Classic Ben 10 UAFO Upgrades 2023

[The_one_you_least_expect]

dr psychobos shouldn’t just scale to brainstorm because there the same species consdering Ben’s aliens are the peak of the species

Weaker teachdon models shouldn’t scale to chromestone (atleast not that much) tbh. Considering Ben shrugged off all his blows and overpowered cash while holding back

 

[omegabronic]

Mutant frogs shouldn’t scale to Humngasaour, he straight up one shotted each of them

show scene?

dr psychobos shouldn’t just scale to brainstorm because there the same species consdering Ben’s aliens are the peak of the species

hence the "comparable" instead of "equal"

Weaker teachdon models shouldn’t scale to chromestone (atleast not that much) tbh. Considering Ben shrugged off all his blows and overpowered cash while holding back

he shruged the energy attacks via energy absortion hax, physically they were pretty even, chromastone had a miniscule advantage

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

show scene?


hence the "comparable" instead of "equal"


he shruged the energy attacks via energy absortion hax, physically they were pretty even, chromastone had a miniscule advantage

It’s in the scene u used as proof for scaling

My point is he shouldn’t scale period without proof besdies them being the same species

He litterly shrugged off cash ragdolling him . The suit had to repair itself just from getting physical overpower by a holding back chromestone

(1:57)
I’d hardly say that’s a “miniscule” advantage

 

[omegabronic]

It’s in the scene u used as proof for scaling

then there is numerous parts where it is shown that they scale

My point is he shouldn’t scale period without proof besdies them being the same species

they should, ben is a peak 16 year old, Dr psychobos is an adult, a teenager is not much stronger than an adult, and to say that they are in this case would need evidence

He litterly shrugged off cash ragdolling him . The suit had to repair itself just from getting physical overpower by a holding back chromestone

(1:57)
I’d hardly say that’s a “miniscule” advantage

can take attacks
can harm him

and as you pointed out, all of that was done while it was repairing itself, meaning that it was not at full strength, the very fact that it could harm chromastone while in a weakened state is enough to say that it scales

 

[DemonicDude]

It’s in the scene u used as proof for scaling

My point is he shouldn’t scale period without proof besdies them being the same species

He litterly shrugged off cash ragdolling him . The suit had to repair itself just from getting physical overpower by a holding back chromestone

(1:57)
I’d hardly say that’s a “miniscule” advantage

Don't know what the topic of conversation is but as far as Techadons are concerned.
This is the first ever Techadon we meet, Each Techadon is superior than before. This is a weaker Techadon model.

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Blog is done, the aliens that have "durability" specifically listed will gain a "possible" rating for their ap since most of them are not portraited as high defense walls and should likely scale to their durability

omniverse scaling

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Ester also survived attacks from Looma

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

dr psychobos shouldn’t just scale to brainstorm because there the same species consdering Ben’s aliens are the peak of the species

Also another thing to add, Psychobos is a mutated cerebrocrustacean so he should definitely compare. On top of that he casually overpowered both third form Malware and Khyber

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Don't know what the topic of conversation is but as far as Techadons are concerned.
This is the first ever Techadon we meet, Each Techadon is superior than before. This is a weaker Techadon model.

I’m pretty sure that only applies to the one volcanoes bought considering In omniverse Humngasaour tears threw them

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Also another thing to add, Psychobos is a mutated cerebrocrustacean so he should definitely compare. On top of that he casually overpowered both third form Malware and Khyber

Eh, being mutant dosen’t inheartly mean your better or comparable but if he did fold maleware and khyber then he should definitely scale

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

then there is numerous parts where it is shown that they scale


they should, ben is a peak 16 year old, Dr psychobos is an adult, a teenager is not much stronger than an adult, and to say that they are in this case would need evidence


can take attacks
can harm him

and as you pointed out, all of that was done while it was repairing itself, meaning that it was not at full strength, the very fact that it could harm chromastone while in a weakened state is enough to say that it scales

Wear exactly? because all I see his humngo folding them


And? Tetrax is an adult yet dimandhead is leagues above him

ya because it was litterly damaged just from grappling with chromestone and agian chromestone was still holding back and straight up said cash can’t beat him. Expect it never did lol, Ben litterly got back up like nothing happened and was wagging his finger.

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Eh, being mutant dosen’t inheartly mean your better or comparable but if he did fold maleware and khyber then he should definitely scale

That he did

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That he did

Ok ya that’s pretty nutty, but is maleware weak to electrity like regular mechamorphs?

 

[DemonicDude]

That he did

Is that a CRAB ?

 

[Starbrand_Fan]

Ok ya that’s pretty nutty, but is maleware weak to electrity like regular mechamorphs?

Oh yea, I guess he is. I forgot about that lol

 

[omegabronic]

Ester also survived attacks from Looma

Yeah, emphasis on "survived" she is nowhere near her level, i did not found it relevant for scale

Wear exactly? because all I see his humngo folding them

With visible effort

And? Tetrax is an adult yet dimandhead is leagues above him

It isn't, see hus part of the blog

ya because it was litterly damaged just from grappling with chromestone and agian chromestone was still holding back and straight up said cash can’t beat him. Expect it never did lol, Ben litterly got back up like nothing happened and was wagging his finger.

