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High 3A Saitama (Please read the post before making a decision)
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Well we're only talking about relativity, otherwise by your logic we have to apply the 1st law of thermodynamics, which we don't even for science based verses. You're the one who's cherry picking. In the very theory of relativity itself it explains FTL travel would move one back in time.
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It's not about if could achieve it, it's if he actually did travel FTL, which up until that point, minus one instance with Geyuganshoop, he hasn't
That doesn't mean that if the theory is stated to apply as a Universal Law that it can't be used
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DOES. NOT. MATTER.
If it isn't stated by reliable sources to be acting the moment that feat is performed, it's not applicable. End of story.
Here be one of the best examples of this:
With the laws of physics in play and without the speed force, traveling at light speed would create a singularity and rip open the universe. | Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol 1 #3 April 2009
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Except it does, it was made around that idea in the first place.
That Universal Law has to be shown, stated and confirmed by reliable sources to be acting at that exact moment you perform the feat.
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Him jumping around Jupiter’s moon is literally calced to be mftl+.
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His punch blast alone is calculated to be MFTL+.
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It's stated by Genos, who is listed as gifted intelligence on this site.
But when asked to show where that rule is stated, you failed to give any examples. So make a rules CRT, or don't use this argument.
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Genos can just not know.
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Using an assumed timeframe that idk if I fully buy.
This is literally the only argument I don't have a hard counter for Lmao.
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I could reply, but I'm just going to make this simple.
Genos actually mentions how mass is effected in the same line of text when talking about the theory of relativity, meaning, you must prove that when they go FTL, or even just approach it, their mass increases towards infinity (This also applies to Boros and other Rel dudes as well).
And after you prove it, explain why they don't have absolutely ******* insane black hole tier gravity that disassembles basically everything around them which would come factored in with the infinite mass.
If you want the High 3-A, you have to have the Infinite mass and gravity and a bunch of other wacky effects as well as the same character says as much in the same dialogue. If you can't prove such a thing is occurring without numerous contradictions, it means Genos is full of shit and CRT is based on a false premise.
Genos actually mentions how mass is effected in the same line of text when talking about the theory of relativity, meaning, you must prove that when they go FTL, or even just approach it, their mass increases towards infinity (This also applies to Boros and other Rel dudes as well).
And after you prove it, explain why they don't have absolutely ******* insane black hole tier gravity that disassembles basically everything around them which would come factored in with the infinite mass.
If you want the High 3-A, you have to have the Infinite mass and gravity and a bunch of other wacky effects as well as the same character says as much in the same dialogue. If you can't prove such a thing is occurring without numerous contradictions, it means Genos is full of shit and CRT is based on a false premise.
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So we should downgrade everyone speed that is above FTL since they clearly don't go back in time and they have FTL on the their profiles.
Or we should cherry pick what's nice for an upgrade and leave the rest?
Also the entire High 3-A from FTL would cause a black hole 🕳 well I don't see one.
But since theory of relativity exists in the verse, the verse can't go past FTL without going back in time, this is FF all over again
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Pretty sure using bigger timeframes still have it at ftl to mftl.
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You mean Genos, with his encyclopedic knowledge of pretty much everything made up the theory of relativity for no reason just to sound smart... Yeah keep the fan fic to Tumblr.
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No, this can simply mean
1. Platinum sperm isn't ftl
2. The speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
I disagree, though
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Fire force?
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Just a possibility, i didn't say its a fact
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It's just speculation.
@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 Aren't we supposed to not use Theory of Relativity unless explicitly stated to take effect the exact moment the feat happens?
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I think you miss the point. I don't care what the moderator says, if it's not a rule on the wiki, it doesn't matter.
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Talk about cherrypicking. They brought up 2 possibilities. They stated that it's a fact that it's one of two primary possibilities.
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Kind of does because it is, just nobody got to adding it because everyone forgot. Flash went through shit with his tiering upgrades because of this.
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I made two different sentences in my original comment, and he wrote two different points, each fitting as a response to each one
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What about quoting the whole post?
I clearly meant that there's 2 possible answers, not that they're the case
Its funny how you can clarify something and yall would still take it out of context
Anyway enough of this
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No… he can just be wrong not that he made it up lol
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Wrong about what? The Theory of Relativity exists? You don't just get that wrong. Also that relies on headcanon.
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Yeah none of that relates to this scenario lmao.
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It pretty clearly states that you can't get infinite energy from realtivism, as we don't allow KE to exceed 4 times the Newtonian value, which is finite.
The highest KE any object can have in our system is hence given by 4*(0.5*mass of object * (speed of light)^2). (as you can't use a speed higher than speed of light either)
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No of how Saitama works. He can think or hypothesize that Saitama‘s feat is a showing of him breaking the theory or Saitama isn’t restricted to it.
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the high 3-A scaling with sperm doesn't work which is still the main issue, so I'd suggest the derailing about ftl KE and stuff just gets done with
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Not necessarily.
Just asking about usage of theory of relativity and usage of relativistic kinetic energy if it is explicitly mentioned to take effect when a feat of that caliber is being performed, like the Flash situation where they say that as they accelerate to the speed of light their mass goes up to infinity and they threaten to tear a hole in the fabric of the universe yada yada yada.
Like the example here:
Should the theory of relativity be usable only then if it is explicitly mentioned to take place?DOES. NOT. MATTER.
If it isn't stated by reliable sources to be acting the moment that feat is performed, it's not applicable. End of story.
Here be one of the best examples of this:
With the laws of physics in play and without the speed force, traveling at light speed would create a singularity and rip open the universe. | Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol 1 #3 April 2009
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Yeah, when calculating relativistic feats. We're not doing that here.
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I read too much manga, I read that from right to left
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