Difference Infinite, limitless, immeasurable, endless

[ImmortalDread]

Uh, no. You can't. Not like that anyway

Countably and uncountably are entirely different beasts that don't work with the premise of this thread and jump straight to aleph-levels of bullshittery.

Just read Gilver's initial response and you'll get your answers.

I was not arguing that infinite is uncountably infinite. I said I can claim since there are no “standards”.
Plus, what Gilver said is exactly what I said above in my post. Also, those countably and uncountably infinite are significant for scaling.

And the problem will continue to exist even if you make that page. Because it's not wiki problem. Its human problem.

Despite many terms explained on our wiki pages... people still confuse either because they didn't read it or didn't understand it good enough. And like Klol explained.. we are Vs Battle Wiki...not Wikitionary.
Its not our job to explain meanings of words which we have dictionaries for.
Especially if those same words can be used differently in context of different verses and situations... in which case every discussion involving those situations is unique.. thus making the existence of your standard page irrelevant.

And klol already explained about Alephs. You don't arbitrarily highball meanings just cuz you wish.

Dictionary said that all those listing words including boundless and immeasurable mean the same. Your point now? We are talking right now about “how fiction uses those words” not how the dictionary translates those words. Ofc immeasurable speed and infinite speed are not the same, but if we use “dictionary” they are the same in the English language. This is why “wiki standards to terms” exists. Also, I figured out that dark mode in this wiki is better :O.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I said I can claim since there are no “standards”.

Funnily.. you can use "infinite" as supporting evidence for Tier 1. Since Uncountable Infinity is purely used by battleboarding community for classification. Its not like fiction actually knows or cares what Uncountable Infinity are.
They just use "infinite" simply and call it a day.

Dictionary said that all those listing words including boundless and immeasurable mean the same. Your point now? We are talking right now about “how fiction uses those words” not how the dictionary translates those words. Ofc immeasurable speed and infinite speed are not the same, but if we use “dictionary” they are the same in the English language. This is why “wiki standards to terms” exists. Also, I figured out that dark mode in this wiki is better :O.

Like I said. Yes by default those words would mean exactly that as dictionary uses.

But since fiction ""can"" be fickle we rely on individual CRTs to come to their own conclusions. Making a standard page irrelevant. Its for each situation or context to decide if the words deviate from their default meaning. Usually they follow default meanings so CRTs should be simple. But reality is disappointing and common sense isn't common enough...thats why people debate semantics and make discussions overcomplicated. Like I said a human problem not a wiki problem.

 

[KLOL506]

Dictionary said that all those listing words including boundless and immeasurable mean the same.

Merriam-Webster definition of immeasurable. "Incapable of being measured".

Merriam-Webster definition of Boundless. "having no boundaries : VAST"

Oxford definition of Immeasurable: "too large, great, etc. to be measured"

Oxford definition of Boundless: "without limits; seeming to have no end"

Do these look the same to you?

Your point now? We are talking right now about “how fiction uses those words” not how the dictionary translates those words.

It's not necessarily about "how they use those words" but more about "What words are they using to describe the qualities of an object they see before them regarding size, shape, etc."

Ofc immeasurable speed and infinite speed are not the same, but if we use “dictionary” they are the same in the English language.

No, they are usually not, unless you're talking about synonyms or adjectives used to describe the meaning of said words. Check the links above.

Also, here's the Merriam-Webster and Oxford definitions of infinite

Merriam-Webster: 1- extending indefinitely : ENDLESS, 2- immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive, 3- subject to no limitation or external determination

Oxford: very great; impossible to measure, without limits; without end (This one even uses "an infinite universe" as an example)

 

[KLOL506]

Funnily.. you can use "infinite" as supporting evidence for Tier 1. Since Uncountable Infinity is purely used by battleboarding community for classification. Its not like fiction actually knows or cares what Uncountable Infinity are.
They just use "infinite" simply and call it a day.



Like I said. Yes by default those words would mean exactly that as dictionary uses.

But since fiction ""can"" be fickle we rely on individual CRTs to come to their own conclusions. Making a standard page irrelevant. Its for each situation or context to decide if the words deviate from their default meaning. Usually they follow default meanings so CRTs should be simple. But reality is disappointing and common sense isn't common enough...thats why people debate semantics and make discussions overcomplicated. Like I said a human problem not a wiki problem.

