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Dragon Ball Z: Buu's immortality issue

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So, Buu has Immortality type 1 on his page as shown here:

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However, as you can see, Buu's type 1 Immortality has no scan to justify it, and nothing that proves that Buu can't age, even if he lived for so many years. Living for extremely long periods of time just falls into Longevity rather than type 1 immortality without proof that he can't age at all

Given that there's no proof on the profiles for why Buu got Type 1 Immortality, I suggest to remove it and replace this immortality with Longevity
 
I mean, Buu has showed signals of aging, he is not a biological being and didn't even born, and in top he has lived over hundreds of million of years; there's plenty of reasons to assume he is semi-immortal and wouldn't die nor be hindered by old age. If we limit to grant Eternal Life to those that have only feats to survive until the end of the time, most characters will lost the power, as there's no way of prooving that.
 
Antoniofer said:
I mean, Buu has showed signals of aging, he is not a biological being and didn't even born, and in top he has lived over hundreds of million of years; there's plenty of reasons to assume he is semi-immortal and wouldn't die nor be hindered by old age. If we limit to grant Eternal Life to those that have only feats to survive until the end of the time, most characters will lost the power, as there's no way of prooving that.
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Do you have any proof that he never ages? All I see from your comment is just assumptions, and we can't base our ratings on assumptions
 
He hasn't aged in hundred of millions of years, if there a reason to believe he is going to age and die in a hundred, thousand, million or even more years in the future?
 
Antoniofer said:
He hasn't aged in hundred of millions of years, if there a reason to believe he is going to age and die in a hundred, thousand, million or even more years in the future?
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Longevity is a thing. Besides that, are there even any statements of him being able to live forever or not age in the first place?
 
Antoniofer said:
He hasn't aged in hundred of millions of years, if there a reason to believe he is going to age and die in a hundred, thousand, million or even more years in the future?
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Just because he didn't age for millions of years doesn't mean he will NEVER age. Take actual stars as an example. Stars such as Red Dwarfs look pretty much the same for hundreds of billions of years, but they WILL still die at some point
 
Antoniofer said:
He hasn't aged in hundred of millions of years, if there a reason to believe he is going to age and die in a hundred, thousand, million or even more years in the future?
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If we are being fair, in even characters like Beerus have lived by similar metrics and we still only give him Longevity. To a lesser extent, Tohru is likely millions of years old chronologically but also has Longevity.

Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Just because he didn't age for millions of years doesn't mean he will NEVER age.
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On the opposite side however, Type 1 Immortals can still theoretically grow old; they can age it's just that they cannot die of old age. The distinction just needs to be made in-verse to separate it from Longevity.
 
Abstractions said:
If we are being fair, in even characters like Beerus have lived by similar metrics and we still only give him Longevity. To a lesser extent, Tohru is likely millions of years old chronologically but also has Longevity.


On the opposite side however, Type 1 Immortals can still theoretically grow old; they can age it's just that they cannot die of old age. The distinction just needs to be made in-verse to separate it from Longevity.
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Ok. Buu was never stated to not die from old age either. The only one in DB that is actually confirmed to never age or die is Future Zamasu and he is stated to be explicably immortal

There's nothing that says that either Buu can't age, or can't die from old age eventually
 
I understand the confusion, but if we currently go and deny Type 1 Immortality to individuals that have lived since immemorial times, we may up removing that power for most current users, as they end up dying due violent causes or the serie ends before the end of the times happens.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Ok. Buu was never stated to not die from old age either.
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That's fine, I'm just informing you that you can qualify for Type 1 and still be capable of aging. Simple clarification as I have no stake in the matter.
 
Antoniofer said:
I understand the confusion, but if we currently go and deny Type 1 Immortality to individuals that have lived since immemorial times, we may up removing that power for most current users, as they end up dying due violent causes or the serie ends before the end of the times happens.
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Immortality type 1 doesn't mean you can't die by any means. It just means you don't die from old age.

For Buu, there's nothing to prove he qualifies for that as there's nothing that proves he'll never die from old age
 
I am kinda siding with Gilad. Shin didn't age either for thousand years and we all know Supreme Kais can age.
 
There's neither proof that several users of type 1 Immortality will not die of old age: they live hundreds or thousand of years and then they proclaim themselves to be semi-immortal. A portion of them will not die when the serie finally ends, and another portion will die due violent causes, there's few characters that are 100% guaranteed to not die due the amount of years lived (at least not without stepping into higher dimentionality and whatever they call nowadays).
 
Antoniofer said:
There's neither proof that several users of type 1 Immortality will not die of old age: they live hundreds or thousand of years and then they proclaim themselves to be semi-immortal. A portion of them will not die when the serie finally ends, and another portion will die due violent causes, there's few characters that are 100% guaranteed to not die due the amount of years lived (at least not without stepping into higher dimentionality and whatever they call nowadays).
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How does that connect to Buu's case? Buu was never stated to never age, nor was he stated to not be able to die from old age. He just lives for a really long time and that's it. It's just a very extreme case of longevity

Bringing stuff from other verses prove nothing when they have nothing to do with Buu
 
Antoniofer said:
There's neither proof that several users of type 1 Immortality will not die of old age: they live hundreds or thousand of years and then they proclaim themselves to be semi-immortal. A portion of them will not die when the serie finally ends, and another portion will die due violent causes, there's few characters that are 100% guaranteed to not die due the amount of years lived (at least not without stepping into higher dimentionality and whatever they call nowadays).
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If a majority of characters are listed as immortal despite being not described or implied as such in series, then this would mean that they should be revised and changed to Longevity IMO. Either way, that is kind of beyond the scope of this CRT.
 
