Wiki Page Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

[Jinsye]

The primary focus about the verse isn't **** I'm fairly sure. It's mostly about her being put at the bottom of the social ladder and trying to work her way up.

Even the Sevenseas and bookwalker summaries make it clear that it's about her trying to survive in the new world despite not having cheat powers like her friend, so she has to do the sex work stuff, which puts her at the bottom of the social hierarchy and she has to make the best of it by befriending people, trying to change social status things, like women not being allowed to play sports, etc

It's not ****. It just focuses heavily on sex work. There's a difference.

 

[Confluctor]

I believe this profile should be deleted for reasons that I hope are apparent just by looking at it. But to give a more in depth explanation, it is a character from a series where she has been reincarnated as a prostitute, and whose primary power is literally just having men cum in her. This is quite obviously against our rules against explicit content, given the focus of the series is ostensibly gaining more power through constantly having sex.

In case that alone isn't enough... the manga itself has gems such as this (content warning for explicit mention of ****):

Spoiler

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/995396219205599262/995396251984068638/unknown.png

EDIT: I have, unfortunately, found another similar panel.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/995396219205599262/995398315820716072/unknown.png

god i hated typing this shit out

I think a warning notice should suffice. Especially since it's a novel series, so you don't need to actually use the manga stuff.

The primary focus isn't even ****, it's just a plot device to further her character and the plot and her revenge. There is more to the story than just sex.


Although the file isn't good enough, so wouldn't be opposed to it's deletion anyway.

 

[Confluctor]

The primary focus about the verse isn't **** I'm fairly sure. It's mostly about her being put at the bottom of the social ladder and trying to work her way up.

That is correct. She gains powers this way and tries to use it to her advantage and kill others who have taken advantage of her.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

The primary focus about the verse isn't **** I'm fairly sure. It's mostly about her being put at the bottom of the social ladder and trying to work her way up.


It's not ****. It just focuses heavily on sex work. There's a difference.

The reason why the series is the way it is isn't the point. A quick glance at her VS page shows just how blatant the emphasis on sex is considering cum-based power absorption is the main character's central ability I can't ******* believe I had to type that. Of course, it is also very hard to overlook the repeated focus on **** throughout the series.

It is very easy to write sex worker characters without their character being "SHE GETS RAPED 3 TIMES A DAY AND ABSORBS CUM TO GET MORE POWERFUL".

 

[Jinsye]

Although the file isn't good enough, so wouldn't be opposed to it's deletion anyway.

DontTalk made the profile and seems to maintain it, I'm sure he wouldn't be opposed to improving it.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

That is correct. She gains powers this way and tries to use it to her advantage and kill others who have taken advantage of her.

If it's explicitly a revenge story then I am slightly less inclined to delete it. But as you mentioned, the quality is poor, so I'm still in favor of deletion.

 

[Confluctor]

Actually I just realised most of her feats are explained down below, so I am against its deletion after all

@DontTalkDT what do you think?

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

It is very easy to write sex worker characters without their character being "SHE GETS RAPED 3 TIMES A DAY AND ABSORBS CUM TO GET MORE POWERFUL"

I mean regardless of how bad or tasteless it may be, it doesn't break any of the wiki's rules. It's not hentai or eroge, just the equivalent of a R rated show.

I think it should get a trigger warning in the summary, however.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Actually I just realised most of her feats are explained down below, so I am against its deletion after all

Nothing has any scans and most of the stats are purely guesswork. It's still pretty low quality.

 

[Paul_Frank]

The reason why the series is the way it is isn't the point. A quick glance at her VS page shows just how blatant the emphasis on sex is considering cum-based power absorption is the main character's central ability I can't ******* believe I had to type that. Of course, it is also very hard to overlook the repeated focus on **** throughout the series.

It is very easy to write sex worker characters without their character being "SHE GETS RAPED 3 TIMES A DAY AND ABSORBS CUM TO GET MORE POWERFUL".

The emphasis isn't really on the sex, as already stated, the sex is just sorta the reality of the situation, but not the main part of the series. It's on dealing with that other world, trying to make the best of it, and later, revenge, despite not being as well equipped as her Isekai'd friend who got super powers

In fact it's explicitly not an h-manga or erotica LN, it's seinen according to Bookwalker and J-Novel Club (the publishers)

 

[Confluctor]

A warning would be ideal, yes

 

[Confluctor]

Nothing has any scans and most of the stats are purely guesswork. It's still pretty low quality.