Ben being cocky means nothing, it coukd still harm him and ben had ro put visible effort in overpowering it, nothing says that he was holding back enough for it not to scale

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Yeah, emphasis on "survived" she is nowhere near her level, i did not found it relevant for scale


With visible effort


It isn't, see hus part of the blog



Ben being cocky means nothing, it coukd still harm him and ben had ro put visible effort in overpowering it, nothing says that he was holding back enough for it not to scale

What effort? He lays one out just by swinging it into a car

huh? He isn’t in the blog

it dose if he litterly shrugs off his opponents attack and keeps on talking smack. Where did it ever harm chromestone? Huh? He litterly didn’t want to fight and kept on trying to talk cash down there’s litterly no reason to scale him

 

[DemonicDude]

The one you expect the least is making SENSE

 

[omegabronic]

What effort? He lays one out just by swinging it into a car

That gets up not long after, also one harmed him with its tongue and another by bumping into him, also in the begining of the video he was putring effort

huh? He isn’t in the blog

Yes he is, look closely

it dose if he litterly shrugs off his opponents attack and keeps on talking smack.

still harmed him and matched him in the end while weakned and imcomplete

Where did it ever harm chromestone?

i the time stamps i linked?

Huh? He litterly didn’t want to fight and kept on trying to talk cash down there’s litterly no reason to scale him

He harmed him and can tank his attacks, plus he harmed kevin who scales anyway

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That gets up not long after, also one harmed him with its tongue and another by bumping into him, also in the begining of the video he was putring effort


Yes he is, look closely


still harmed him and matched him in the end while weakned and imcomplete



i the time stamps i linked?


He harmed him and can tank his attacks, plus he harmed kevin who scales anyway

It litterly lays there while Humngasaour takes out two more that’s not scaling worthy.huh? He was grossed out by it tounge. And? He was litterly choking it out

ok I found him and he also has some pretty bad justification

for the third time he didn’t Ben litterly shrugged it off and Ben overpowered him while holding back

hurting early Kevin means nothing for scaling to chromestone

 

[omegabronic]

It litterly lays there while Humngasaour takes out two more that’s not scaling worthy.

h gets up by the end of the video, and in the beggining of the video humoung was clearly putting effort in fighting it

huh? He was grossed out by it tounge.

the impact of it made him go back

And? He was litterly choking it out

While putting effort and was fighting it earlier

ok I found him and he also has some pretty bad justification

how so?

for the third time he didn’t Ben litterly shrugged it off

still harmed him and you repeating that he didn't won't change that

and Ben overpowered him while holding back

Not holding back enough to not scale, also can you stop ignoring that it was a weakened version of the robot?

hurting early Kevin means nothing for scaling to chromestone

Yes it does simce kevin directly scales to chromastone

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

h gets up by the end of the video, and in the beggining of the video humoung was clearly putting effort in fighting it


the impact of it made him go back


While putting effort and was fighting it earlier


how so?


still harmed him and you repeating that he didn't won't change that


Not holding back enough to not scale, also can you stop ignoring that it was a weakened version of the robot?


Yes it does simce kevin directly scales to chromastone

Maybe because his getting jumped but there clearly not on his level if his capable of knocking them with a punch

then I guess Humngasaour is equal to ultimate aggregor and Kevin is comparable to ult Humngasaour

He litterly just dodges him he doesn’t hurt him or anything

Then I guess you actually just want to ignore what blantly happened for your biases

I’m not ignoring anything I’m actually addressing the context of the fight which is Ben not even wanting to fight cash

since when?

 

[omegabronic]

Maybe because his getting jumped but there clearly not on his level if his capable of knocking them with a punch

he didn't knocked them out, but i suppose that i can put an "at most" for them, since they are not on his level, but they can clearly give him some trouble

then I guess Humngasaour is equal to ultimate aggregor and Kevin is comparable to ult Humngasaour

what the hell are you talking about? in aggregors case we have clear statements that he took no damage, here we do not

He litterly just dodges him he doesn’t hurt him or anything

he grunts in pain

grunts in pain again

Then I guess you actually just want to ignore what blantly happened for your biases

this is not an argument, i can say the same thing to you, let us agree to disagree and have others decide then

I’m not ignoring anything I’m actually addressing the context of the fight which is Ben not even wanting to fight cash

yeah, because ben does not want to kill cash or seriosly hurt him, but he still very clearly gets somewhat hurt by its attacks, and cash can tank his attacks as well

since when?

see the kevin part of the blog

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

he didn't knocked them out, but i suppose that i can put an "at most" for them, since they are not on his level, but they can clearly give him some trouble


what the hell are you talking about? in aggregors case we have clear statements that he took no damage, here we do not


he grunts in pain

grunts in pain again


this is not an argument, i can say the same thing to you, let us agree to disagree and have others decide then


yeah, because ben does not want to kill cash or seriosly hurt him, but he still very clearly gets somewhat hurt by its attacks, and cash can tank his attacks as well


see the kevin part of the blog

Because they jumped him and even then he was one tapping each of them

Dosen’t matter since he moved him, besides Kevin I guess also scale to ult Humngasaour now

