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Thought cold cloths limit was AZ iirc*
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I ask here to approve the page I created for Ophiuchus Odysseus
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Ok... let me ask you something: should I use "tabber" to separate the Attack Pottency, Speed, Lifting Strength... of Odysseus and Asclepius, or is that not necessary?
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I will add the scans yes. Removed here. Doesn't he have Inducement to Paralysis? I thought he had...
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nah i recommend aganist that just use | to separate ody and aslcepius
he might have it. its been a very long time since i went through ND
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What do you mean reactions of immeasurable speed? I put it according to what you put in the speed of Seiya and the gods.
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Alscpeius should have that because he is seeing Athena time traveling and he was reacting to it. He saw Athena doing the action of time traveling, and also saw her doing the time traveling before she did the action of time traveling.
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Okay, but I'll put it how? Infinite Speed Okay, but how will I put it? Infinite Speed (Could observe Athena before she took time travel action and could react before she arrived in time) like this?
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I'll respond to tgos tomorrow alright?
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No problem, good night.
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Infinite speed (Gods have infinite cosmo, and increases in cosmo level increases speed), immeasurable speed reactions (was able to see the action of Athena Time Traveling, and even saw Athena Time Traveling before she did the act of time traveling.)
If you want to stick to the infinite speed that is okay too.
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Okay, I put it exactly as I said. I kept the immeasurable speed with reactions, I made a post on Imgur about what you said, see if it's good like this:
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It's cause there's a third key at least i saw?
Overall seems fine if missing some scans.
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should their be a 3rd key for the silver saint stuff? i don't think we have enough information though on that.
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We don't have enough information and it would be impossible. It is no longer easy to create the Asclepius key, as its powers are still hidden.
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Do you have time? if you can make some modifications, I put scans proving the arguments. Still missing some. but was the Speed that I put cool? and by the way, I could be wrong but the immeasurable speed of Saint Seiya here at VSB has not been proven.
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I never did profile creation before but I thought there was a rule about if something is very straightforward with a new profile ot can be used?
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I thought you were the one who created profiles, I don't know how to speak English, but I understand more or less, all I do around here is translate through google, so I'm having a little trouble, but I'm managing to create the profile, even if it takes time a little more.
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This new rule then, is to create a complete profile. That's why I see some profiles that are a little out of date on Next Dimension around here.
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In a bit ill look at it again.
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I think we still need to put some Abilities / resistances of Odysseus, as well as put some more scans. Yesterday I put a lot.
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Did it work for you to look at the profile again?
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after this i'll be very sparsely available until monday
After this comment. I will become a rare sight until Monday.
(The golden saint are capable of destroying at the atomic level destroying particles that are smaller than Quarks) grammar and sentence structure change
"removed and expelled Abel's soul that shared his body with Cain" - This should be biological/biology manipulation not soul manipulation imo
(Can hit the vital points on the body that are in the shape of the constellation that the person was born under) - sentenc estructure change
also it should be "unconventional Pressure points" because its additional pressure points that we don't have irl
The Sleep manipulation should be for Asclepius and should be passive, actually wasn't it law based sleep manipulation now that im thinking about it?
Transmutation justification should be Biology/biological manipulation
Body control should be "limited shapeshifting"
Holy Manipulation ((Divine Cosmos user) - remove the double parentheses
Passives should include passive matter and soul manipulation (destruction) because their aura is made of pure cosmo
At least Galaxy level, Universe level+when using his maximum power, At least Universe level+ Should be changed into this
Striking Strength: At least Galaxy level, Universe level+ when burning his 7th sense to the utmost limit, Universal level+ for stopping the entire Universe during its resurrection. - Is that other Universe level+ at the end supposed to be for Alscepius? There needs to be a key for Alsceipus here
Durability: At least Galaxy level, Universe level+ (He received Cain's attack, which is capable of decimating galaxies, and returned to battle) At least Galaxy level, Universe level+ when burning his 7th sense to the utmost limit Should be changed into
Stamina should be Infinite on both keys
Intelligence should be "Above Average likely Genius" for odyessues" while Alscepius should be "Nigh-Omniscient" due to his passive cosmic awareness.
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Plenty of things to edit. I hope the profile will be ready soon. I'll edit these things you told me, then I'll let you know when it's ready. Thank you very much
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I didn't understand your question, but now I put Sleep Manipulation for Asclepius and passive.
I didn't quite understand what you're saying. Is Transmutation actually Biological Manipulation? So I merged it here with the other feats of Biological Manipulation.
"Passive Matter"? I put it here in the Passives, but I don't know if it's right.
"Soul Manipulation (Destruction)" ? I didn't understand either, but I put it here, I don't know if it's right. Well the rest of what you said I fixed.
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i am busy today. it will be tomorrow when i look over this again..
im sorry about this..