Tiers are usually least of my worries but sure ig

 

[Tllmbrg]

As the local "Delete this" man this ain't it chief
If we were to delete this than other overtly horny verses would get nuked too (Looking at DxD over there)

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I mean regardless of how bad or tasteless it may be, it doesn't break any of the wiki's rules. It's not hentai or eroge, just the equivalent of a R rated show.

I think it should get a trigger warning in the summary, however.

The emphasis isn't really on the sex, as already stated, the sex is just sorta the reality of the situation, but not the main part of the series. It's on dealing with that other world, trying to make the best of it, and later, revenge, despite not being as well equipped as her Isekai'd friend who got super powers

In fact it's explicitly not an h-manga or erotica LN, it's seinen according to Bookwalker and J-Novel Club (the publishers)

I'm not sure where the "no emphasis on the sex" stuff is coming from considering, well,
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/995396219205599262/995403691597254776/unknown.png|
Like you really can't try and argue that sex isn't the point when the thing that allows the supposed revenge arc to happen in the first place is having sex hundreds of times. To say that the emphasis isn't on the sex would be trying to say that you could remove the constant sex and the story would still mostly be the same, but that clearly isn't the case here.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I mean, there is nothing wrong with how her power works. She absorbs the ***** through sexual contact and then gains the experience/powers (copying) of the male she had such contact. Is a novel so the manga scans don't even need to be present which helps.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Emphasis on sex still doesn't matter, it's about the series being **** or not. It's not ****, just heavy.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I mean, there is nothing wrong with how her power works. She absorbs the ***** through sexual contact and then gains the experience/powers (copying) of the male she had such contact.

In the context of our rules, yes, there is a problem. Show me a single other character on here whose power source is getting repeatedly raped and I'll gladly drop the subject. But for the life of me I can't think of anything close.

Is a novel so the manga scans don't even need to be present which helps.

That's... not how that works? Maou Gakuin is a novel but I don't think we give it a free pass when it comes to scans. I assume the same is true of other LN verses as well.

 

[Jinsye]

That's... not how that works? Maou Gakuin is a novel but I don't think we give it a free pass when it comes to scans. I assume the same is true of other LN verses as well.

Zara is suggesting that you only need to present scans from the novel, which is far less explicit than drawn images from the manga.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Emphasis on sex still doesn't matter, it's about the series being **** or not. It's not ****, just heavy.

From the content rating page:
"Level 4: Extreme - Verses that have high sexual content as the main focus of the material."

This is clearly a case of it being the main focus.

Zara is suggesting that you only need to present scans from the novel, which is far less explicit than drawn images from the manga.

I mean, sure? That's fine but my problem was never with the possibility of NSFW scans being added.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I don't know the novel so I can't really talk but the scan you posted is from the manga. In the whole profile I don't see the word "****" even mentioned once. The name even implies she is a sex-worked, giving such contact for money, so its not like she doesn't know what she got herself in. While the **** part could be true, likely is true then as long is not on the profile then all its okay as long as a warning for users is present using the tab we talked in a thread about such themes.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I don't know the novel so I can't really talk but the scan you posted is from the manga. In the whole profile I don't see the word "****" even mentioned once. The name even implies she is a sex-worked, giving such contact for money, so its not like she doesn't know what she got herself in. While the **** part could be true, likely is true then as long is not on the profile then all its okay as long as a warning for users is present using the tab we talked in a thread about such themes.

Sorry, you wanna ******* rephrase that? Because as it stands now that sentence could easily be read as "**** is just a part of sex work that sex workers have to accept" and I would certainly ******* hope that's not what you intended to say.

 

[DontTalkDT]

I believe this profile should be deleted for reasons that I hope are apparent just by looking at it. But to give a more in depth explanation, it is a character from a series where she has been reincarnated as a prostitute, and whose primary power is literally just having men cum in her. This is quite obviously against our rules against explicit content, given the focus of the series is ostensibly gaining more power through constantly having sex.

In case that alone isn't enough... the manga itself has gems such as this (content warning for explicit mention of ****):

Spoiler

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/995396219205599262/995396251984068638/unknown.png

EDIT: I have, unfortunately, found another similar panel.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/995396219205599262/995398315820716072/unknown.png

god i hated typing this shit out

The novel is dealing with a delicate topic and is very much explicit adult stuff, yes, but it is absolutely not pornographic. None of the scenes is really written to be erotic. Haru is also never actively using her ability to gain powers.
While it's a novel about a prositute the sex itself is an afterthought and not the focus. It's definitely a Level 3 on the content scale, not a Level 4.

