CLEANSE YOUR SINS WITH [Soup]

[Peppersalt43]

Best Boy : 0
Sad Boy : 0
Incon : 0

Speed equalized
Starting distance is 10 meters
First key Giovanni used

 

[Peppersalt43]

Ah, the first bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Chariot190]

Axl Ro doesn't really work in matches, it's basically a forced inconclusive with him no matter what.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

this was clickbait for a spamton match smh

 

[Peppersalt43]

Axl Ro doesn't really work in matches, it's basically a forced inconclusive with him no matter what.

Before I begin my discussion I must ask first

Doesn't Axl know how his stand works? Why the heck does he kill his opponent if they can get back up? Wouldn't it be better for him to just knock them out?

Anyway allow me to explain why this works
1. Civil War's illusions are erased by water. Soup contains water and Giovanni can make a ton of it
2. Giovanni is a stand-up guy and would likely not kill Axl even if he needs to take him out. Plus he's 10-B physically
3. However his 13th attack is always a 9-B meaning he can very well accidentally kill Axl and I'm not sure if that is enough to resurrect him

 

[Chariot190]

He's well aware of how it works. And he doesn't kill his foe, he killed Johnny on impulse because Johnny was about to destroy the corpse of Jesus Christ, Axl was basically forced into killing Johnny when he otherwise wouldn't and was even escaping.

I'm not sure soup would work, the lore behind water is that "water is pure" and some religious undertones and all that, soup might be a liquid, but I wouldn't call it water or pure, after all it isn't like sweat works either.

If you kill Axl Ro and it can't be justified and if you feel guilt at all, it takes effect. The only times it doesn't is if the killing was completely justified and you feel no guilt, for example, killing him to save someone else's life.

 

[Peppersalt43]

He's well aware of how it works. And he doesn't kill his foe, he killed Johnny on impulse because Johnny was about to destroy the corpse of Jesus Christ, Axl was basically forced into killing Johnny when he otherwise wouldn't and was even escaping.

Oh dang, that explains a lot

I'm not sure soup would work, the lore behind water is that "water is pure" and some religious undertones and all that, soup might be a liquid, but I wouldn't call it water or pure, after all it isn't like sweat works either.

Oh seriously? Huh, OK then

If you kill Axl Ro and it can't be justified and if you feel guilt at all, it takes effect. The only times it doesn't is if the killing was completely justified and you feel no guilt, for example, killing him to save someone else's life.

Wait a second, I might be wrong but wasn't Johnny's companions getting choked by the illusions in the background and Johnny himself was trying to protect himself from Axl's attacks? Or was he attacking Axl just to get the corpse part and that's why he gets to revive?

 

[Chariot190]

Wait a second, I might be wrong but wasn't Johnny's companions getting choked by the illusions in the background and Johnny himself was trying to protect himself from Axl's attacks? Or was he attacking Axl just to get the corpse part and that's why he gets to revive?

Johnny was doing both. But if you feel guilt, even a tad, you get ****** too.

Also Johnny is a asshole, canonically. As I said it has to be justified and without guilt, it isn't one or the other.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Johnny was doing both. But if you feel guilt, even a tad, you get ****** too.

Also Johnny is a asshole, canonically. As I said it has to be justified and without guilt, it isn't one or the other.

OK then. I'll see if I can salvage this

1. Does Civil War's effects still go on if Axl is knocked out?
2. Can the illusions be seen by a non-stand user?

Mainly because as I've said before, Giovanni doesn't kill in-character and he does have some hood mobility and ranged options

 

[Chariot190]

They go on even if he dies, his Stand is sentient, it can also shapeshift into and hide among the illusions (the rat was actually the Stand, at some points anyway, confirmed in guide).

The illusions presumably can be seen by anyone, they aren't stands.

 

[Peppersalt43]

They go on even if he dies, his Stand is sentient, it can also shapeshift into and hide among the illusions (the rat was actually the Stand, at some points anyway, confirmed in guide).

Ah, so that's why he always causes incon

OK, now I get it

 

[Chariot190]

No it's more like, he can't kill his foe, and his foe can't really kill him without it becoming a hot potato of sins.

In context he passed his sins onto Johnny, then was just gonna up and **** off with the corpse, killing him was never part of the plan.

 

[Peppersalt43]

No it's more like, he can't kill his foe, and his foe can't really kill him without it becoming a hot potato of sins.

I mean, I can always just use a character that wouldn't have a concept of sins. Like animals, mindless creatures, robots, etc that probably doesn't understand the concept or lack any of the feelings anyway. Or I can use something that can perpetually ward off sins like aquatic creatures or water elementals

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah but then, why even use Axl?
That just invalidates anything he has, you'd just be using a 10-A with outdated military training and a knife.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Yeah but then, why even use Axl?
That just invalidates anything he has, you'd just be using a 10-A with outdated military training and a knife.

I mean, that's just the fate of broken haxed characters. They either have to hax his opponents, or they go up against someone that resists their hax but doesn't have broken haxes themselves

Also I just realized, even if Axl theoretically can't be beaten, why can't he beat his opponent? Besides knocking them out, doesn't getting choked by their sins count as incap?

 

[Chariot190]

They eventually die from that.

 

[Peppersalt43]

They eventually die from that.

Oh... OK, I'll keep this all in mind for the next time