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Well we're only talking about relativity, otherwise by your logic we have to apply the 1st law of thermodynamics, which we don't even for science based verses. You're the one who's cherry picking. In the very theory of relativity itself it explains FTL travel would move one back in time.The entire premise of the thread is that "the theory of relativity exists in the verse and he can move at FTL speeds so he should be High 3-A"
When the theory of relativity is tied into a principle that says that no object can move FTL.
It's just cherrypicking what's nice and what's not
It's not about if could achieve it, it's if he actually did travel FTL, which up until that point, minus one instance with Geyuganshoop, he hasn'tYeah this entire crt is based off the assumption that Saitama only just now achieved FTL, which ignores, contradicts, and undermines scaling previously established.
That doesn't mean that if the theory is stated to apply as a Universal Law that it can't be usedKinetic Energy Rules, it's indirectly implied, if relativity is not explicitly stated to take effect within a feat, we only assume the KE to be 4 times that of the Newtonian KE method (That being 0.5 * mass * velocity^2).
DOES. NOT. MATTER.Well we're only talking about relativity, otherwise by your logic we have to apply the 1st law of thermodynamics, which we don't even for science based verses. You're the one who's cherry picking. In the very theory of relativity itself it explains FTL travel would move one back in time.
Except it does, it was made around that idea in the first place.That doesn't mean that if the theory is stated to apply as a Universal Law that it can't be used
Him jumping around Jupiter’s moon is literally calced to be mftl+.It's not about if could achieve it, it's if he actually did travel FTL, which up until that point, minus one instance with Geyuganshoop, he hasn't
His punch blast alone is calculated to be MFTL+.Him jumping around Jupiter’s moon is literally calced to be mftl+.
It's stated by Genos, who is listed as gifted intelligence on this site.DOES. NOT. MATTER.
If it isn't stated by reliable sources to be acting the moment that feat is performed, it's not applicable. End of story.
Here be one of the best examples of this:
With the laws of physics in play and without the speed force, traveling at light speed would create a singularity and rip open the universe. | Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol 1 #3 April 2009
But when asked to show where that rule is stated, you failed to give any examples. So make a rules CRT, or don't use this argument.That Universal Law has to be shown, stated and confirmed by reliable sources to be acting at that exact moment you perform the feat.
Genos can just not know.It's stated by Genos, who is listed as gifted intelligence on this site.
Using an assumed timeframe that idk if I fully buy.Him jumping around Jupiter’s moon is literally calced to be mftl+.
This is literally the only argument I don't have a hard counter for Lmao.His punch blast alone is calculated to be MFTL+.
So we should downgrade everyone speed that is above FTL since they clearly don't go back in time and they have FTL on the their profiles.Well we're only talking about relativity, otherwise by your logic we have to apply the 1st law of thermodynamics, which we don't even for science based verses. You're the one who's cherry picking. In the very theory of relativity itself it explains FTL travel would move one back in time.
Pretty sure using bigger timeframes still have it at ftl to mftl.Using an assumed timeframe that idk if I fully buy.
You mean Genos, with his encyclopedic knowledge of pretty much everything made up the theory of relativity for no reason just to sound smart... Yeah keep the fan fic to Tumblr.Genos can just not know.
No, this can simply meanPlatinum Sperm is also FTL
So he is High 3-A as well
With this, FTL would be almost impossible for the verse btw
What????The speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
Fire force?this is FF all over again
Just a possibility, i didn't say its a factWhat????
You guys are really creating headcanonsThe speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
You guys are really creating headcanons
Just a possibility, i didn't say its a fact
I disagree, though
It's just speculation.It's stated by Genos, who is listed as gifted intelligence on this site.
@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 Aren't we supposed to not use Theory of Relativity unless explicitly stated to take effect the exact moment the feat happens?But when asked to show where that rule is stated, you failed to give any examples. So make a rules CRT, or don't use this argument.
I think you miss the point. I don't care what the moderator says, if it's not a rule on the wiki, it doesn't matter.@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 Aren't we supposed to not use Theory of Relativity unless explicitly stated to take effect the exact moment the feat happens?