Although the file isn't good enough, so wouldn't be opposed to it's deletion anyway.

I can improve the file if necessary, although I wonder in which point. Her AP stat is justified by the common feat of destroying trees and... well, as the page says just generally being physically superhuman.
The abilities are explained in detail.
I could potentially add references, I guess, although the lack of those isn't a reason for deletion.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I did end the phrase with a point...the first one is just about her knowing that she will have to have sex taking such a job thus knowing that she has to use her body. As you can see I talked about the "****" part in the following phrase and did say that as long as its not present on the profile then there is no problem for the profile to existing as the above users mentioned is not just about sex but about revenge.

I never said they must accept it but it could happen and since this is a fantasy isekai about revenge with adult themes then it involves such scenes.

 

[Confluctor]

I can improve the file if necessary, although I wonder in which point. Her AP stat is justified by the common feat of destroying trees and... well, as the page says just generally being physically superhuman.
The abilities are explained in detail.
I could potentially add references, I guess, although the lack of those isn't a reason for deletion.

The file is fine - at least to me. Didn't see the feats/attacks section down below at first.

Tho refs would be nice.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

The novel is dealing with a delicate topic and is very much explicit adult stuff, yes, but it is absolutely not pornographic. None of the scenes is really written to be erotic. Haru is also never actively using her ability to gain powers.
While it's a novel about a prositute the sex itself is an afterthought and not the focus. It's definitely a Level 3 on the content scale, not a Level 4.

Then it seems the content scale might have an inconsistency, as the very opening states that such content just needs to be the primary focus of the work. Also, saying that she never actively uses her ability would imply that quite literally every act of sex in the series (of which there seem to be hundreds) is an act of ****, as you seem to imply that she is unwilling in these circumstances. This is not exactly helping your case.

Can you really call it an "afterthought" when it has occurred over 300 times and is the protagonist's primary ability, the one which (I assume) makes all the revenge stuff possible in the first place? To me, this seems like it is at least a very central component of the series, if not outright the focus (prior to the revenge arc people keep mentioning, at least).

I can improve the file if necessary, although I wonder in which point. Her AP stat is justified by the common feat of destroying trees and... well, as the page says just generally being physically superhuman.
The abilities are explained in detail.
I could potentially add references, I guess, although the lack of those isn't a reason for deletion.

Do we really just give out superhuman stats that easily? There seems to be very little reasoning for her physical AP and durability. The magic AP is fine, but I feel like showing her actually doing the feat is just as if not more important than giving the exact value of that feat. Also, the abilities being explained is fine, but is it not standard practice to give scans for even 'basic' things verse supporters would know off the top of their head? That's what I've been doing lately, at least.

I did end the phrase with a point...the first one is just about her knowing that she will have to have sex taking such a job thus knowing that she has to use her body. As you can see I talked about the "****" part in the following phrase and did say that as long as its not present on the profile then there is no problem for the profile to existing as the above users mentioned is not just about sex but about revenge.

I never said they must accept it but it could happen and since this is a fantasy isekai about revenge with adult themes then it involves such scenes.

That's not my point. The point was that your last post strongly implied that **** is just a fact of life for sex workers. Considering I have known multiple people who are sex workers, I can't say I appreciate that implication, intentional or otherwise.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I never wanted to imply it and I won't ever say such a thing is okay but such themes do happen sometimes in fantasy settings with darker worlds.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Doesn't the Redo of Healer dude basically have the same thing?

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I never wanted to imply it and I won't ever say such a thing is okay but such themes do happen sometimes in fantasy settings with darker worlds.

Okay. Thanks for the clarification. I do think it's a topic we should treat with more scrutiny than we currently do, however, as it seems a lot of verse use the acts of ****/sexual abuse as 'shortcuts' to write villains, dark settings, or traumatized characters, which is not only lazy but very often insensitive as well. I believe this was something Suggsverse did as well.

Doesn't the Redo of Healer dude basically have the same thing?

I wouldn't be surprised. Though, I do believe people wouldn't mind if that verse was deleted as well. It has one hell of an opponents list.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Then it seems the content scale might have an inconsistency, as the very opening states that such content just needs to be the primary focus of the work. Also, saying that she never actively uses her ability would imply that quite literally every act of sex in the series (of which there seem to be hundreds) is an act of ****, as you seem to imply that she is unwilling in these circumstances. This is not exactly helping your case.