Pretty much. Every verse is different on how their standards for infinity are handled. They could very well be hyperbole, or they could absolutely be legit in describing their cosmology. Devil May Cry and God of War are good examples on that front, DMC having its "endless darkness" Demon World and God of War having its "endless possibilities and realities" from the Well of Urdr which is just a part of the Yggdrasil.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Merriam-Webster definition of immeasurable. "Incapable of being measured".

Merriam-Webster definition of Boundless. "having no boundaries : VAST"

Oxford definition of Immeasurable: "too large, great, etc. to be measured"

Oxford definition of Boundless: "without limits; seeming to have no end"

Do these look the same to you?


It's not necessarily about "how they use those words" but more about "What words are they using to describe the qualities of an object they see before them regarding size, shape, etc."


No, they are usually not, unless you're talking about synonyms or adjectives used to describe the meaning of said words. Check the links above.

Also, here's the Merriam-Webster and Oxford definitions of infinite

Merriam-Webster: 1- extending indefinitely : ENDLESS, 2- immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive, 3- subject to no limitation or external determination

Oxford: very great; impossible to measure, without limits; without end (This one even uses "an infinite universe" as an example)

I hope you are not unironically asking me if they are the same word by word? Because if it is not the case, they all mean the same, and I already clarified above in posts. Literally:

Exactly and it is still a big discussion on how we use those terms, so I suggest creating a page that explains all those more deeply because in the dictionary, and generally they all mean the same, as for countless, you can't count it, neither you can measure it. Endless still means there is no end, and you still can't count it. Limitless has no limit, which also can't be measured nor counted. Infinite means there is no end and no limit, still can't be measured or counted. They all mean the same. I prefer having index on how we use those words correctly.

It is also like arguing why we need to clarify abilities but each verse they got its own context and need to be handled case by case

 

[KLOL506]

I hope you are not unironically asking me if they are the same word by word? Because if it is not the case, they all mean the same, and I already clarified above in posts. Literally:

Way to literally ignore the thing I said about "core primary meaning" and "what the word is being used for".

You'd literally have to ignore the English dictionary and language entirely to say that endless doesn't mean infinite. Literally nothing else can explain this other than arbitrary reasonings.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Funnily.. you can use "infinite" as supporting evidence for Tier 1. Since Uncountable Infinity is purely used by battleboarding community for classification. Its not like fiction actually knows or cares what Uncountable Infinity are.
They just use "infinite" simply and call it a day.



Like I said. Yes by default those words would mean exactly that as dictionary uses.

But since fiction ""can"" be fickle we rely on individual CRTs to come to their own conclusions. Making a standard page irrelevant. Its for each situation or context to decide if the words deviate from their default meaning. Usually they follow default meanings so CRTs should be simple. But reality is disappointing and common sense isn't common enough...thats why people debate semantics and make discussions overcomplicated. Like I said a human problem not a wiki problem.

Fiction does not even care about all those. Because they don't even know that this website exists unless a boundless character like the writer from DC Comics visits this website and reads our wiki and adds some abilities, depending on our wiki standards.
My point is, that there are definitions of each term in our own wiki standards, ofc we should not use it as general and apply it to each verse, there are always exceptions, and it depends on context and backstory. But to clarify to others, you don't need to confuse between limitless and endless.

 

[KLOL506]

Fiction does not even care about all those. Because they don't even know that this website exists unless a boundless character like the writer from DC Comics visits this website and reads our wiki and adds some abilities, depending on our wiki standards.

Newsflash buddy, Tier 1 doesn't exist IRL either. It's theoretical physics that has yet to be proven.

My point is, that there are definitions of each term in our own wiki standards, ofc we should not use it as general and apply it to each verse, there are always exceptions, and it depends on context and backstory. But to clarify to others, you don't need to confuse between limitless and endless.

My dude in whatever being exists up top, how the hell can you confuse "limitless" and "endless" to mean anything else other than infinite if not for arbitrary and biased reasonings? That is literally the reason why these things have discussions.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Way to literally ignore the thing I said about "core primary meaning" and "what the word is being used for".