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I understand you, I made a mistake here, I meant "Sleep Manipulation". I edited it here, and I think most of what you told me worked.
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I hope today you can see how the profile is. Good afternoon
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in about a couple of hours i'll have time to give it a detailed look
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Ophiuchus Odysseus
I would recommend that you bold the "High-Mid" for regeneration. Also do the same for Type 3 immortality
Matter Manipulation (The golden saint are capable of destroying at the micro-atomic level by destroying particles that are smaller than Quarks)
- added the word "by" in there so that the sentence flows better in English. added the word "micro" and combined it with atomic as well to put emphasis that its smaller than atom destruction.
I redid durability justification for ya
Redid the renage justification for you
Asclepius
I recommend bolding his types and "mid-godly" regen for any ability that has a "Type"
but overall its looking better, i'll come back tomorrow with some more stuff
im sorry i been busy..
I would recommend that you bold the "High-Mid" for regeneration. Also do the same for Type 3 immortality
Matter Manipulation (The golden saint are capable of destroying at the micro-atomic level by destroying particles that are smaller than Quarks)
- added the word "by" in there so that the sentence flows better in English. added the word "micro" and combined it with atomic as well to put emphasis that its smaller than atom destruction.
I redid durability justification for ya
Redid the renage justification for you
Asclepius
I recommend bolding his types and "mid-godly" regen for any ability that has a "Type"
but overall its looking better, i'll come back tomorrow with some more stuff
im sorry i been busy..
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Excellent thank you. I'm going to add this here on Ophiuchus' profile, very soon this profile will be approved.
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I've already made all those changes you asked for. The profile is better now. Should I really use "All above and..." in the Asclepius key? Because some abilities and resistances repeat. I don't know if this is a problem.
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Anything else to change?
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Odysseus was able to rebuild his body when he was torn apart by cain after he used Galaxian Explosion.
I recommend that as a rewording here.
This should be removed, and given to intangibility
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"All previous abilities in addition too,"
Question, wasn't their something about Asclepius being history from history somewhere?
other than that its starting to look a lot better
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Asclepius is not a god, he is just a very powerful mortal, who tried to become a god in the past and for that he was punished. It is because he can see all the movements of the universe, this has nothing to do with his reaction and simply indicates that he has some kind of precognition and limited omniscience.
And basically Asclepius has more and better abilities than the gods, being a mortal that dominates the senses and the cosmos, acquiring a better control of it, something that the gods do not have (they are just beings of great power and that's all), although he still does not have the power of a god, although the serpents mention that Asclepius will become a god after his resurrection, although they have not yet explained how he will become one.
Asclepius can enter and leave the Underworld without the protection or permission of Hades, therefore, he has that sense, something that not even the gods possess, because we already know that even Athena needs to awaken this sense to enter that place.
Asclepius does not have that level of regeneration, at best he has only low-godly regeneration, a regeneration far superior to that of the gods, who have no regeneration at all.
It is better to separate the canon profiles with Episode.G, and that is not really the speed of these characters, because the Gold Saints are only ligthspeed and can only reach FTL speed for a few seconds with a miracle. Also, Odysseus at base (before Asclepius' possession) should only be mach 2 to 5, because he is only a Silver Saint.follow the profile below:
Massively FTL+ (Comparable to Shijima) normally, Massively FTL+ through Miracles (Powerscaling from Capricorn Shura) |
Odysseus does not have this level of regeneration, even Cain mentions that Odysseus could not survive after his body was torn to pieces, and only survived thanks to the fact that he is using the powers of Asclepius.
Odysseus is not a Gold Saint, he is only a Silver Saint. Asclepius is a Gold Saint and the most powerful and feared Saint of the Sanctuary, so by possessing Odysseus I grant him that rank and his armor.
The last part is only the power of Asclepius, not Odysseus.
This is part of the power of Asclepius.
I don't remember Odysseus using telepathy or teleportation in any scene.
It's only a Silver Saint, so it doesn't have the 7th Sense.
Place this as limited healing or a better description of this ability. Odysseus only began to heal with magical powers after the possession of Asclepius, before this he used his blood and various medicines to heal, probably his best healing feat was transplanting a lion's heart into a person. In addition, you should also add medical knowledge among his abilities.
He did not use any illusion, he only hypnotized Gestal to make him believe that he had resurrected his horse as part of his body, and it was Gestal's own psyche, who projected this illusion to everyone else. In short, the illusion was created by Gestalt and Odysseus only hypnotized him.
Actually there is no indication that he distorted or modified his body, and it simply seems that Kurumada wanted to draw in that scene the character moving fast and dodging the blows, so it seems as if he distorted when he saw his rival.
The destruction of the universe is not part of Asclepius' power, let alone Odysseus', this is caused by Athena's time travel and distortion in space and time, which is destroying the universe. Odysseus has no destructive power feat, it is even mentioned that he does not attack and does not use techniques. And in the case of Asclepius just put some powerscaling with the Virgo or Gemini Saint on the page.