No, I'm saying that she doesn't have sex in order to gain powers. She has sex because it's the job she has and for no other reason. That she gets ability that way just happens and she doesn't even intend to use the abilities.

Can you really call it an "afterthought" when it has occurred over 300 times and is the protagonist's primary ability, the one which (I assume) makes all the revenge stuff possible in the first place? To me, this seems like it is at least a very central component of the series, if not outright the focus (prior to the revenge arc people keep mentioning, at least).

Yeah, it's an afterthought. Just to be clear, the revenge stuff is also just two chapters in the end of the first volume.

Other chapters focus on things like how Haru breaks that worlds customs by going to restaurants without male company or talks a restaurant owner into offering food catering to woman. Or there are storylines about how Chiba, the guy reincarnated with Haru, is thinking of himself as an isekai protagonist which typically ends badly for him. It generally has a lot of commentary on misogyny. Like, know what gets much more screentime than sex and revenge stuff? Haru observing the relationship between a female healer that wants to join Chiba to do good and how he, in his isekai protagonist roleplay, misinterprets that as romantic interest and generally objectifies her.

Heck, look at the contents of every chapter of the second volume: Chapter 1 details stuff before getting reincarnated, chapter 2 is somewhat of a detective mystery take, chapter 3 is about cooking, chapter 4 is about an adventurer fighting demons that recruits Haru, chapter 5 is more stuff about the healer's life, chapter 6 is about Chiba wanting to be a hero, chapter 7 is... more cooking (a crossover) and then there is like a christmas story at the end.

Even the sex scenes are clearly not written to be erotic. They are there as a telling of the reality of prostitution. They are, for the most part, neither overly violent nor erotic. You get more things like "Customers tend to grab my hair without asking and that kinda hurts, so I guess I will cut it short" kind of stuff. It tries to tell a story about the reality of a prositutes life in a non-erotic manner (whether it does so well is not my place to judge).

Do we really just give out superhuman stats that easily? There seems to be very little reasoning for her physical AP and durability. The magic AP is fine, but I feel like showing her actually doing the feat is just as if not more important than giving the exact value of that feat. Also, the abilities being explained is fine, but is it not standard practice to give scans for even 'basic' things verse supporters would know off the top of their head? That's what I've been doing lately, at least.

The verse makes it clear that due to levels there are huge power gaps between people (basically scaling chains of stomping) and the levels and stuff somewhat support that. To that comes things like how Haru can literally stab a sword all the way through a (probably armored) person. Pretty sure no real life human manages that.

For a mere "likely Street level" that should indeed be enough

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

No, I'm saying that she doesn't have sex in order to gain powers. She has sex because it's the job she has and for no other reason. That she gets ability that way just happens and she doesn't even intend to use the abilities.

Ultimately whether or not she intends to gain those powers isn't the point. The way the story is written seems to mandate her getting those powers, based on the ending. Her using this power for her own gain or not does not change the context of whether or not the series would be acceptable here.

Yeah, it's an afterthought. Just to be clear, the revenge stuff is also just two chapters in the end of the first volume.

Then this just seems to reaffirm that the revenge arc - the thing most people have brought up as supposed evidence that the series is not focused on sex - has even less of a role in the story than I initially thought.

Other chapters focus on things like how Haru breaks that worlds customs by going to restaurants without male company or talks a restaurant owner into offering food catering to woman. Or there are storylines about how Chiba, the guy reincarnated with Haru, is thinking of himself as an isekai protagonist which typically ends badly for him. It generally has a lot of commentary on misogyny. Like, know what gets much more screentime than sex and revenge stuff? Haru observing the relationship between a female healer that wants to join Chiba to do good and how he, in his isekai protagonist roleplay, misinterprets that as romantic interest and generally objectifies her.

Heck, look at the contents of every chapter of the second volume: Chapter 1 details stuff before getting reincarnated, chapter 2 is somewhat of a detective mystery take, chapter 3 is about cooking, chapter 4 is about an adventurer fighting demons that recruits Haru, chapter 5 is more stuff about the healer's life, chapter 6 is about Chiba wanting to be a hero, chapter 7 is... more cooking (a crossover) and then there is like a christmas story at the end.

