she one shotted Roa with it. she never hit Arc with it. she didn't have it against Einnashe and wasn't even in the location to his core. Satsujinki beat her and Merem there first to kill it. it one shots because that's what erasing a soul tends to do. the actual gun is not the Scripture. it's her modifications.
This definitely refers to her personality, the materials directly say that FGO Kiara is of a lesser scale and then proceed to mention that, despite this, she would have a better shot against Buddha than her CCC self due to Nega-Saver
I mean, the game itself directly says that upon becoming an Earth Mother Goddess, she was simply approaching that level, but if you want to say she was one too, then that'd just be more evidence they were equal. The Amaterasu thing is very easily verifiably wrong since Amaterasu has a direct statement of only one person in the entire mooncell being able to bring her to a level where she can lose.
Why wouldn't the event have been the way it was if she was at her CCC level though? The event is literally
That is by far the least logical intepreation of the dialogue. Not only is personality never mentioned, but them fusing was explicitly necessary to fuse Seraphix and Seraph. This is because they were the same being after the fusion, this wouldn't make sense if it was just their personalities that fused
Also no, she finished off a dying Roa with it so Shiki didn't have to have the kill, if it one shot then bringing it vs Einnashe would have been very smart
Wasnt Roa on his Death Bed and my point was that it seems that the target has to have been killed physically before their soul is nuked.
You right I was thinking of Black Barrel.
Huh I must be misremembering it then.
I mean my point was it kinda seemed to require someone to be killed before destroying their souls hell the thing used to only be effective against spirits until it was turned into a block of iron used to beat vampires to death, if simply touching it caused insta death why would it need to be used to beat vamps to death?
So? The Seventh couldn’t even be used on physical targets until after her modifications so wouldnt that be a negative for Gil here?
it said Arcueid was "just about" the only one who could beat Amaterasu. a nerfed Servant Arcueid in conceptual space where Amaterasu would be amped mind you.
Amaterasu has been compared to the sun across the board. where are her universal statements? (and yes I'm well aware that sun level in Nasuverse doesn't mean literal sun level. at least not in Extra)
immeasurable speed character waiting for something.
would nuke them all unless she went out of her way to let them live. (though maybe she did since I haven't seen that in a long time.)
BB nerfed one thing of hers if memory serves which was enough to beat her, some stats and healing and some other minor things. the amount of hax CCC Kiara would have at her disposal with the Moon Cell, absorbing BB, and being of universal scale is insane and getting rid of her mind hax would've done virtually nothing to stop her from crushing everyone with her other stuff or just physical stats. she's also supposedly weaker than other Beasts, who are inconceivably weaker than CCC characters. but I guess we can chalk this up to a Universe of Record and Universe of Observation difference.
The "just about" line doesn't exist in JP, it's "If we are talking about EXTRA and CCC only, she is the only one who can 'put the golden white face in a situation where it can be destroyed no matter how low the odds are" so its a direct statement of being the only one who has a chance against Amaterasu
There's a line in I think Extella, where they say that her being a sun god makes her a god of the universe or something weird like that
Literally happens in CCC too, it also makes sense here since she's waiting for two different spaces from different universes to fuse
She did, in fact nuke them yeah, its noted they all instantly died when she decided to stop talking
But BB nerfed more than one thing? She shut down one ability for free, and sold us the KP stuff to nerf everything else. The beasts being inconceivably weaker than CCC characters also isn't a point for GO Kiara being weaker, because that's only true if you in the first place argue GO Kiara isn't equal to the CCC one.
No, but it means it works upon him dying, as it had no feats of doing it to anyone otherwise.
This wouldn't make sense, even your explanation of "its easier to hit a dangerous enemy" just isnt true considering its stated the modified 7th is literally unable to be used by even Ciel unless she's reinforced to the max, because it's too heavy and large
Doesnt Roa’s immorality work in that even if he is killed his soul simply isnt “scrub” bu the Root and remains his own soul allowing him to return as himself?
It literally said it wasnt effective on physical entities, im pretty sure if it just murked their soul regardless it wouldnt be regarded as not effective given it would still be insta killing stuff either way and why on Earth would it need to be modified to beat the shit out of stuff physically if simply tapping them instantly kills them? That makes no sense and would be a massive waste of energy to not only the energy to modify it but also to beat them to death.
you'd need proof it doesn't exist because without it, it's a directly contradicted statement.
Ciel did not meet the requirements to kill Roa (piercing his heart would not kill Roa), but the Seventh still finished him off. likewise she killed Roa Shiki Tohno with the Seventh in a bad end. and simply piercing someone with DAA levels of regeneration isn't going to kill them. no offense, but not only is this theory baseless but contradicted too. the spear itself was modified to effect physical beings. that's how it stabs Roa directly, who is still very much in a moving physical body. it also erases Tatari Nrvnqsr without physically beating him to death (which can't even happen). granted Tatari just spawns another copy. the modifications of the Seventh included making the spear itself effect physical entities.
