Beatrice vs Biscuit Krueger

[Nico-v11]

This is actually quite a thematic fight surprisingly. Two blonde older women that look like little girls that wear red dresses with white detailings. AP vs Hax

Speed Equalized, Biscuit starts in her suppressed form (as she normally would), 500 meter starting distance. Fight takes in the middle of a forrest on an island.

Beatrice: 0

Biscuit Krueger: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Confluctor]

Feels like a stomp ngl... especially since Beatrice doesn't start with her hax all the time from what I can remember.

 

[Nico-v11]

Feels like a stomp ngl... especially since Beatrice doesn't start with her hax all the time from what I can remember.

She used hax against Elsa with shadow magic (negates durability) as a starting move.

In fact in the anime she has only shown hax.

 

[Nico-v11]

Bump

 

[Armorchompy]

nen crush?

 

[Nico-v11]

nen crush?

That has to be relatively close, the fight starts at a distance

 

[Nico-v11]

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[Nico-v11]

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[Nico-v11]

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[Imaginym]

Bumping for interest.

 

[Imaginym]

In Speed Equalized, Speed is Equalized to the lower speed of the combatants. That's Beatrice's Speed.

Speed: Supersonic (Was easily able to keep up with Elsa)
Elsa:
Speed: Supersonic (Threw her knife so fast that it left even the sound of ripping the air trailing behind. Garfiel whom she is comparable was able to deflect it. Explicitly stated to be able to surpass the speed of sound)

The Speed of Sound, Google tells me is 343 m/s, although, our Supersonic Speed Tier begins at 377.3 m/s. Unsure why, but yeah. Beatrice is comparable to Elsa who's faster than sound. IDK with how much ease or difficulty this Elsa surpasses Sound, though.

Anyway, 500 meters / 377.3 m/s = 1.32520541 seconds.

So does this mean Beatrice scales to baseline Supersonic or above it or something?

What about Bisky?
Speed: High Hypersonic (Far superior to Gon and Killua, and slapped the latter so fast that he did not notice he was slapped until he felt pain. Dodged a throw from Razor, only being disqualified because of her large clothing) | At least High Hypersonic+ (Should be faster than before)

Do those Speeds apply to her Travel Speed?

If so, & if Bisky's first action is to say, run up & punch Beatrice, Beatrice has about 1.325 seconds before Bisky gets to where she is & socks her in the face.
(Assuming, mostly for the sake of simplicity, that Beatrice doesn't change position somehow, anyway.)

What's the AP/Durability gap?
Does Beatrice lead with hax? Would she do so here, from 500 meters away?
How would she behave, with an opponent 500 meters away?
Maybe she wouldn't expect a little girl she knows almost nothing about to be able to cross that distance in a little over a second.
Can Beatrice hax & retreat at the same time? Would she do that, knowing practically nothing about her opponent, & presuming she's deciding at the start of the match, when her opponent is still half a kilometer away?
Would it be in-character for Bisky to lead by running up & punching?
Although, that'd have to be some good vision to identify someone that far away; Your typical city block will be 100 to 300 meters long, AFAIK, & here they are, starting 500 meters away....

 

[Nico-v11]

Ok so I’m gonna answer the simple stuff first.

Beatrice starts with hax, which she immediately used on Elsa after being attacked. She also has no qualms in killing children as she tried to kill Meili without hesitation.

 

[Nico-v11]

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[FantaRin_The_First]

... I'm pretty sure that Beatrice absolutely requires Subaru to be with her to be able to use most of her potent hax.

 

[Nico-v11]

Pretty sure she can still use her strong hax, seeing how she sent the Great Rabbit to another dimension.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

That was when Subaru was with her.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Also, Beatrice's AP and Dura is around 27.66 tons, btw. But... Beatrice's starting move ignores durability and it is basically danmaku projectiles.

 

[Nico-v11]

That was when Subaru with her.