I'll take your word for it, but none of this changes the reality that sex is a key component of the series. A level 4 verse is still very much capable of having a coherent plot and clear themes. In fact, as I recall, this exact line of reasoning was brought up in an attempt to prevent MGQ from getting deleted; It had a plot with clear themes, thus it couldn't be defined solely as ****, but it was ultimately still very sexual in nature to a degree that it was deleted anyways. Now while I'm not saying this series and MGQ are the exact same, I do think we need to acknowledge that this line of reasoning has a precedent of being rejected.

Even the sex scenes are clearly not written to be erotic. They are there as a telling of the reality of prostitution. They are, for the most part, neither overly violent nor erotic. You get more things like "Customers tend to grab my hair without asking and that kinda hurts, so I guess I will cut it short" kind of stuff. It tries to tell a story about the reality of a prositutes life in a non-erotic manner (whether it does so well is not my place to judge).

First things first, I don't particularly like the focus on whether or not the intent was to be erotic. Partially because that is wildly subjective, and it is impossible to accurately define what would be 'erotic' to the members and administrators of this forum. Some people may not find straight up **** erotic for their own reasons, while series that lack explicit sexual content would be very erotic to some. To put it bluntly, defining what is or isn't erotic is nigh-impossible, so I believe it is better to gauge this on the presence and consistency of the sexual content. Even then, I can't say I'm a fan of using authorial intent in this instance, given that that is something we generally frown upon in this wiki.

And yes, while this is a series that, as you claim, focuses on the poor treatment of sex workers shown through the lens of ****, abuse, and misogyny, you know as well as I do that there are unfortunately a not insignificant number of people who are into that sort of thing. So, if we're to base the deletion on the notion of eroticism, we have to ask - erotic to whom?

I also take issue with you saying it is "not overly violent", despite my previous posting of the scans indicating rough **** scenes, as well as this (NSFW content warning, of course). I feel as though you're downplaying the content present in the series.

The verse makes it clear that due to levels there are huge power gaps between people (basically scaling chains of stomping) and the levels and stuff somewhat support that. To that comes things like how Haru can literally stab a sword all the way through a (probably armored) person. Pretty sure no real life human manages that.

For a mere "likely Street level" that should indeed be enough

That's fine then but I feel like that should be mentioned. As it stands now there's no justification written on her page.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Ultimately whether or not she intends to gain those powers isn't the point. The way the story is written seems to mandate her getting those powers, based on the ending. Her using this power for her own gain or not does not change the context of whether or not the series would be acceptable here.

Whether or not in mandates her getting those powers does not change whether or not the series is acceptable either. My point just was that this is not a story about a prostitute going around having sex with the intention to gain superpowers.

Then this just seems to reaffirm that the revenge arc - the thing most people have brought up as supposed evidence that the series is not focused on sex - has even less of a role in the story than I initially thought.

Which just isn't relevant because what I'm saying is that the main bulk of the story is really about neither.

I'll take your word for it, but none of this changes the reality that sex is a key component of the series. A level 4 verse is still very much capable of having a coherent plot and clear themes. In fact, as I recall, this exact line of reasoning was brought up in an attempt to prevent MGQ from getting deleted; It had a plot with clear themes, thus it couldn't be defined solely as ****, but it was ultimately still very sexual in nature to a degree that it was deleted anyways. Now while I'm not saying this series and MGQ are the exact same, I do think we need to acknowledge that this line of reasoning has a precedent of being rejected.

Except that sexual content is not the focus of the material as the Level 4 definition demands. There is a difference between sex happening in the series and the series focussing on sex. No part of the series has the intention of "oh, let's write a sex scene for the sake of having a sex scene". Sexual content is, as the Level 3 description says "not the main focus of the material and is usually part of a greater overall plot".

First things first, I don't particularly like the focus on whether or not the intent was to be erotic. Partially because that is wildly subjective, and it is impossible to accurately define what would be 'erotic' to the members and administrators of this forum. Some people may not find straight up **** erotic for their own reasons, while series that lack explicit sexual content would be very erotic to some. To put it bluntly, defining what is or isn't erotic is nigh-impossible, so I believe it is better to gauge this on the presence and consistency of the sexual content. Even then, I can't say I'm a fan of using authorial intent in this instance, given that that is something we generally frown upon in this wiki.

We frown on authorial intent for evaluating feats, not for this subject matter.

