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FIRE FORCE CRT: FTL IS POSSIBLE AND COMBAT APPLICABLE!

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So it's believed that Light speed can not be reached by anyone in the verse right? So we tend to ignore feats, not from Shinra, that could be FTL, Light speed, etcetera. We even make Shinra's FTL not combat applicable even when he never slows down once his body forms together at FTL speeds to land a blow. I believe that FTL is possible in the verse.

So all of these weird ideas came from Licht because some of us believe everything Licht says due to him being a scientific figure in the verse and, to some, "the smartest" right? Licht explains everything that is happening through his scientific scope which is partially wrong considering the fact it is revealed later in the story that most of the things happening are illogical. Later in the story, he realizes why he can't explain illogical things logically so he finally explains things in terms of how Adolla works.

Is Licht Right To Use Theory Of Relativity To Explain Shinra's powers? How fast is Shinra immediately after he disintegrates?

The concepts/theories Licht uses to discern these things are fine. These concepts govern this world, but after the Cataclysm, that wiped that world, was partially complete, So I can't say Licht is 100% right. There are a few flaws in the way he decides to deduce everything from these scientific theories. Adolla has the power to change the physics, mathematics, and Logic of THAT world. Since it was partially complete, who is to say the logic in the main world hadn't partially changed too? So if you see something that contradicts physics, it should be ignored as part of the things that have partially changed. Licht states that Shinra moving at FTL speeds would cause a black hole and we see that it never happens. The reason he said that is because he knows, according to the theory of relativity, an object's energy will increase as it approaches light speed, and at light speed, the object must require infinite energy to keep going, which is impossible in a universe with finite energy. Clearly, Shinra's energy isn't infinite at light speeds nor faster than light speeds. One more thing is that Shinra himself does not go back in time, his disintegrated body does. All of this could be one of the slight changes in physics from the previous Cataclysm, ergo those who react to Shinra at Faster Than Light speeds do not have to conform to special relativity.
Licht stated that objects disintegrate at a certain speed, later he states that Shinra's body disintegrates at the speed of light only on the basis of his time-stop ability. And he says that Shinra is moving at faster than light speeds to stop time. On top of the fact that there is no other way for him to discern what speed Shinra disintegrates at because he has no tools, however, he can only guess by his ability to time stop. This is also probably why he said Shinra disintegrates at light speed too, that's inaccurate. We shouldn't believe every single thing Licht says except it correlates with what is shown.
Next, We see that Shinra disintegrates before reaching light speed because, at light speeds, he is already in particle form. Yes!, Shinra can be in particle form even before reaching light speed. As shown when Shinra's particles froze when Sho stopped time. And when time began to move Again, Shinra was able to surpass light speed to reform and destroy a pillar. Licht says that if Shinra disintegrates at light speed, he will move in sho's stopped time. Clearly, that is incorrect. Shinra disintegrates before reaching the speed of light. Also, Shinra can do a lot more things with his speed. He can stop time, he can reverse time on his body at FTL speeds, He can turn back time, except on his body cuz he doesnt degenerate into nothingness going 250 years in the past, at FTL speeds, and He can bring buildings and things back from nonexistence into existence, one by one, at FTL speeds. It is that clear, Shinra's time manipulation does not totally conform to special relativity. As such Shinra's Time manipulation at FTL speeds should only be his ability and inherent to him.
Now, Shinra disintegrates because his body isn't strong enough to handle the shock, Those who are physically more sturdy than him will handle simple actions like reacting to attacks at high speeds. Therefore those who are capable of engaging in combat with FTL Shinra should scale accordingly. There is no scientific or in verse law that states every object breaks down at light speed. And due to the partial changes in logic from the last cataclysm, they don't have to conform to Special relativity to validate their feat. We can't ignore their feats.

Hopefully, I have been able to free Fire Force from its shackles. Now we can consider FTL speed feats. Send FTL speed feats you can find, so far these are the ones I know

 
He wasn't ftl there he was approaching it
Where is it stated that he was only approaching it?
it was later on after this fight where he stated he could actually go lightspeed without grace.
in 193 he gets an Adolla link.
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Disagree for obvious reasons
I will comment later on if someone does not beat me to it
Also shinra never went back 250 years in the past physically, so that whole point is moot
 
Your scan doesn’t relate to your claim. That happened after they disintegrate.

being able to hold your body together at high speeds is a durability feat. Now explain why this doesn’t apply in this case
Cause it’s your head canon??
His body disintegrate when he goes towards SOL then he goes FTL to reconstruct his body or rather go back to the past before his body was disintegrated

Nothing here is a durability feat
 
Cause it’s your head canon??
His body disintegrate when he goes towards SOL then he goes FTL to reconstruct his body or rather go back to the past before his body was disintegrated

Nothing here is a durability feat
If shinra's body disintegrates at sol then goes ftl to reconstruct his body that would literally fit with Burns and Sho reacting to him. You've basically agreed with the feats in question being ftl.
 