Ya he also grunts when punching them or when picking up a car

(0:28)
Or when throwing aggregor around

(0:10)
I doubt he was actually struggling or getting hurt in any of this instances

It is but sure we can agree to disagree

Ben seemed pretty fine so I doubt it

you mean when Kevin was mutanted

 

[omegabronic]

Because they jumped him and even then he was one tapping each of them

he wasn't one tapping them, they can get up shortly after

Dosen’t matter since he moved him

we assumed that someone being capable of moving another character and making them grunt is hurting, unless we have statements of otherwise, in aggregor's we do, here we don't

besides Kevin I guess also scale to ult Humngasaour now

him scaling to ultimate hum makes him scale to ultimate kevin which generates circular scaling, we can't use it for this very reason

Ya he also grunts when punching them or when picking up a car

different circuntances, if they attacked him, made him go back, and made him grunt from it, then it is reasonable to say that he was hurt, him grunting from other stuff does not matter for this instance

(0:28)
Or when throwing aggregor around

(0:10)
I doubt he was actually struggling or getting hurt in any of this instances

in aggregors case he mostly likely was since he was hitting someone 6 times more durable than him while going all out and basically blood dusted

It is but sure we can agree to disagree

it isn't, but let us have other decide about the frog scaling
btw what is your suggestion for them then?

Ben seemed pretty fine so I doubt it

ben mocks even when he is losing, him mocking proves nothing tbh

you mean when Kevin was mutanted

you mean when he was forcefully armored all the time, we already make that kevin scales to his normal armor since it is just him using the armor all the time

 

[DemonicDude]

Mannn I wish I could be like Aggregor one day.

 

[Firestorm808]

What has been updated since my last reply?

 

[Reiner04]

What has been updated since my last reply?

This is the scaling chain created by @omegabronic needed to be evaluated.

omniverse scaling

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[Firestorm808]

Will read and review when available.

 

[DemonicDude]

Thank you Firestorm

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Yeah this works for me.

 

[Reiner04]

When we are revising all the aliens anyway, will not it be better to give them abilities comes to them inherently via omnitrix?
Like resistance towards body possession, mind control, corruption?

 

[DemonicDude]

When we are revising all the aliens anyway, will not it be better to give them abilities comes to them inherently via omnitrix?
Like resistance towards body possession, mind control, corruption?

The already have it to, It's clearly mentioned on each alien page they have resistances of OMNITRIX

https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-alien-intelligence-and-feats-addition-with-scans.133846/

 

[Reiner04]

The already have it to, It's clearly mentioned on each alien page they have resistances of OMNITRIX

https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-alien-intelligence-and-feats-addition-with-scans.133846/

It's not mentioned in the profiles because all of aliens lacks those resistances. Ex: four arms page.

Four Arms

Four Arms is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Tetramand from the planet Khoros. Tier: 5-A | 5-A Key: Original Series | Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse Name: Four Arms Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Alien, Tetramand Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical...

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[DemonicDude]

Well duhh they LACKS it since OMNITRIX is the one that provides those resistances not aliens themselves.

 

[Reiner04]

Well duhh they LACKS it since OMNITRIX is the one that provides those resistances not aliens themselves.

And they're Ben's aliens as per profile summary themselves, even in vs matches we assume each alien to have ben intelligence in least, it makes no sense for Ben's aliens to not have resistances provided by omnitrix. They aren't independent of omnitrix and so, not the normal aliens.

 

[DemonicDude]

And they're Ben's aliens as per profile summary themselves, even in vs matches we assume each alien to have ben intelligence in least, it makes no sense for Ben's aliens to not have resistances provided by omnitrix. They aren't independent of omnitrix and so, not the normal aliens.

What are you even talking about ? They indeed have Ben's intelligence and Ben's resistances which are clearly mentions on most of their pages)

 

[DemonicDude]

Look at NRG Profile.

NRG

NRG? Ha ha. NRG is G-O-O-D!NRG NRG is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Prypiatosian-B from the planet Prypiatos in the Andromeda Galaxy. Tier: 5-C, possibly Low 5-B, Unknown with Energy Absorption Name: NRG Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Unknown Classification: Alien, Prypiatosian-B Powers and...

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[Reiner04]

What are you even talking about ? They indeed have Ben's intelligence and Ben's resistances which are clearly mentions on most of their pages)

They also should have resistances provided by omnitrix in P&A section to be listed, so we can know in the vs matches that what resistances omnitrix provides to them. It being in note section many times gets ignored.

 

[DemonicDude]

They also should have resistances provided by omnitrix in P&A section to be listed, so we can know in the vs matches that what resistances omnitrix provides to them. It being in note section many times gets ignored.

That's a minor fix that I'll do, Once use P.C they are already accepted I'll write it better in Power and abilities.(Leave it to me)

 

[Reiner04]

That's a minor fix that I'll do, Once use P.C they are already accepted I'll write it better in Power and abilities.(Leave it to me)