Second, no it's a difference. A book on sex education features lots of sexual content but not ****-like sexual content, but just content that talks about sexual subjects. There is a difference to be made. A sex education book isn't "are pornographic in nature" (as Level 4 demands). Similarly, JK Haru isn't ****. (I believe others have already mentioned how it officially is not listed as eroge)

And yes, while this is a series that, as you claim, focuses on the poor treatment of sex workers shown through the lens of ****, abuse, and misogyny, you know as well as I do that there are unfortunately a not insignificant number of people who are into that sort of thing. So, if we're to base the deletion on the notion of eroticism, we have to ask - erotic to whom?

By that reasoning, we should delete every verse because it could be erotic to someone on Earth. Every second anime has hundreds or thousands of pornographic fanart made for it, since it is erotic to someone.

Erotic to the average person, simple as that.

I also take issue with you saying it is "not overly violent", despite my previous posting of the scans indicating rough **** scenes, as well as this (NSFW content warning, of course). I feel as though you're downplaying the content present in the series.

Scans I assume you do not know the context of? Because the 'beating' here refers to spanking her butt. Like, the stuff some people do to kids basically or in BDSM. not beating her bloody and breaking bones or otherwise doing any real damage.

Similarly, your scan indicating '**** scenes' is about how customers play non-consent roleplay after paying and stuff. There is a serious **** scene, it's what the 100 soldiers get themselves killed for, but that is not it. Now we could have a whole debate about consent while doing sex work and when something becomes **** in that context, however, as you will notice, it's actually not relevant at all. The subject of consent has no impact on whether we feature a verse in the wiki.

The only thing that matters is: It's not pornography and sex is not the focus of the book. It's merely a byproduct of the overarching story the novel explores.

That's fine then but I feel like that should be mentioned. As it stands now there's no justification written on her page.

That's written on her page. See the striking strength section.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

Whether or not in mandates her getting those powers does not change whether or not the series is acceptable either.

What? Yes it does. If those events aren't allowed on the wiki, then we can't use the verse. There may be some cases where we can sweep it under the rug and pretend the sexual aspects of an ability don't exist, but for a series like this? I find it very unlikely.

Which just isn't relevant because what I'm saying is that the main bulk of the story is really about neither.

Having sex hundreds of times in a manner which specifically culminates in the final arc of the manga seems like a clear indication that sex is a central component of the series, if not the central component.

Except that sexual content is not the focus of the material as the Level 4 definition demands. There is a difference between sex happening in the series and the series focussing on sex. No part of the series has the intention of "oh, let's write a sex scene for the sake of having a sex scene". Sexual content is, as the Level 3 description says "not the main focus of the material and is usually part of a greater overall plot".

And what if it's both? Because it ostensibly is the focus of the plot, given how the ending relies on it. Whether or not the sex is important to the plot isn't relevant, it's a matter of how present the sex is in the series. And based on the context provided, the sex is very present in the series, regardless of whether or not it is shown in explicit detail. The presence of sex isn't the issue. The fact that the character's power - y'know, the main thing we index here - as well as the plot of the manga rely on the sex does matter.

We frown on authorial intent for evaluating feats, not for this subject matter.

Second, no it's a difference. A book on sex education features lots of sexual content but not ****-like sexual content, but just content that talks about sexual subjects. There is a difference to be made. A sex education book isn't "are pornographic in nature" (as Level 4 demands). Similarly, JK Haru isn't ****. (I believe others have already mentioned how it officially is not listed as eroge)

Death of the Author exists for thematic elements just as it does for powerscaling. In fact, it was always intended for the former rather than the latter.

Please enlighten me about how sex education is even remotely comparable to a series where the main character has cum power absorption. Every thematic element you have described could exist just as easily without the caveat of "the main character gets more powerful by *******".

By that reasoning, we should delete every verse because it could be erotic to someone on Earth. Every second anime has hundreds or thousands of pornographic fanart made for it, since it is erotic to someone.

Erotic to the average person, simple as that.

My point isn't that people interpreting things as sexual should automatically be grounds for deletion. I was contesting the point that the series isn't erotic in nature, because that's very subjective and I could easily find people who could find something to get off to in the manga. It should be a tipping point for verses with very blatant and consistent sexual content, not the basis on which deletion requests are formed.

Please elaborate on what you are using as the gauge for what an 'average' person finds erotic. You know damn well that this is very subjective and something based almost purely on human thought, so to claim for there to be an 'average' sexual preference is just as ridiculous as saying there is an 'average' state of mind or emotion.

