merely healing.
So what (2)? Jojo is not your average Shonen in power creep, this is not Dragon Ball where everyone becomes stronger than the last arc, heck, Part 4 and 5 are generally weaker than Part 3 in physical power for example, so I do not see why would that contradict anything. We have already Part 2 as stronger than Part 3 in physical stats, so why shouldn't Part 1 too?
This one isn't even true, Part 3 would still be > Part 1.
We also don't have Part 2 as > Part 3 in terms of physical stats.
Star Platinum outstats all of Part 1 and 2 (ult dont count) from feats alone. And he absolutely dogwalks DIO and even High DIO.
But you are right, Araki has even gone on record stating he basically hates powercreep, and after Part 3 specifically, he started to tone shit down, and made it so even if you could throw a strong punch that doesn't mean you're actually strong or even someone weak could be dangerous, he even got some fanmail bitching about Kira not being shit compared to DIO.
Part 3 was the last real shounen-esque part of JoJo.
But objectively speaking this is wrong, even with the upgrade Part 3 >>> Part 1 still, and HIGH DIO >>> Part 1 Dio upgrade or not.
This is actually referring to The World, not DIO himself. Not that such a thing isn't true, it's just that scan is talking about HIGH The World.
Meaning that Part 1 Dio and everyone who scales from him should be MFTL, as it does not make sense for him becoming weaker than before, but also getting a bazzillion times faster outta nowhere.
DIO in Part 3 isn't even really any weaker, his immortality is ****** up, but that's
all they ever say, and to be specific, it's only his
left side that's ******, as in, his right side is fine.
Now despite all this, while I may not agree with the arguments presented and even find a few objectively out of context, I do lowkey agree, literally, no reason exists for why DIO in Part 3 would be faster than Part 1, he might not have gotten physically far weaker statwise, but it's not like he got any better either, he was kind of in a state of limbo, statwise they should be comparable and shit like "well he got a stand so he's faster" doesn't work unless stated.
And luckily, no real anti-feats exist, this would only scale to Peak Part 1 Dio (After he boosted his power via blood) and Post-Deep Pass Jonathan, fortunately, nobody scales to them, and in fact, they're multiple blitzes above the rest of the cast, see Tarkus literally nothin personnel'ing Will Zeppeli, and yet Post-Deep Jonathan and DIO both explicitly being faster than his peak speed.
Not even Petty or Dire scale, Dire was treated as a joke and only got a hit from Dio's blindspot while he was offguard and Dio assumed he was dead
most people dont live as just a head, besides Dio and Petty didn't do shit at all. Straizo also didn't do shit, in fact at the time he was kinda new to Hamon training and had far less training than Will be decades, who gets blitzed DBZ style by these two lads.
The only real arguments I can see is that Part 3 DIO drinking blood from a bunch of women everyday boosted his speed, given that's literally how it works, but it was also presented in Part 3 that due to his body rejecting him he was kind of in a state of limbo and he needed Joestar Blood in specific to fix the body and get a boost.
There's also how The World and DIO might have shared senses much like Plat and Jotaro, and thus DIO could mooch off TW's reactions, but that's never hinted at to be the case.
The last thing is how, narratively, Part 1 had no FTL shit and is only becoming that fast retroactively due to FTL shit becoming more of a thing down the line, because let's be real, while writing Part 1 Araki obviously had zero intention of Part 1 dudes being FTL, the issue comes with the fact he obviously wanted Part 3 dudes to be FTL like Plat, and DIO explicitly scales, and as such we have an intended FTL DIO and a not intended FTL Dio both scaling to each other because obviously. Though as an argument that's kind of a "who gives a shit lmao".
There are some issues with this tho, probably in part due to the narrative thing mentioned prior, but that's no fault of Jonathan or Dio (Part 1), so fuckm, Likely or flatout should be aight. But if we want to be conservative, possibly could work
just say that araki is a backpedaling mf and keep with what we got
Personally, I'm fine with likely MFTL reactions or whatever for those two. Nobody in Part 1 scales though, at all.
im already working on a jonathan and dio sandbox tho, with human keys and the fabled pipe bomb and swaying so would rather just update it then instead of now, would allow me to get all the relevant scans, interviews and what not cited as well. They're actually almost completely done, just need to gather hamon scans from part 2 that apply to Part 1 like certain mechanics to finish up.
Already discussing it with the boys in chat
which you're apart of
The conclusion was it checks out for them, but only them
