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Lavos typically nukes everything on the planet.Any idea of their opening moves?
So Lavos tries this. Any idea how their stats match up to know how well Yubel survives this?Lavos typically nukes everything on the planet.
& Yubel sees the Literal Giant Space Flea From Nowhere, & despite that it might resemble yet another monster to her, tries to... look into the darkness in Lavos's heart?yubel's in character move is mind hax (her attack) she usually sees someone's darkness from a glance which is something like info analysis and mind reading seeing someone's darkness is just seeing their past weaknesses, insecurities etc and she can tell by just looking
mind hax bypasses normal resistances and nullfies all connections to any beings inside someone's soul or mind as seen when yubel nullifed the connection between the crystal beasts and johan/jesse's mind
yubel has mid-godly it's fine and he never elaborated if it's his first move how fast it takes etc and she has spirit energy aura which is like power null above the level of the god cards so she's fine AP wise since she's stronger and can survive in spaceSo Lavos tries this. Any idea how their stats match up to know how well Yubel survives this?
i mean she naturally senses darkness in his heart like it's not a thing she does actively if that makes sense also she did it to the crystal beasts& Yubel sees the Literal Giant Space Flea From Nowhere, & despite that it might resemble yet another monster to her, tries to... look into the darkness in Lavos's heart?
I mean, does she act differently when dealing with non-humanoids?
if he tries to infect yubel with hatred it would backfire since she eats darkness for breakfast and she resists anywaysMind Manipulation and Morality Manipulation (Exposure to Lavos' energy brainwashed Queen Zeal, implied to have once been a benevolent ruler, into a power-hungry tyrant set on using him to destroy and govern the world, with the change happening "almost overnight," and Lavos himself could likewise infect Schala with his own hatred and sorrow, causing a part of her mind to embrace the desire to end of all existence and gradually consuming her awareness)
spirit energy covers space-time stuff given that time wizard exists precog is good and should work on yubelForcefield Creation, Cosmic Awareness and Precognition (Capable of looking through any point in time he wishes, past or future, as well as taking advantage of this non-linear view of it to prepare for future events, having seen his defeat at Crono's hands in advance and set up a scenario that would lead to his own return in response, and being aware of the Counter-Time Experiment conducted by Chronopolis over 12,000 years before it took place), Causality Manipulation (A small portion of Lavos' power imbued in the Frozen Flame is said to have the ability to rewrite history when properly channeled, with scientists in the Time Research Facility led by Belthasar further stating that they could attain complete control over the timeline by experimenting with the Flame. His influence is implied to cause the time axis itself to go out of order)
as far as i know it's baseline from the profiles and what i asked on discordIt may be worth seeking out comparisons of the potency of the Mind-affecting equipment, tech & status ailments compared to what the Crystal Beasts granted Jesse.
Not to mention all the stuff about it warping space-time with its mere presence. & its incredible & incredibly long Intelligence justification, & it outranging her.
So just what exactly is Yubel's answer to Lavos knowing she's coming, big-braining up a plan for her, outranging her, brainwashing her with its energy when she shows up, & probably making Central Park, New York rapidly become a disorienting battlefield by way of its presence warping spacetime, which Lavos, by way of its intelligence, being the cause of said warping, & viewing time nonlinearly anyway, is likely to be less disoriented by? (Then again, unsure it bothered the CT player characters, so IDK how impactful the spacetime stuff would be.)
@SlendVeny : Care to elaborate?yubel has mid-godly it's fine and he never elaborated if it's his first move how fast it takes etc
Basis?and she has spirit energy aura which is like power null above the level of the god cards
Did what? Also, relevance of doing this to the Crystal Beasts? All I know of their relevance in this context is that Jesse's bond with them provided him with a Resistance to Mind Manipulation, & breaking that to Mind Manipulate Jesse was the basis for her increased potency of her Mind Manipulation.i mean she naturally senses darkness in his heart like it's not a thing she does actively if that makes sense also she did it to the crystal beasts
So it tries to brainwash Yubel, & takes however long it took with Queen Zeal, or it puts more of that "darkness" into Yubel's nihilistic sado-masochistic self? Makes for the question of what's the breaking point.if he tries to infect yubel with hatred it would backfire since she eats darkness for breakfast and she resists anyways
I feel like I missed a lot of information with this "Spirit Energy" stuff. Care to direct me to good resources regarding what you're asserting, please?spirit energy covers space-time stuff given that time wizard exists
I will say this I might question how IC it is for Lavos to use Precognition, & I'm unsure if it's Passive or Active.precog is good and should work on yubel
Dare I ask what who said?as far as i know it's baseline from the profiles and what i asked on discord
Potency?warping space and time is like a daily thing that happens through spirit energy in yugioh lol zorc vs blue eyes, rainbow dragon vs armityle etc
Well, regarding options Lavos has against opponents, looking at the profile, I find:she resist mind manip don't think this match needs alot of big brain stuff and she again deals with via spirit energy aura so we should go from there "what would past lavos do to try and get rid of her"
on the profileBasis?