Asclepius is not a god, his sin was to have tried to become one, and according to the snakes he will become one, but he has not yet awakened and we do not know how he will become a god, it is even likely that he will use Saori for this.
Odysseus' best feat was only surviving (badly wounded) the impact of some rocks and falling into the lava during the eruption of a volcano, probably his durability is higher with his armor, but this is unknown. And after Asclepius' possession, he does not completely resist the Galaxian Explosion, as it destroys his body and he only survives thanks to his regeneration, therefore, his best feat is only that this technique did not reduce him to dust.
Saints have no resistance to illusions, that is why the basic illusion created by the barrier in the Gemini Temple works on many of them, and they also have no resistance to dream manipulation, even hypnotherapy or Hypnos powers work on them.
And the last four resistances are only due to the power of Asclepius.
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he does tank the Light speed ryu sei ken, so he would have gold saint scaling. The lava stuff is when he was a silver, it shouldn’t really have any bearing on his present stats.
is there anything suggesting it’s not a distortion of the body? im pretty sure very fast movement is never portrayed like that before by kuru.
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It was actually a FTL attack, and Tenma was amplified by Suikyo's cosmos and the cosmos granted by his armor (because now armor can grant power, if they fight for Athena and justice, Kurumada's explanation of all the times the Saints accomplish a feat beyond their limits, like Shaina intercepting Aiolia's attack to protect Seiya), so this is probably his best feat at the moment, although at this point Odysseus is almost completely possessed by Asclepius (even the preview of the next chapters, Odysseus changes his appearance), so he's much stronger than before.
The page is separated into Odysseus and Odysseus possessed by Asclepius, therefore, Odysseus is only a Silver Saint with knowledge in medicine, and the version we are seeing in the story is when he is possessed by Asclepius (the possession is at least 50% at the beginning of his journey in the Sanctuary and at present he is likely to be almost completely possessed).
In the first frames we can see Odysseus moving between the blows (even creating afterimages in that scene) and then he draws the scene distorted, it's just a simplified way to show that Odysseus moves super fast to dodge all the blows.
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Haven’t they always done that?
And I see your point with the afterimages
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It is not such a massive increase in power, the original idea is that the Cloth becomes stronger as the user's cosmos increases (even the Bronze Saints reached the strength of a Gold Saint, without their Cloths, because these were destroyed in their battle), but in this case, the Cloth grants a great increase in power to its user, even if he does not have such a powerful cosmos, that is why Tenma went from being a simple Bronze Saint to someone even more powerful than a Gold Saint with the power granted by his armor. Basically, now even a Bronze Cloth can grant for a few seconds to a Bronze Saint a power equivalent or superior to a Gold Saint, as long as he fights for justice and for Athena. In short, it is Kurumada's explanation to all those scenes or inconsistencies in which the Saints showed a power superior to what their rank allows them, such as Shaina being faster than Aiolia (to the point that he says he didn't see her), Shaina intercepting Sagittarius' Arrow and surviving its impact, or Jabu, Shaina, Marin and company blocking Thanatos' attack.
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I think the best description of Asclepius is that he is a Demigod. After all, he is the son of the god Apollo and a human.
In fact, Asclepius' abilities are below the Olympian gods, as he is inferior to an Olympian god. Because he is the god of medicine, yes he has medicinal skills that are superior to others, after all he is a doctor. But it doesn't mean he has better skills than the gods. Each god has a different ability, his highlight is in the area of medicine.
I agree in parts, I believe he does have the 8th sense, but as a key was separated for Asclépios, he already received these skills when I updated. Well, that still leaves doubts, because Poseidon himself with his power sent the armors through hell, hyperdimension and the elyses.
The gods have no regeneration at all?? like this ??
Well, the Gold Saints at the base have the speed of light, and have accomplishments far superior to that. And actually I think it would be better if we left just one key, because it's like Asclepius and Odysseus have merged into one, becoming one. And besides not having any png art of Odysseus as a silver knight, we never saw him as a silver knight, it was only mentioned that in the past he was one.
But they are the same, Asclepius was resurrected in the body of Odysseus. That's why it's confusing, it would be better to leave only one key.
We don't have a basis to make Odysseus a silver knight, because that's what he was in the past, we never saw him wearing that silvercloth.
Well actually I was able to reread that part of the destruction of the universe. The universe only began to destroy itself at the moment of Odysseus' resurrection, and this probably would not have happened if he had not been resurrected. Odysseus had told the Pope that the reason for this misalignment in the constellations would be the work of Asclepius, but the Pope said that all these catastrophic events that are happening in the universe are because of Athena's actions. However, before he said that, he had said that Asclepius would not be able to escape from Tartarus and that he would not be able to resurrect. He even mentioned that all the constellations in the universe were obeying Serpentarium. So there's a doubt in the air... but if we're not absolutely sure, then we shouldn't apply this feat to Asclepius/Odysseus.