You saidJust a possibility, i didn't say its a fact
You wrote this as a fact, and not as a possibiltyThe speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
The speed of light in opm may faster than our universe
Talk about cherrypicking. They brought up 2 possibilities. They stated that it's a fact that it's one of two primary possibilities.You wrote this as a fact, and not as a possibilty
Kind of does because it is, just nobody got to adding it because everyone forgot. Flash went through shit with his tiering upgrades because of this.I think you miss the point. I don't care what the moderator says, if it's not a rule on the wiki, it doesn't matter.
I made two different sentences in my original comment, and he wrote two different points, each fitting as a response to each oneTalk about cherrypicking. They brought up 2 possibilities. They stated that it's a fact that it's one of two primary possibilities.
What about quoting the whole post?You said
You wrote this as a fact, and not as a possibilty
I clearly meant that there's 2 possible answers, not that they're the caseNo, this can simply mean
1. Platinum sperm isn't ftl
2. The speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
I disagree, though
I made two different sentences in my original comment, and he wrote two different points, each fitting as a response to each one
...I clearly meant that there's 2 possible answers, not that they're the case
Yeah noThe speed of light in opm is higher than our universe
No… he can just be wrong not that he made it up lolYou mean Genos, with his encyclopedic knowledge of pretty much everything made up the theory of relativity for no reason just to sound smart... Yeah keep the fan fic to Tumblr.
If I read the OP right, I suppose you are looking for the following rules from the KE page:@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 Aren't we supposed to not use Theory of Relativity unless explicitly stated to take effect the exact moment the feat happens?
The relativistic kinetic energy value is only accepted up to 4 times the Newtonian value: The kinetic energy value calculated using the formula for relativistic kinetic energy is only accepted to the point where it is 4 times as high as the value of Newtonian kinetic energy. That is the case, if the speed of the moving object is above 93% of the speed of light. For kinetic energy values above that, which are not faster than light, 4 times the kinetic energy value should be taken. Reason for this rule is that the relativistic kinetic energy diverges towards infinity for speeds approaching the speed of light. So to not get inflated extremely high results setting a threshold at 4 times the kinetic energy value was decided upon.
No kinetic energy for faster than light speeds: Kinetic energy calculated for faster than light objects, or more precise for objects for which v ≥ 299 792 458 m/s, is not considered legitimate. That is because the kinetic energy of an object, using the correct physical description through relativistic mechanics, would require infinite energy to reach the speed of light, and for objects above the speed of light the equations wouldn't return real values. Since the energy would approach infinity towards the speed of light it also isn't allowed to use relativistic speed as an approximation for the kinetic energy of faster than light objects, since by using an approximation close enough to the speed of light any given value could be reached through that method.
Wrong about what? The Theory of Relativity exists? You don't just get that wrong. Also that relies on headcanon.No… he can just be wrong not that he made it up lol
It pretty clearly states that you can't get infinite energy from realtivism, as we don't allow KE to exceed 4 times the Newtonian value, which is finite.Yeah none of that relates to this scenario lmao.
No of how Saitama works. He can think or hypothesize that Saitama‘s feat is a showing of him breaking the theory or Saitama isn’t restricted to it.Wrong about what? The Theory of Relativity exists? You don't just get that wrong. Also that relies on headcanon.
Not necessarily.If I read the OP right, I suppose you are looking for the following rules from the KE page:
Should the theory of relativity be usable only then if it is explicitly mentioned to take place?DOES. NOT. MATTER.
If it isn't stated by reliable sources to be acting the moment that feat is performed, it's not applicable. End of story.
Here be one of the best examples of this:
With the laws of physics in play and without the speed force, traveling at light speed would create a singularity and rip open the universe. | Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds Vol 1 #3 April 2009
Yeah, when calculating relativistic feats. We're not doing that here.It pretty clearly states that you can't get infinite energy from realtivism, as we don't allow KE to exceed 4 times the Newtonian value, which is finite.