Scans I assume you do not know the context of? Because the 'beating' here refers to spanking her butt. Like, the stuff some people do to kids basically or in BDSM. not beating her bloody and breaking bones or otherwise doing any real damage.

Yeah uh

First of all, comparing it to what is legally considered child abuse in a number of countries around the world is not a great start. But even then, I am aware of BDSM culture and what's considered safe or acceptable in that context, and ultimately having someone have to literally whine like an animal before being allowed to stop - which based on literally all the other context I've seen so far, was 100% non-consensual - is extremely ****** up.

Similarly, your scan indicating '**** scenes' is about how customers play non-consent roleplay after paying and stuff. There is a serious **** scene, it's what the 100 soldiers get themselves killed for, but that is not it. Now we could have a whole debate about consent while doing sex work and when something becomes **** in that context, however, as you will notice, it's actually not relevant at all. The subject of consent has no impact on whether we feature a verse in the wiki.

The only thing that matters is: It's not pornography and sex is not the focus of the book. It's merely a byproduct of the overarching story the novel explores.

The subject of **** and consent absolutely should impact whether or not we allow a verse. They are ultimately sexual subjects in nature, and there is a clear line between verses like Berserk or Hellsing and verses that focus almost solely on those subjects.

At bare minimum then we need to define the line between "overt focus on sexual content but not ****" and just regular old ****. Because really, the only difference is intent, and a verse which falls into one category but not the other could easily switch sides depending on the writer and their views. It's a very fine line, one which ought to be better defined.

 

[DontTalkDT]

What? Yes it does. If those events aren't allowed on the wiki, then we can't use the verse. There may be some cases where we can sweep it under the rug and pretend the sexual aspects of an ability don't exist, but for a series like this? I find it very unlikely.

??? We have no rule against that at all. Not like she would use it that way in combat anyway.

Having sex hundreds of times in a manner which specifically culminates in the final arc of the manga seems like a clear indication that sex is a central component of the series, if not the central component.

Since she is not shown having sex hundreds of time it is not. Like, a statement that random character had a lot of sex at random part of a book doesn't make it pornography. It's also not the final arc, as there is volume 2.

And what if it's both? Because it ostensibly is the focus of the plot, given how the ending relies on it. Whether or not the sex is important to the plot isn't relevant, it's a matter of how present the sex is in the series. And based on the context provided, the sex is very present in the series, regardless of whether or not it is shown in explicit detail. The presence of sex isn't the issue. The fact that the character's power - y'know, the main thing we index here - as well as the plot of the manga rely on the sex does matter.

Given that you haven't read the series I will make this very short: You're wrong about how prevalent sex is in the series. You are arguing out of being uninformed. I already gave plenty of evidence of how sex isn't "the main focus of the material" as Level 4 demands. Read the series and give evidence of the opposite if you want to continue the debate on that. I can't deliver the devil proof here by showing that the series does not contain something.

Death of the Author exists for thematic elements just as it does for powerscaling. In fact, it was always intended for the former rather than the latter.

Death of the Author is also not the universal theory for literature analysis. If you read an analysis of Kafka, the author will be relevant.

Please enlighten me about how sex education is even remotely comparable to a series where the main character has cum power absorption. Every thematic element you have described could exist just as easily without the caveat of "the main character gets more powerful by *******".

You can't write a series commenting on prostitution without sex. Could the series have written with Haru being powerful in a way that doesn't involve sex? Yes. Does the fact that it isn't matter? No. Because it doesn't change that sex isn't the main focus.

My point isn't that people interpreting things as sexual should automatically be grounds for deletion. I was contesting the point that the series isn't erotic in nature, because that's very subjective and I could easily find people who could find something to get off to in the manga. It should be a tipping point for verses with very blatant and consistent sexual content, not the basis on which deletion requests are formed.

How can it be a 'tipping point' if by your logic anything can be erotic?

Please elaborate on what you are using as the gauge for what an 'average' person finds erotic. You know damn well that this is very subjective and something based almost purely on human thought, so to claim for there to be an 'average' sexual preference is just as ridiculous as saying there is an 'average' state of mind or emotion.

I use the fact that I recognize **** when I see it. It's like you're pointing at a Naruto fight and ask "what basis do you have to say this isn't erotic to the average person?" It isn't erotic because it obviously isn't. Or, if you really want a reason, the average person probably wouldn't be very aroused by a girl having an internal monologue about how incredibly lame her partner is.