Antoniofer said:
but if we currently go and deny Type 1 Immortality to individuals that have lived since immemorial times, we may up removing that power for most current users
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Living since time immemorial is not proof of Type 1 Immortality, lemme say that first. Taking a look at what "time immemorial" means:
Time immemorial is a phrase meaning time extending beyond the reach of memory, record, or tradition, indefinitely ancient, "ancient beyond memory or record".
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Beings that are simply stated to live since time immemorial is more proof of Longevity than it is Type 1 Immortality.

Buu is this exact same case; he's been stated to live since time immemorial, which itself is not proof of Type 1 Immortality. If he had a statement of being able to live forever, then he would qualify. But he does not. Therefore, remove the ability from the page.
 
Time Immemorial doesn't even mean Infinitely in the past. It just means it was so ancient that nobody remembers that time, probably a time that came before the Gods and other beings. Also we all know that the universe started with the Big Bang 13.8 billion years ago, so Buu can't be older than that
 
In my view there's no indication that Buu ages and more importantly no indication that Buu will die from old age.

Even if he lacks a direct statement, something like "Possibly Type 1" isn't that outlandish of a rating. Especially since he's older than the vast majority of the known cast.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
In my view there's no indication that Buu ages and more importantly no indication that Buu will die from old age.

Even if he lacks a direct statement, something like "Possibly Type 1" isn't that outlandish of a rating. Especially since he's older than the vast majority of the known cast.
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That still doesn't prove anything. We can't based our ratings on baseless assumptions, especially since we'd base it on assumptions with no proof. Being older than the rest of the cast means nothing since that still falls into longevity without proof for type 1

Longevity can cover even those that live for billions of years or more, but without proof that they CAN live forever or NEVER die from old age, or age at all, we can't give him Type 1 Immortality
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That still doesn't prove anything.
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It does. Buu has been alive since before time was recorded, is older than everyone else, shows no visible signs of aging and you've provided no source or scan to suggest that Buu does age or suffers from its effects. He has enough evidence to suggest just outright Immortality that someone like Beerus would lack.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It does. Buu has been alive since before time was recorded, is older than everyone else, shows no visible signs of aging and you've provided no source or scan to suggest that Buu does age or suffers from its effects. He has enough evidence to suggest just outright Immortality that someone like Beerus would lack.
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That's litteraly Longevity, not Type 1 Immortality.

We don't grant immortality to every beings with a good lifespan.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Buu has been alive since before time was recorded, is older than everyone else, shows no visible signs of aging and you've provided no source or scan to suggest that Buu does age or suffers from its effects
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That doesn't mean he has Type 1 Immortality. Also, reverse burden of proof much? Burden of proof is on you to show that Buu qualifies for Type 1 Immortality. Him living longer than any record just means he's lived for a super long time. Not that he's Type 1 Immortal.

This is just going in circles.
 
QuasiYuri said:
We don't grant immortality to every beings with a good lifespan.
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Well from my search no official source ever gives him the description of immortal and Dragon Ball in general treats it far differently then it treats Majin Buu.

I guess just extreme Longevity works out due to lack of in-universe statements.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
It does. Buu has been alive since before time was recorded, is older than everyone else, shows no visible signs of aging and you've provided no source or scan to suggest that Buu does age or suffers from its effects. He has enough evidence to suggest just outright Immortality that someone like Beerus would lack.
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You keep saying that expecting us to just accept what you're saying. That's not enough proof for Type 1 Immortality, not even close.
 
Since no one else brought up anything yeah. Just link the Akira interview for his lifespan.
 
Antoniofer said:
I mean, Buu has showed signals of aging, he is not a biological being and didn't even born, and in top he has lived over hundreds of million of years; there's plenty of reasons to assume he is semi-immortal and wouldn't die nor be hindered by old age. If we limit to grant Eternal Life to those that have only feats to survive until the end of the time, most characters will lost the power, as there's no way of prooving that.
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Even then, we give longevity unless a character is stated to be immortal or unaffected by time, regardless of how long they've existed.
Buu might have stayed the same for hundreds of millions of years, but what about hundreds of billions? Who knows what would happen?

A good example is from the Elders of the Universe from Marvel Comics, who have existed since the beginning of the universe and everyone, them included, thought they were immortal, but at some point they reveal they only had super long longevity, they just hadn't lived enough to see themselves age.
The same should apply to any character who isn't confirmed to be unaffected by time by some evidence.


Anyway, I agree with replacing Immort with longevity.
 
I do need the other pages of Buu to be unlocked as well

EDIT: Finished DBZ Buu and Chou Buu, but I need DBH Buu unlocked
 
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