3-A DBS manga upgrade.

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Hello, well, new arguments have been found recently in favor of a Universe level rating for Chou characters.

The feat in question being Goku and Beerus's clash, I thanks Mr. Zamasu-Chan a lot for the Calc, thanks for the contribution Bro.

Now here we have the new found calcs:

DBS - Universe 7's destruction

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DBS (Manga) - Merged Zamasu gets angry

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Hopefully this upgrade can go through.


-Agree: Vietthai96, Darkdragomedeus (agrees with the mid end calc for 3-A, neutral on the Kaio Shin Calc), Dragon_Emperor_IV, Dalesean027, Orange, FluffyCreautureZ, Bernkastell, Confluctor, Gylad_Hyperstar.


-Disagree:

 

[Vietthai96]

Count me in for agreement. Which i doubt it is mattered anyway

 

[Dalesean027]

Consider the 3-A mid-end is accepted I agree, honestly long overdue

 

[Dragon_Emperor_lV]

I am also in agreement, but then again like it was mentioned above, our word is of salt

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Well, I'm iffy on the methods of stacking GBE calculations for the 1st calculation. Calculating energy required to destroy Kaioshin Realm looks fine on paper, but the surface area would already be quite large. But I'm overall more neutral, but think 3-A Chou still seems consistent for other reasons yeah.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

There's really no reason for them to be "At least 3-B", when it's pretty explicit they were going to annihilate the universe.

 

[Orange]

Count me for agreement even if it means nothing.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

There's really no reason for them to be "At least 3-B", when it's pretty explicit they were going to annihilate the universe.

People seem to agree mostly on the mid end calc.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Well, I'm iffy on the methods of stacking GBE calculations for the 1st calculation

Why? That's simply how the calculations work. Not my fault.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Why? That's simply how the calculations work. Not my fault.

I mean, he only refered to the kaio
realm Calc. He said he agrees with the 3-A tier overall

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Also, the Zamasu one wasn’t evaluated yet.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Also, the Zamasu one wasn’t evaluated yet.

Still, mid end Universe level for the Bog feat is accepted by Kieran from the Calc group iirc.

 

[Arthex]

Pain, and here I thought some drama would happen, I even ordered 2 giant ice cream buckets.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Pain, and here I thought some drama would happen, I even ordered 2 giant ice cream buckets.

This upgrade is not too controversial, as it would be inmesurable speed for a DB character.

 

[SirAlex09]

Neutral. The official translations only refer to 1 galaxy and then we have the Moro blowing up which also only refered to 1 Galaxy in the official translation.

Saying " I will destroy all galaxies" to imply universal destruction seems kinda iffy. If he really meant the universe he would have said it like that...

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Mid End timeframe works for me, and I said I was neutral with the 795x baseline for 3-A being the size more so.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Neutral. The official translations only refer to 1 galaxy and then we have the Moro blowing up which also only refered to 1 Galaxy in the official translation.

Saying " I will destroy all galaxies" to imply universal destruction seems kinda iffy as well. If he really meant the universe he would have said it like that...

Yeah, Zamasu-Chan says Merged Zamasu's feat is not evaluated yet, apparently.

Anyways, most people are agreeing with the mid 3-A Calc for the Bog clash

 

[Arthex]

This upgrade is not too controversial, as it would be inmesurable speed for a DB character.

even if they show whis time travelling with raw speed or something, the standards for immeasurable would change just so db dosent get it lmao.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

even if they show whis time travelling with raw speed or something, the standards for immeasurable would change just so db dosent get it lmao.

̶O̶b̶v̶i̶o̶u̶s̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶n̶e̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶u̶s̶ ̶

Anyways, let's not derail the thread

 

[Damage3245]

I have a hard time taking this diagram seriously.

Not that I think this might be an inaccurate representation of the verse, but using it for a calc like this is counter-intuitive

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I have a hard time taking this diagram seriously.

Not that I think this might be an inaccurate representation of the verse, but using it for a calc like this is counter-intuitive

Do you agree with the mid end calc for 3-A?

 

[Damage3245]

Do you agree with the mid end calc for 3-A?

I don't agree with the calc at all tbh.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I don't agree with the calc at all tbh.

I mean the time frame Calc for the BOG clash.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I agyree

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I have a hard time taking this diagram seriously.

I don't agree with the calc at all tbh.

Why?

 

[Damage3245]

Why?

Why is the area outside of the overall sphere assumed to be proportional in size to the interior of the bottom half? The top half of the sphere (where King Kai lives) clearly isn't assumed to be proportional.

Why does the calc take the Earth being "on the edge of the Universe" to mean it is at the edge of the "Observable Universe" inside the bottom half of the sphere? If that sphere is supposed to be the diameter of the Observable Universe as we know it IRL, then shouldn't the DB Earth be in the center of that sphere, not the edge? Otherwise what is it centred on?

And aside from those points, it seems a highball to assume that the Earth is on the furthest edge from the realm of the Kais. Increases the distance when it isn't necessarily that far.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Why is the area outside of the overall sphere assumed to be proportional in size to the interior of the bottom half? The top half of the sphere (where King Kai lives) clearly isn't assumed to be proportional.