I believe that Asclepius is a demigod, because he is the son of the god Apollo, it may even be that Apollo fits better in this story, because they are father and children. But in short, Asclepius is the god of medicine. Probably he wants to become a superior god.
If I'm not mistaken... he wasn't even a knight when this happened. About him not resisting the Galactic Explosion... don't you think Odysseus did all that on purpose? after all, he was practically testing Cain from Gemini, he received the full blow and demonstrated to Cain that he can regenerate from such an attack.
I apologize for taking so long to respond, I was busy and only noticed later that I had new messages. I'm also typing and translating on a website because I don't speak English, although I understand a little, so if some words I type here don't sound right, it must be because of that.
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In Saint Seiya, Asclepius is not a demigod and neither is he the son of Apollo, he is just a mortal or Saint with great power and great abilities who was named as a god by the people, and this caused him to become arrogant and try to become a god, something that provoked the fury of the gods and caused him to be banished from the Sanctuary and thrown to Tartarus.
In fact, he is not even a god, but in terms of abilities he has more and better abilities than the gods, only his healing abilities far surpass Athena's mediocre healing abilities, among other abilities that he possesses and the gods do not, such as, to cite an example, his impressive regeneration. In terms of power is where he is inferior to the Olympian Gods such as, for example, Athena and Hades. But in terms of abilities and probably also fighting style (since he is a Saint and is trained for combat) he is superior, since the gods of this series do not stand out for a great fighting style (being quite clumsy when fighting and simply attack with energy beams or move their weapons without any style) and their whole way of fighting is based on overwhelming their opponents with their great power. In fact, this was the main reason why Seiya and company defeated Thanatos and Hypnos, because the Saints' superior ability made them able to adapt to their opponents' techniques, something Hypnos and Thanatos cannot do, because the gods are clumsy fighters and only defeat their opponents with their superior power.
He protected the armors with his cosmos, but he did not enter that place in any way, even the armors also entered that place without anyone's help. The Underworld only prevents living beings from entering that place alive and souls from possessing power (no matter if you are a god or a mortal, only those who have the protection of and those who have awakened the 8th Sense can enter and leave alive), but nothing prevents a cosmos or the armors themselves from entering.
The gods have no regeneration, so the goal of the Saints was to enter the Underworld and destroy the body of Hades to end the Holy War forever. The original objective was basically to destroy the body and that this god could never recover it in any way, so that Hades could never fulfill his objective and the conflict would end. The gods cannot regenerate a body from nothing and neither can they recover a body after receiving great damage, at most we saw some rather mediocre healing powers from Athena, something that could give them a very basic regeneration to heal serious, but not mortal wounds.
Odysseus possessed by Asclepius (a rate above 50%) has feats to dodge the attacks of the Gold Saints, so he is easily FTL, and the Gold Saints can only exceed the speed of light at a key moment and for a few seconds, and these are only on rare occasions and basically only with a miracle.
Asclepius and Odysseus are not becoming one, it is just that Asclepius has not yet fully possessed Odysseus' body, and that is why Odysseus' personality is still dominant, but once fully possessed, Asclepius will take control of Odysseus' body, something that will probably happen in the next chapters and that is why the drastic change in Odysseus' appearance.
Then it would be better to create an Asclepius page and not an Odysseus one, because Asclepius is the one who is really powerful and the one who is granting most of the abilities that Odysseus is using after his resurrection, since Odysseus is a simple Silver Saint, with some healing abilities based on traditional and basic medicine, like using healing plants or blood transfusions.
If it were only a page for Asclepius it would only be divided with two keys, one for Asclepius' soul and one for Asclepius with Odysseus' body.
The changes in time started even before Athena came to the past as Asclepius explains, only now they are stronger and this is endangering the universe, that's why the Pope, Suikyo and Odysseus planned to kill the Athena of the future to avoid the destruction of the universe, even the Pope gave Ikki the Sword of Chrysus to kill Athena and avoid the destruction of the universe, even Dohko who heard Suikyo's last words is going through the Sanctuary to kill Athena and avoid the destruction of the universe.
The appearance of the 13th Gold Saint is only a product of this distortion, that's why he appeared at that moment when the universe is being destroyed, because Asclepius is taking advantage of this anomaly to escape from his prison in the Tartarus, but he is not responsible for this anomaly and the real cause is Athena and her time travel, because it seems that altering the space and time in this universe, can lead everything to destruction.
He is not the son of Apollo in the universe of Saint Seiya and is only a Saint who is called Asclepius and existed at the time of the myth, it is likely that he is only like Aphro who has the name of a goddess, but is not related in any way with this one.
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