First of all, comparing it to what is legally considered child abuse in a number of countries around the world is not a great start.

roll eyes Yes. Every second verse we feature includes murder, but doing something that would be child abuse to an adult is the problem.

But even then, I am aware of BDSM culture and what's considered safe or acceptable in that context, and ultimately having someone have to literally whine like an animal before being allowed to stop - which based on literally all the other context I've seen so far, was 100% non-consensual - is extremely ****** up.

That was pet roleplay. She "whines like an animal" because she roleplays as a cat, not out of pain.

The subject of **** and consent absolutely should impact whether or not we allow a verse. They are ultimately sexual subjects in nature, and there is a clear line between verses like Berserk or Hellsing and verses that focus almost solely on those subjects.

Well, this work doesn't solely focus on this subject, as I said many times already and you have delivered no evidence against. All you brought up is isolated scenes. I could show as much as you did from Game of Thrones. And no, by our rules it's how focussed the verse is on sexual content, not about what the content of said verse is. So yeah, you have no point here.

At bare minimum then we need to define the line between "overt focus on sexual content but not ****" and just regular old ****. Because really, the only difference is intent, and a verse which falls into one category but not the other could easily switch sides depending on the writer and their views. It's a very fine line, one which ought to be better defined.

There is no overt focus on sexual content here. You will not find a single chapter in this book whichs topic is "Haru has sex". It's always about something something else.

By the current rules it doesn't qualify for deletion, so there is no need to make new distinctions.

 

[Confluctor]

Anyway, I think this discussion has gone on for long enough and should probably just drop it off here. This character can obviously stay and isn't breaking the rules.

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah this really shouldn't be deleted

 

[DontTalkDT]

Anyway, I added the content warning template to the page and if it's just because the words "sex worker" and "*********" appear on the page. With that I also think the debate should end here.

 

[LordTracer]

Mosquito (One-Punch Man)

The Mosquito is a minor character that appears in a gag scene in One-Punch Man. Saitama attempts to kill it, but fails repeatedly. Tier: Unknown, likely at least 10-C, possibly 5-C Name: Mosquito Origin: One-Punch Man Gender: Presumably female, as female mosquitoes suck blood Age: Unknown...

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No scans and all justifications come from a gag scene.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

Gunnerkrigg Court

For detailed information about this series, visit the Gunnerkrigg Court Wiki. Gunnerkrigg Court is a Webcomic written and illustrated by Tom Siddell and it's updated every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. The website was created in April of 2005 and has been updating pretty regularly ever since...

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Various pages have 9-A for what seems to be just defeating a large creature, all pages don't really have a good P&A section as far as I can see and so on
@Dargoo_Faust and @ApiesDeathbyLazors could try revising it however

Hey, can we talk about this for a minute? I actually would like the verse to be deleted for the following reasons;

1. The pages are generally low quality, I agree. These are my first contributions to the wiki and I've improved much since then.
2. As they stand, the pages are functionally unfinished due to being made prior to a few major arcs in the webcomic and before I really understood the cosmology and how dimensions work. For example, if I understand things correctly Coyote should be Low 1-C at least.
3. I am neither willing, nor able to put in the effort to make a kinda massive verse revision right now, and this matters because, to my knowledge, I am the only active user familiar enough with the series to make a decent revision. Besides, important arcs are still happening in the comic so a revision would possibly be inaccurate in a few months anyway.

I should note that if the verse is deleted, I will be remaking it at a later date, but it won't be anytime soon (possibly not even this year frankly). I should also note that while I am basically inactive right now, I am planning on coming back, to the wiki mostly, in the near future. If anyone needs to contact me, (for some reason?), the easiest way would be through discord.

 

[Antvasima]

I've already explained that without knowledge of the verse that would very well be guesswork, I don't know the size of the characters. That said, the feats are definitely at least wall level, and generally we allow 9-B ratings to pass without a calculation

Yes, but if the statistics are really much higher than 9-B, it is far preferable to get them calculated, or the pages will turn misleading.

 

[Antvasima]

Mosquito (One-Punch Man)

The Mosquito is a minor character that appears in a gag scene in One-Punch Man. Saitama attempts to kill it, but fails repeatedly. Tier: Unknown, likely at least 10-C, possibly 5-C Name: Mosquito Origin: One-Punch Man Gender: Presumably female, as female mosquitoes suck blood Age: Unknown...

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No scans and all justifications come from a gag scene.

I handled it.