You'd literally have to ignore the English dictionary and language entirely to say that endless doesn't mean infinite. Literally nothing else can explain this other than arbitrary reasonings.

I agree with you. I never claim that it never depends on the context, even abilities depend on the context, but we still have wikis for them for general purposes.

 

[KLOL506]

I agree with you. I never claim that it never depends on the context, even abilities depend on the context, but we still have wikis for them for general purposes.

Guess what that wiki is called. WIKIPEDIA, NOT VSBATTLES.

Definitions like these are basic common sense my guy, you don't need to set up standards for common sense. Because then it becomes even more arbitrary to follow.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Newsflash buddy, Tier 1 doesn't exist IRL either. It's theoretical physics that has yet to be proven.

Boundless is tier 0 according to our wiki standards. Never said or mentioned tier 1.

My dude in whatever being exists up top, how the hell can you confuse "limitless" and "endless" to mean anything else other than infinite if not for arbitrary and biased reasonings?

Why are you against creating a wiki page that clarifies them? Give seasonings for it. Except for the argument with "it depends on the context", every ability depends on the context as well.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Guess what that wiki is called. WIKIPEDIA, NOT VSBATTLES.

Definitions like these are basic common sense my guy, you don't need to set up standards for common sense. Because then it becomes even more arbitrary to follow.

Bruh... If I used the term “wiki”, I am surely meaning vs battle in this discussion. Sorry for the confusion, my bad habit of not clarifying each word I am saying here.

 

[KLOL506]

Boundless is tier 0 according to our wiki standards. Never said or mentioned tier 1.

Both are based on theoretical physics and aleph counts on this wiki.

Why are you against creating a wiki page that clarifies them? Give seasonings for it. Except for the argument with "it depends on the context", every ability depends on the context as well.

Why would you need a wiki page for something that is already clarified to begin with? That's peak redundancy.

It says "endless"/"limitless"/"infinite" with regards to universe size or universe number count in big words? Cool, High 3-A universe or 2-A multiverse, unless contradictions pop up. End of story. What's there to clarify here anymore?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Both are based on theoretical physics and aleph counts.

I still never mentioned tier 1

Why would you need a wiki page for something that is already clarified to begin with? That's peak redundancy.

It says "endless"/"limitless"/"infinite" with regards to universe size or universe number count in big words? Cool, High 3-A universe or 2-A multiverse, unless contradictions pop up. End of story. What's there to clarify here anymore?

Where is it clarified? In dictionaries? We already discussed this before, they all mean synonymousness same.

 

[KLOL506]

I still never mentioned tier 1

Doesn't matter, our reasons for using said words is different.

Where is it clarified? In dictionaries?

Ummmmm, yes? And common sense as well?

We already discussed this before

Where? All I've seen you doing is just "make a page to clarify it" when the dictionary has already done the job for us.

 

[KLOL506]

YOU LITERALLY CANNOT DEFINE OR HAVE THE DICTIONARY WORD INFINITE WITHOUT THE WORDS ENDLESS OR LIMITLESS. It’s an utterly baseless and illogical position to believe they aren't the same.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Ummmmm, yes? And common sense as well?

Common sense? Mind taking your time and go to search on this website and type “infinite; limitless; endless” keywords and see how many threads and confusion are there? I don't think it is “common sense”. It is a controversial topic in every verse/cosmology/power discussion.

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If it is common sense, why does this thread and 10 others exist? Even tho, it seems a serious question and not a troll question?

Where? All I've seen you doing is just "make a page to clarify it" when the dictionary has already done the job for us.

Then don't mind me, you can go back and re-read what I said. I did not only say “clarify terms”, I also said use examples, give conditions, at the end it all depends on verse and context as I agreed before and never denied it.

YOU LITERALLY CAN NOT DEFINE OR HAVE THE DICTIONARY WORD INFINITE WITHOUT THE WORDS ENDLESS OR LIMITLESS.

No need to use caps, as it seems to yell at me as I am talking with you respectfully and arguing over a solution.

It’s an utterly baseless and illogical position to believe they aren't the same.

Yes, they are not the same. I love the fact that you guys dodged the argument with power ability-clarification logic. Every power ability or term is clarified well + adding examples for it. And yet for each verse, they got their own definition.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

The affirmation that the words "endless" and "infinite" do not mean the exact same thing is a fundamental denial of the english language and how the language operates. It is solely some arbitrary and baseless reasoning created by battleboarders who hold the word infinite to a higher standard for no reason because they believe they are above the languages they converse in.