Why does the calc take the Earth being "on the edge of the Universe" to mean it is at the edge of the "Observable Universe" inside the bottom half of the sphere? If that sphere is supposed to be the diameter of the Observable Universe as we know it IRL, then shouldn't the DB Earth be in the center of that sphere, not the edge? Otherwise what is it centred on?

And aside from those points, it seems a highball to assume that the Earth is on the furthest edge from the realm of the Kais. Increases the distance when it isn't necessarily that far.

Still, even without that, the mid end clash Gor the Bog stills being 3-A, with a lawballed time frame of 10 minutes, which gives us a 3-A rating anyways.

 

[Jibz]

Is the pic of Uni 7 useable for calcing?

 

[StekFence]

I disagree with the calc, only cos the diagram used to find the distance doesn’t seem to be proportional, as earth looks like it’s 1/30 the whole universe there

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I disagree with the calc, only cos the diagram used to find the distance doesn’t seem to be proportional, as earth looks like it’s 1/30 the whole universe there

Still, even without that, the mid end clash for the Bog stills being 3-A, with a lawballed time frame of 10 minutes, which gives us a 3-A rating anyways.

 

[StekFence]

I like the idea of 3-A dbs, but I’m iffy on this Cos of my issues with the distance, however since the calc is accepted, then maybe I’m missing something, guess i agree.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Why is the area outside of the overall sphere assumed to be proportional in size to the interior of the bottom half? The top half of the sphere (where King Kai lives) clearly isn't assumed to be proportional.

It's the only picture we have for volume scaling. It's even shown like that in the manga.

Why does the calc take the Earth being "on the edge of the Universe" to mean it is at the edge of the "Observable Universe" inside the bottom half of the sphere? If that sphere is supposed to be the diameter of the Observable Universe as we know it IRL, then shouldn't the DB Earth be in the center of that sphere, not the edge? Otherwise what is it centred on?

And aside from those points, it seems a highball to assume that the Earth is on the furthest edge from the realm of the Kais. Increases the distance when it isn't necessarily that far.

You didn’t read the entire blog. I linked the picture that shows the location of earth. It's shown here and here.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

I like the idea of 3-A dbs, but I’m iffy on this Cos of my issues with the distance, however since the calc is accepted, then maybe I’m missing something, guess i agree.

I mean, yeah, what was accepted was the lawballed time frame of 10 minutes for the Clash in the Bog arc, which mid end gives us a 3-A level feat regardless.

 

[Damage3245]

It's the only picture we have for volume scaling. It's even shown like that in the manga.

The representation of the Universe is the same, yes, but that doesn't mean it is proportional. I don't see how the size scaling of the bottom half of the sphere can be applied outside of it.

You didn’t read the entire blog. I linked the picture that shows the location of earth. It's shown here and here.

That still doesn't explain why the Observable Universe isn't centered on Earth.

 

[Jibz]

It's the only picture we have for volume scaling. It's even shown like that in the manga.

Just because it's shown like that in the manga, doesn't make it an accurate representation that'll be useful for volume scaling. It's just a portrayal of the universe. Hell it's even cut off and slanted.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The representation of the Universe is the same, yes, but that doesn't mean it is proportional. I don't see how the size scaling of the bottom half of the sphere can be applied outside of it.

That's it's only depiction that shows all the realms, so why would it not be proportional?

That still doesn't explain why the Observable Universe isn't centered on Earth.

Why would it be? I showed you the location and you just acked as if you didn’t see it.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Just because it's shown like that in the manga, doesn't make it an accurate representation that'll be useful for volume scaling. It's just a portrayal of the universe. Hell it's even cut off and slanted.

What? It's like that in the guides that are supposed to be accurately display what the universe looks like. The fact it's in the manga makes it 100x more credible.

 

[Jibz]

What? It's like that in the guides that are supposed to be accurately display what the universe looks like. The fact it's in the manga makes it 100x more credible.

The top part, is the after life
The middle. is the mortal plane
and the bottom is demon realm

Look at the pic and tell me it honestly looks accurate. It's obviously simplified to make it easier for readers to understand. Hell Toriyama literally says this:

"
I think it’s something I came up with so both I and the readers would be able to easily grasp it. The big ball in the center is the world known as “this world” and “the afterlife”, and the one who watches over it from outside is Kaiōshin.
— “Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume” (p. 92)"

With various versions of the universe being altered by Toriyama, e.g. Daizenshuu 4

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

The top part, is the after life
The middle. is the mortal plane
and the bottom is demon realm

Look at the pic and tell me it honestly looks accurate when the mortal plane is literally just the bloody Earth and the Sun to the side. It's obviously simplified to make it easier for readers to understand (Earth and Sun synonymous with mortal realm which is why it represents it). Hell Toriyama literally says this:

"
I think it’s something I came up with so both I and the readers would be able to easily grasp it. The big ball in the center is the world known as “this world” and “the afterlife”, and the one who watches over it from outside is Kaiōshin.
— “Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume” (p. 92)"

With various versions of the universe being altered by Toriyama, e.g. Daizenshuu 4

Not that it matters, we still can use the time frame Calcs for the mid end for 3-A, the law balled one stills being 3-A regardless.

 

[Jibz]

Not that it matters, we still can use the time frame Calcs for the mid end for 3-A, the law balled one stills being 3-A regardless.

Listen, i get you want 3-A and i do aswell, but justifying wether or not the pic is accurate does matter and is a conversation we need to have.