"EXTRA、ＣＣＣだけの話なら、金色白面を『どれほど勝率が低くとも撃破できる状況にできる』のは彼女ぐらいである" is the JP line. Which translates to what I said, which notably doesn't have "just about"
"Most divinity comes from the earth, but the Sun's belongs to the universe" and then they go on in that same scene to talk about how strong that makes her
Time rewind was the explanation given
She has to wait for our servant to come back from the horsehead nebula bfr thing, which happens fast enough for them to get between her and us, rather than her having already done whatever else to us or the servant during that time
It was supposed to just be all her stuff in general that she hit with the KP
Right, no like, multiverse or further destruction statements like Amatersu's, Mahapralaya doesn't exist, Surtr, etc
Yes but the thing is it's never one shot someone, it's had to well, kill them first. I'm also not aware of her simply tapping Shiki and obliterating his soul. This could also easily be argued to be because you know
Actually it would
Ah yes, it is the least logical when pretty much any other interpretation is inconsistent with her Character Material info.
Have you perhaps considered that the characters material info could be the inconsistent part
Didnt Roa get killed by having his heart ripped out and crushed?
Isnt this literally an anti-feat? It hits them but Tatari survives and makes another copy meaning it didnt just insta destroy their soul?
thank you. well this is a directly contradicted statement. contradicted by two others. the only way to make sense of it without disregarding it entirely is that Buddha in Extra was nerfed into the ground since he was in a Servant container and it isn't factoring in the unseen him at his true power. Kiara was also nerfed due to the specific circumstances, so perhaps it's including that. that's really the only way to make sense of it. the only other option is disregarding the statement entirely, since it's outnumbered in the contradicting statements going against it. but i'd prefer to try and stick with making sense of it.
So it hit Elesia Roa and didnt kill them? Then it doesnt destroy your soul the moment it touches you? Or what?
Then why bring them up if they are a different and odd case with their own weirdness? If they can’t be physically beaten to death and touching them doesnt deatroy their soul it sounds like they are simply irrelevant to this debate.
Its not really contradicted by any other statements no. The Kiara Buddha one isn't at all related to their strength, its very clearly and explicitly referring to Buddha being able to stand up to her because of his lack of secual desire, aka he isn't passively mind haxed. Not because no one else is as strong as her
This would make sense yes but the fact its explicitly "okay so she's a universe god instead of an Earth one so she's super strong" is quite literally just the same as the explanations for Bodhisattva
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She didn't mean an actual instant as she then clarifies they went ftl. So it wasn't immeasurable speed it was explicitly ftl there kek, meaning she did in fact wait as it took time, just a very low amount of it
Because she's just built different. Who knows
it being mistranslated is incorrect funnily enough, the word used was a word which meant 3000 worlds (already a multiverse) and said 3000 worlds also encompass a bunch of other worlds and the total number shoots up to something absurd like 27 billion because Buddhism, it just didn't directly use the word multiverse which is why people thought it was mistranslated
Like what, AAS, or some other thing which isn't actually a limited hax thing but was used in a specific capacity only because that's what the user wanted to accomplish?
By never fighting normal servants? At best its grands or people buffed in other ways by other god tiers, or they're netfed into the ground, or both.
For the same reason Enkidu was randomly given a super slow flight speed, Nasu says weird low end or much higher end stuff randomly sometimes, because it makes it easier for people to digest or something, like his fighter jet statement, or Gae Bolg being Mach 2 in the same VN where he says Shirou can think at light speed, etc
Again, look at the line from the mats I posted that literally says being stabbed with the scripture is the same as being injected with holy stuff. The same holy stuff noted at every point in the verse to be lethal to vampires, so yes, being stabbed by it would kill Roa despite his regen
No point posting it if you're already saying she's wrong rip.
the statement said Amaterasu is brought down to where she can be defeated, implying she can't be at all. and again, the universe statement.
problem is we don't know in what context she can destroy it. to say she's of that scale and power innately goes against what has been presented to her. especially since this is GO, meaning a lot of current statements would apply to her, like comparing her power level to the sun blatantly.
Ritsuka's gang and people that are unable to blitz them can hang in a supportive or defensive role against Beasts still. obviously they can't beat them or match them, but they can avoid instant blitz and obliteration. the entire Tiamat everything is an example of this. obviously when Beast actually get defeated it is under special circumstances, which is not what I'm talking about.
across the board Servants are consistently depicted in the supersonic to subsonic ranges with physicals nowhere near island level. the light statement from Shirou was clear hyperbole, especially since he included sound.
ok, but where's the evidence that the person needs to die for the Scripture's soul shit to take effect? because so far that has been completely baseless.
what? are you on the right topic? are you replying to the right person? you brought up Arcueid saying she could rip out Roa's heart to debunk his regen, not me. i was pointing out how she was wrong and we've seen his regen work on even higher levels than that. i have no idea what you're on about here at all.
Or, and hear me, the direct statements had a different context from your expectation?
because that thing wouldn't never work with Goetia whatever is it even by negating souls reincarnation it's pointless because in that temple death has no meaning.as long as he's inside his temple and not weakened by Ars Nova, His false ressurection will always goes brr whatever how he's defeated