breaking their bond wouldn't randomly get them out of jesse's head i don't know what you're talking it's not like jesse knew he was getting mind haxed and resisted via sheer will it's just that they're chilling in his mind and protecting itDid what? Also, relevance of doing this to the Crystal Beasts? All I know of their relevance in this context is that Jesse's bond with them provided him with a Resistance to Mind Manipulation, & breaking that to Mind Manipulate Jesse was the basis for her increased potency of her Mind Manipulation.
yea yubel would get amped and it would take more than an infinite amount of time to overload yubel since she controls monsters who exert 2-C energySo it tries to brainwash Yubel, & takes however long it took with Queen Zeal, or it puts more of that "darkness" into Yubel's nihilistic sado-masochistic self? Makes for the question of what's the breaking point.
spirit energy what i call it is the universal energy source used by yugioh monsters it's what the egyptian gods have that makes the unaffected by card effectsI feel like I missed a lot of information with this "Spirit Energy" stuff. Care to direct me to good resources regarding what you're asserting, please?
i don't think it's a passive since present lavos died and it need a bit of time for past lavos to say noI will say this I might question how IC it is for Lavos to use Precognition, & I'm unsure if it's Passive or Active.
Hopefully a Chrono Trigger/Cross expert can weigh in on it. I'm unclear regarding the scan the profile provides.
@Edwardtruong2006 the one who overhauled lavos's profile a day or so agoDare I ask what who said?
baseline i guess didn't really think about it since lavos is baseline as wellPotency?
we talked about most of this on discord BFR is a legit win con since it BFRs people to a place that needs beyond 2-A range to come back fromlist of hax
What Kid says is "Maybe he saw the possibility of his being destroyed by the adventurers in 1999.". I think what the evidence indicates is that Lavos saw a future where it was defeated & prepared for that.i don't think it's a passive since present lavos died and it need a bit of time for past lavos to say no
I'd prefer not to have to use the "honor system" for stuff that happened unofficially & off-site that is nonetheless in regards to an on-site debate.we talked about most of this on discord
"Most"? Which doesn't she? Also, why does Spirit Energy "block" them?BFR is a legit win con since it BFRs people to a place that needs beyond 2-A range to come back from
acausality 3 is for the pods and when lavos dies he can't summon them he would need past lavos to precog and do something
explosion, dura neg, EE and matter manip don't matter since yubel has mid-godly and she blocks most of em via spirit enrgy
Which Gods? Just to be sure, you don't mean the Sacred Beasts, right?power null doesn't matter since yubel's power null is above baseline since she's above the gods pre-yugi amps
The justification seems to disagree. It is not listed as "Limited".concept manip is limited and isn't relevant iirc
yea but it still needs some amount of prep and we don't assume that he already knows about the battle before the battle startsWhat Kid says is "Maybe he saw the possibility of his being destroyed by the adventurers in 1999.". I think what the evidence indicates is that Lavos saw a future where it was defeated & prepared for that.
sure but the talks was to give me an idea about if this match is fairI'd prefer not to have to use the "honor system" for stuff that happened unofficially & off-site that is nonetheless in regards to an on-site debate.
If the effort to talk about it on Discord can be invested, that effort could just as well be put towards discussing it here.
sorry "all" since again it's power null and the attacks aren't infinitely stronger than her i use "nulling" and "blocking" as the same"Most"? Which doesn't she? Also, why does Spirit Energy "block" them?
the egyptian godsWhich Gods? Just to be sure, you don't mean the Sacred Beasts, right?
i said limited not as in use but as shown iirc he doesn't use dreams in any useful way relating to this match he just creates dreams, dream devourer and time devourer would be the ones using dreams in a useful way combat wiseThe justification seems to disagree. It is not listed as "Limited".
Also: "Can manipulate dreams, which contain, define and give birth to reality as a whole while existing fully independently of it in the Sea of Dreams beyond time, being able to offensively target them as part of his ultimate magical attack. His power is also stated to act as a channel through which dreams are materialized into reality, giving physical form to beings such as Masa and Mune)