 

[Darksmash]

Nuke this thread imo

 

[KLOL506]

Common sense? Mind taking your time and go to search on this website and type “infinite; limitless; endless” keywords and see how many threads and confusion are there? I don't think it is “common sense”. It is a controversial topic in every verse/cosmology/power discussion.

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If it is common sense, why does this thread and 10 others exist? Even tho, it seems a serious question and not a troll question?

Only reason it is controversial is because people make up arbitrary reasonings to try and justify why those words don't mean the same because for some reason "infinite" has a higher standing than "endless" despite neither being able to function at all without the other. Seriously, those threads have no rights being this controversial when the definitions of the words are as clear-*******-cut as can be.

Then don't mind me, you can go back and re-read what I said. I did not only say “clarify terms”, I also said use examples, give conditions, at the end it all depends on verse and context as I agreed before and never denied it.

Do tell, how would these conditions work for verses that vary with usage and might have their own completely different standards?

Also in case you haven't noticed, using other verses to justify what one word means in another verse is a big no-no.

No need to use caps, as it seems to yell at me as I am talking with you respectfully and arguing over a solution.

Yet you've been ignoring everything we've been saying to you all this time.

Yes, they are not the same.

I'm sorry, what? What the hell do you mean they're not the same? You literally just kudos'd a guy who literally just stated out the fact that limitless/endless/infinite are literally the exact same ******* thing.

 

[Aetheric Pariah]

Endless=Without end but with an end because infinite is the only existing word that can "truly" mean something has no end
Infinite=Something that is endless

Battleboarders: Yeah that makes sense infinite is superior


Imo infinite is something that is not finite but also not infinite

 

[HammerStrikes219]

The affirmation that the words "endless" and "infinite" do not mean the exact same thing is a fundamental denial of the english language and how the language operates. It is solely some arbitrary and baseless reasoning created by battleboarders who hold the word infinite to a higher standard for no reason because they believe they are above the languages they converse in.

Yes, but that is also to account for the multiple definition of the words.

Other than that, I will stay out of this since this relies on context heavily in all cases.

Definition of ENDLESS

being or seeming to be without end; extremely numerous; joined at the ends… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[KLOL506]

Endless=Without end but with an end because infinite is the only existing word that can "truly" mean something has no end
Infinite=Something that is endless

Battleboarders: Yeah that makes sense infinite is superior


Imo infinite is something that is not finite but also not infinite

https://cdn.**********.com/emojis/882888536766955561.png

 

[Darksmash]

Why is multiple definitions even a point? Infinity itself can also be used hyperbolically. The main definition of all these terms(except immeasurable) would equate to infinity.

 

[KLOL506]

Why is multiple definitions even a point? Infinity itself can also be used hyperbolically. The main definition of all these terms(except immeasurable and countless) would equate to infinity.

FTFY

Honestly tho at this point it just depends on one point alone: WHETHER IT IS BEING USED HYPERBOLICALLY OR NOT

 

[ImmortalDread]

I'm sorry, what? What the hell do you mean they're not the same? You literally just kudos'd a guy who literally just stated out the fact that limitless/endless/infinite are literally the exact same ******* thing.

They are not same meaning lol? But in dictionaries, they are behaving like the same, in fiction it does not?

Endless=Without end but with an end because infinite is the only existing word that can "truly" mean something has no end
Infinite=Something that is endless

Battleboarders: Yeah that makes sense infinite is superior


Imo infinite is something that is not finite but also not infinite

I don't understand you at all. It is like saying it is red but not red?

Only reason it is controversial is because people make up arbitrary reasonings to try and justify why those words don't mean the same because for some reason "infinite" has a higher standing than "endless" despite neither being able to function at all without the other. Seriously, those threads have no rights being this controversial when the definitions of the words are as clear-*******-cut as can be.

Ok agreed.

Do tell, how would these conditions work for verses that vary with usage and might have their own completely different standards?

Also in case you haven't noticed, using other verses to justify what one word means in another verse is a big no-no.