If shinra's body disintegrates at sol then goes ftl to reconstruct his body that would literally fit with Burns and Sho reacting to him. You've basically agreed with the feats in question being ftl.
Nope
You misread
He goes FTL anything past FTL in the verse turns back time
 
Nope
You misread
He goes FTL anything past FTL in the verse turns back time
I didn't misread, you blatantly said he goes sol then ftl to reconstruct his body, since that's the case and I just read Licht saying that same thing then when he disintegrates and comes back reconstructed that means he went ftl and Burns and Sho can react to him doing so. And I've brought this up before and @Arnoldstone18 has also said it in this post but I'll explain it again; Shinra's time travel is his special ability
that only he has shown, others react to him when doing this. Where is the confusion?
 
Ftl combat speed for others, Ftl travel speed for Shinra with time travel but not immeasurable speed combat speed.
 
Ftl combat speed for others, Ftl travel speed for Shinra with time travel but not immeasurable speed combat speed.
No
I didn't misread, you blatantly said he goes sol then ftl to reconstruct his body, since that's the case and I just read Licht saying that same thing then when he disintegrates and comes back reconstructed that means he went ftl and Burns and Sho can react to him doing so. And I've brought this up before and @Arnoldstone18 has also said it in this post but I'll explain it again; Shinra's time travel is his special ability
that only he has shown, others react to him when doing this. Where is the confusion?
It was not for shinra alone tho
Especially not after he took Inca with him on that speed and she too could go back in time
Half of what Arnold said is pure head canon and was not stated in the series
 
His body disintegrate when he goes towards SOL then he goes FTL to reconstruct his body or rather go back to the past before his body was disintegrated
Again

An object disintegrates when it reaches a certain speed. That’s a generalized thing if “an object” was used to describe it.
and it’s in the OP

Licht stated that objects disintegrate at a certain speed,

A person or thing capable of keeping their body from dismantling at high speeds is a durability feat.
 
It was not for shinra alone tho
Especially not after he took Inca with him on that speed and she too could go back in time
Half of what Arnold said is pure head canon and was not stated in the series
I'm saying only Shinra can do it with speed, which is true, Inca can be effected but not do it on her own
 
Everything I have said has been stated in the show

The cataclysm changes the logic of the world. This happened 250 years ago. And I’ve pointed out the difference between the previous world and the this one on the OP
 
For the durability argument to be valid there would have to be other instances of other characters dematerializing at speeds that aren't ftl. It's always ftl speeds.
 
For the durability argument to be valid there would have to be other instances of other characters dematerializing at speeds that aren't ftl. It's always ftl speeds.
Why do I have to if Licht already stated objects disintegrate at a certain speed?
 
This is actually not always the case with Shinra. He needed grace or adolla to achieve those speeds at certain points.
What do you mean it’s not actually the case?

In the burns scenario Shinra actually did achieve those speeds with the Adolla link with sho. With your logic He reached FTL speeds to strike Burns who reacted to him. @Nelliels already proved this
 
We aren't arguing for her to be ftl. and again I'm saying others are ftl in combat speed while Shinra can time travel
I have no idea why she’s relevant

point is. Shinra travels and strikes at FTL speeds and those who react to him shouod scale
Point is it was literally stated in the verse anything FTL causes a travel back in time
So yes those are your head canon
Literally stated going faster than light means you will go back in time
So I will take licht words over your head canons
 
Point is it was literally stated in the verse anything FTL causes a travel back in time
So yes those are your head canon
Literally stated going faster than light means you will go back in time
So I will take licht words over your head canons
So statements over blatant feats? This ain't head canon.
 
Pain hasn’t addressed the OP with any rebuttal except repeating the status quo and accusing me of using headcanon 💀

what do you think of the OP?
Yes I only need to address arguments that can be valid not your interpretation of things
You literally gave shinra time travel as an ability as opposed to what are stated in the verse that is a result of him going FTL
And you think I have any reason to address that??
So statements over blatant feats? This ain't head canon.
There are no feat of such unless you can show me someone else going into the past to counter a shinra who went FTL, then yes no one else has FTL feats
 
There are no feat of such unless you can show me someone else going into the past to counter a shinra who went FTL, then yes no one else has FTL feats
You are trying to cap the speed when the statement you're referring to is prior to anyone reacting to Shinra this just seems like you're ignoring feats and using old statements to hold back speed feats.

Yes I only need to address arguments that can be valid not your interpretation of things
We are all interpreting the manga in our own ways, you would have to address our interpretation or else you are just ignoring arguments that we put forth.
 
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