Arcker123
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Masked Terror Vs Hell
- Both 9-A
- Speed =
- Gin told me Scorp can win so
- Both are surprisingly similar characters
- SBA Otherwise
- Corvo is .13 tons
- Scoprion is .09 tons
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Corvo Attano Vs Scorpion (Dishonored Vs MK)
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Imo it really comes down to how likely is Scorpion to BFR since I feel like Corvo could kill him with the whole ashify thing and bypass his immortality if he's not careful.
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Yeah if Scoprion doesn't really have anything immortality based to defend against that he kinda just dies lol. Voting Corvo if it's not a stomp
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Iirc Scorpion would only BFR if bloodlusted, anyway Corvo via Za Warudo
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None of his spells require hand movement
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Bend Time clearly requires hand movement in actual gameplay, even within cutscenes it requires hand movement. Maybe something in the novels retconned it but if we're going off purely the games then it definitely requires hand movement for activation.
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In the comics, books, and even in the games themselves they dont specifically require hand movement, only thought, even in dishonored 1 daud was able to timestop and teleport just by thinking, the only thing that needed hand movement was telekinesis for obvious reasons
Curious to hear your explanation
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Just because they don't specify it's a limitation doesn't mean it isn't a limitation, that's an argument from silence. If we're consistently shown within the games that Corvo requires hand movements to activate his abilities than we should assume it requires hand movements to activate. Simple as.
- Evidence?
- Doesn't matter since Corvo isn't Daud, so Daud's usage of the ability doesn't debunk nor negate the constant showings of Corvo's abilities.
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Because its not a limitation and is never shown to be a limitation, its not an argument from silence its you extrapolating something that isnt a weakness and claiming that it is when its never shown to be one. We arent shown consistently that he requires hand movements, its the opposite. You dont need to assume he needs to move his hands to use it because he has shown dozens of times that he does not need to.
My guy, theyre literally identical powers. Every user of the Outsider's Mark activates it the same way.
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It's clearly shown in the games multiple times that Corvo requires hand movements to activate his ability, this is shown in gameplay and even in cutscenes. The onus would be on you to prove why this isn't a limitation despite the fact Corvo consistently needs to do this movement for the ability to activate. It definitely is an argument from silence, just saying it isn't doesn't mean it actually isn't. As you're making the claim that "since it isn't stated to be a limitation in the games, comics or novels then that means isn't a limitation", which is the direct dictionary definition of an argument from silence as you're basing that conclusion off the absence of a statement in those sources.
I'm "extrapolating" this inherent weakness because it isn't shown otherwise, you do understand we based arguments off of logic correct? if something is consistently shown to be the case, then we should assume it to be the case. You haven't provided an actual valid contradiction which proves it isn't the case.
We're consistently shown if you've actually played the games before, Corvo and Daud in Dishonored 1 have to bring their hands down to activate the ability, in Dishonored 2 Corvo needs to bring his hand down to activate the ability. All of these instances prove my claim while directly contradicting yours.
Provide evidence for the "dozens of times" claim, since that's directly contradicted by both the gameplay and cutscenes in both games which show Corvo and other people with Bend Time need to bring their hand down to activate the ability.
Them being "identical powers" =/= them having the same activation requirement.
But i'm actually not going to even make that argument, rather i'm instead going to re-ask you to prove your claim again like i proved my claim above. If you can't do this then concede the debate.
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Weekly just posts scans of him doing it without a gesture, it's as easy as that, no need to make an argument out of it.
Even if not implicated or stated to be required, if he does it every time, there's still the argument of it being in character, just show him not doing it once or twice and call it a day.
Even if not implicated or stated to be required, if he does it every time, there's still the argument of it being in character, just show him not doing it once or twice and call it a day.
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Here are instances from the comic, can grab scans from the novels tomorro
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Its not even an issue of it being in character or not, its literally just not a weakness of the verse's magic system and has never been shown or stated as such, Deceived is making the massive assumption of 'Corvo moves his hand slightly in-game when his powers activate, therefore if he cant move his hand he cant use his magic' when that isnt a thing and has never been a thing. Hell Corvo can use his magic while telekinetically restrained by Whalers.
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I deadass don't see any usage of Bend Time in those scans ngl. Maybe it's because i'm sleep deprived rn but i don't see Corvo using Bend Time in any of these scans.
Here are instances from the comic, can grab scans from the novels tomorro
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Bend Time works on the same mechanics as all of his other powers
Lowkey saying that he needs to move his hand to use Bend Time when all his other powers dont require it is like saying that Dio needs to T-Pose to stop time with The World
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No..... just no, that's such a false equivalency. I'll explain later since i'm too tired to debate rn, especially about such a goofy topic like this.
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Either way Corvo just does za warudo and nails Scorpion from there gg tbh it was why I used Emily against the courier instead lol
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This match is more thematic OvO...
This is just not a good argument. I'm not invested in this debate but this is just a strawman. He's just saying that Corvo has demonstrably shown to move his hands to timestop in every instance he uses it so it's reasonable to assume he has to use it. That's all.
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I mean, whether or not it requires a hand movement for Corvo to activate Time Hax doesn't really matter, from what I can see. Corvo has, from what I'm seeing from his PnA section, multiple other ways to outdo Scorpion.
Though, I'm not knowledgeable on Dishonored, so, what spells does Corvo usually use in combat?
Though, I'm not knowledgeable on Dishonored, so, what spells does Corvo usually use in combat?
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Loves to spam teleportation to stab you or escape stuff.
Tbh he's pretty versatile but time stop and teleport is a solid go to option. Though usually I feel like people won't even see him in action.
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Guess it's more the "Hand movement" to activate abilities thing.
Also it's pretty obvious that Corvo's hand glowed there but no movement was necessary on that comic so uh. Yeah this is an unfair battle.
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I am literally crying.
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Not even bold abilities either smh
The chain thing sadly is wrong. Tbh I thought it was true at first too then I realized featsBullet points are Garbo idk what you’re talm bout.
Damn. Only doing this because I had a friend who said Scorpio can win.
Scores also has his own teleport and outranges at sba.
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Problem is he demonstrably shows that he does not need to, which I have posted scans of.
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I literally posted multiple scans of him not needing to move his hand to do magic, which includes bend time
Again, that's like saying dio needs to t post to stop time with the world
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It's the same application for all of his magic
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Because they need something to show the activation of the powers. Like I said and then later showed, he does not need hand movements to activate his powers, his magic is not like thanos' infinite gauntlet where he needs full mobility of his hand in order to use his powers, it's entirely thought-based
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To be fair, in all these cases the hand could have been moved, but it is not shown thanks to the limitation of a comic
Here are instances from the comic, can grab scans from the novels tomorro
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