Alright, let us turn this question to another question: abilities. We have wikis for abilities, yet every verse treats the ability differently? If you can answer this question and tell me why we have wikis/clarification pages for each ability but yet we know that every verse got its own standards and own definition, what is the point of those pages? If you give me a valid answer to this that seems convincing, I will stop arguing and agree with you.

Yet you've been ignoring everything we've been saying to you all this time.

I did not ignore any of your points. I was arguing your points.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Why is multiple definitions even a point? Infinity itself can also be used hyperbolically. The main definition of all these terms(except immeasurable) would equate to infinity.

Like, KLOl say, the definition of countless is legitimately too many to count. There are multiple dictionaries that reinforce that point straight on

 

[ImmortalDread]

Like, KLOl say, the definition of countless is legitimately too many to count. There are multiple dictionaries that reinforce that point straight on

So hypothetically, countless universes are not the same as infinite universes?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Why is multiple definitions even a point? Infinity itself can also be used hyperbolically. The main definition of all these terms(except immeasurable) would equate to infinity.

ExactoMundo... golden words.... stole words from my mouth.
Endless is not more hyperbolic than infinite and infinite isn't more technical than endless.
Both literally the same exact thing.

Either both are accurately used or both are hyperbolic. One isn't better or worse than other.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

So hypothetically, countless universes are not the same as infinite universes?

Not hypothetically technically speaking for multiverse shown in fiction, but more theoretical speaking, yes.

Also abilities legitimately having a page on this wiki is because those standards have been met plus they still follow the definitions in those abilities and they account for how that ability is shown

 

[Darksmash]

Like, KLOl say, the definition of countless is legitimately too many to count. There are multiple dictionaries that reinforce that point straight on

I didn't bring countless up because the OP didn't mention it. I was talking about endless, limitless, boundless etc. All of which have the exact same meaning and weightage as infinity itself without counter context.

 

[KLOL506]

They are not same meaning lol? But in dictionaries, they are behaving like the same, in fiction it does not?

Honestly the only two reasons I can think of why they don't mean the same in fiction is either because of shitty arbitrary reasonings made up by others to justify their bias and their flawed logic, or the statement is hyperbolic. Literally nothing else can explain these words not meaning what they're supposed to mean otherwise.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Not hypothetically technically speaking for multiverse shown in fiction, but more theoretical speaking, yes.

Also abilities legitimately having a page on this wiki is because those standards have been met plus they still follow the definitions in those abilities and they account for how that ability is shown

So theoretically speaking, they are the same but technically speaking, they are not the same (at least this is how I understood right now)

 

[ImmortalDread]

Honestly the only two reasons I can think of why they don't mean the same in fiction is either because of shitty arbitrary reasonings made up by others to justify their bias and their flawed logic, or the statement is hyperbolic. Literally nothing else can explain these words not meaning what they're supposed to mean otherwise.

I agree with you. I am not against that

 

[HammerStrikes219]

So theoretically speaking, they are the same but not technically speaking, they are not the same (at least this is how I understood right now)

Ugh, countless just means many universes which warrants a massive amount of 4D universes.

This is legitimately accounted for in multiverse theories.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

They are not the same as well.

Edit: This is referring to countless as well being used here.

 

[ImmortalDread]

They are not the same as well.

Alright. I agree with this as well. They are not the same, they both have different meanings in the fiction world. But according to dictionaries and synonyms, they are actually the same.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

… They are not the same.

Countless has never been used in same way as infinite or other words.

You can look up the definitions of countless and all it says is too numerous to count or so on.

Implying there is a finite limit to it

Definition of COUNTLESS

too numerous to be counted : myriad, many… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[ImmortalDread]

Also abilities legitimately having a page on this wiki is because those standards have been met plus they still follow the definitions in those abilities and they account for how that ability is shown

So your point is that creating the page to clarify those terms is useless and pointless because most cosmologies and verses did not meet the conditions.
@KLOL506 if you have explained like that above without yelling, I would agree that the page is pointless. I am not a closed mind person.

 

[ImmortalDread]

… They are not the same.

Countless has never been used in same way as infinite or other words.

You can look up the definitions of countless and all it says is too numerous to count or so on.

Implying there is a finite limit to it

But many websites show that it also refers to infinite? Also, what is the finite limit to it? Can you tell me the number?