They were separated when she did Al Shamac. Although I think we should have two different keys for her since before the contract with Subaru she was able to drain mana from people in the mansion.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Nothing about her pre-Arc 4 was different from her as of right now of Arc 7, 'sides Beatrice having a stockpile of mana due to 400 years of saving it. At best, Beatrice Pre Arc 4 Self doesn't have current weaknesses but has the sad weakness of wanting to die.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Also, how does this nen crush work, and what is the distance of its effect?

 

[Imaginym]

Also, how does this nen crush work, and what is the distance of its effect?

IIRC, exposure to "bloodlust" in a Nen user's Aura/Nen can cause intense fear, paralysis, or, with prolonged exposure, death, for victims without Aura/Nen or an equivalent themselves. (Presumably, proficiency in their equivalent or whatever; All living creatures have Aura/Nen in HxH, even if they're not proficient in it, but we've shown that proficient & unproficient victims can still experience such effects.)

IIRC, it's usually most likely to be present in Ren, a flaring of the aura with an offensive-leaning balanced boost in both offenses & defenses, but it can also be present in just expanded aura if one is aggressive enough, or in En, which is an Aura-expanding technique used for detection, as the Aura/Nen equivalent of "ki-sensing" usually involves one's Aura/Nen making contact with what is to be detected.


Of course, I don't recall many of the scans, nor the statements, very well, so please be assured, my information may not be perfectly accurate, & any corrections by folks who know HxH are much appreciated.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

So... for non-nen users like Beatrice, would she get insta-death with this nen crush thingy since she doesn't have any equivalent to protect herself?

It is not like Beatrice has a hell of a chance to win without nen crush since it is required for her to have a person to be with her. and if they aren't, she can't really use her best moves.

 

[Nico-v11]

So... for non-nen users like Beatrice, would she get insta-death with this nen crush thingy since she doesn't have any equivalent to protect herself?

It is not like Beatrice has a hell of a chance to win without nen crush since it is required for her to have a person to be with her. and if they aren't, she can't really use her best moves.

Yes.

Beatrice can still attack with projectiles like she used against Elsa, the start distance is 500 meters and Biscuit is primarily a close quarters fighter.

 

[Imaginym]

So... for non-nen users like Beatrice, would she get insta-death with this nen crush thingy since she doesn't have any equivalent to protect herself?

IIRC, death requires prolonged exposure, but intense fear or paralysis may occur.

Does she really not have some ki or life-force equivalent in her 'verse?
Also, to Beatrice's benefit, the starting distance is 500 meters, but Biscuit's range is the... frustratingly vague rating of:
Range: Standard melee range
(I say frustratingly vague because again, Aura can probably go outside of your melee range. Heck, that's the whole point of using En, since it's a sensory technique!)
& Beatrice has....
Range: Tens of meters

I have no idea how big Biscuit's Ren's radius would be, but I doubt that it'd be more than a few meters. En would probably be bigger.
& since SBA lists 4KM as a default starting distance because it's around the upper limits of human vision, supposedly (IIRC), Biscuit SHOULD be able to see where Beatrice is, even if she can't see the details. By SBA, they're hostile.
So MAYBE she'd use En to try & learn about Beatrice, but....

Well, I'm not sure if a SBA-level hostile Biscuit in suppressed form would put enough bloodlust in her aura to induce effects.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

She has mana... and that is about it.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Yes.

Beatrice can still attack with projectiles like she used against Elsa, the start distance is 500 meters and Biscuit is primarily a close quarters fighter.

Still. That doesn't leave Beatrice with a lot of options, and her durability stems from magical barriers that Biscuit can likely break through with sheer AP and allow her to touch the human-level girl hidden behind said barriers.

 

[Nico-v11]

Still. That doesn't leave Beatrice with a lot of options, and her durability stems from magical barriers that Biscuit can likely break through with sheer AP and allow her to touch the human-level girl hidden behind said barriers.

Yeah but they can both one shot each other (damn near) and Beatrice will be able to start attacking first since she has range.