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its not necessarily gonna be 2-A, i mean we already see 2-A pokemon often hold back against pokemon lower than them and not turn them to dust with their attacks, what's the evidence of heatran using the plate to its full potential?
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Heatran (Pokemon upgrade)
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I didn’t watch all 4 episodes yet so I’m just going off spoilers but doesn’t the flame plate literally turn Heatran into that because the plates power overloaded and made it lose control?
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Try 13:27 into the 4th episode.
Lake Trio maybe, but the CT are very consistently tier 2. It'd be unnecessary for them. And besides, we've already had this discussion, a varies tier would just be used to handwave the instances of extreme PIS they go through when there's no canonical lore/statements that back a varies tier.
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I did and that's what I found (posted above) I did and that's what I found, as I said nothing implies that Sinnoh would be completely destroyed, it was clearly stated that the explosion would've only caused some serious damage to Sinnoh region which still doesn't necessarily mean that the entire region was gonna get blown up
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"We saved Mount Tengan and the whole Sinnoh Region!" does kinda imply the whole Sinnoh Region would have been destroyed. And really, all my point was is that the feat isn't necessarily limited to just 7-A mountain destruction (and even then, destructive capacity =/= attack potency).
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Can you prove that they tried at least a little bit against Dialga and Palkia? And prove that Arceus wants to help people less so they can solve their problems?
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1. You just showed them actually using protect against Palkia and Dialga, meaning that they saw the duo as a threat at that moment that they had to put their strength together to stop. Meanwhile the only thing they did with Heatran is follow him
2. Watch the final episode after the part where Heatran is saved and Arceus begins leaving. Cynthia gives a small speech about Arceus trying to make people help themselves without getting involved too much.
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They also did attempt to fight Heatran and use Psychic against Heatran, so they were serious
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the didn't use psychich to attack him. They used it to fuse three attacks into one, helping, not attacking.
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Helping to attack is literally attacking dude, you're literally grasping as straws now
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ah yes, i gave an arrow to an archer, i am totally attacking.
I ain't grasping at straws, you are trying to argue that slightly enhancing three high 7-A attacks by fusing them is gonna make a guy 2-A
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Bad analogy, they actually put their power and energy into the "high 7-A" attack. They didnt just "fuse" it
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prove it then. All i see is them using telekinesis to fuse a bunch of water attacks into a ball the same way the used it to let everyone float in the air to save Heatran in the end. Not to mention, if the lake trio is using 2-A levels of energy in this specific instance then why did they need to amplify high 7-A attacks? Makes no sense, just like the entirety of your current argument.
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You do realise that theres this purple aura around that water ball, implying they put their psychic energy into the attack? And thats not a reason to lowball them, the Lake Trio literally needed the help of Pikachu and the rest to destroy the Red Chain, which is why they had to call Ash, Dawn and Brock telepathically to help them against Dialga and Palkia, and wouldnt have fought Dialga and Palkia unless Ash and gang joined them. Are we gonna downgrade Lake Trio to high 7-A because of this too?
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i'd give em a varies tier personally
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Evidence?
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Okay no. This “varies” copout and amount of deflecting just to try arguing against the upgrade is starting to get ridiculous now.
I don’t know why people think psychic from the Lake Trio wouldn’t have them put their own power into the move when psychic is making use of their own energy, just as it does for any user of the move. But even IF the arguments of them only combining High 7-A attacks had any kind of merit behind them (which, given this form of Heatran was completely unphased by that combined attack, makes this already an unlikely option), one could also very much just argue that the Lake Trio playing a supporting role here in and of itself is a proof of this form being on the same level as them. Why take the more complicated route of going through so much more extra steps, including the intervention of Arceus itself, if the Lake Trio on their lonesome could handle this Heatran? A Heatran that, again, was empowered by an object from a being immensely more powerful than the Lake Trio by considerable leaps and bounds?
Again people, the Lake Trios part in all of this isn’t even the only thing to look at here. Again, Arceus himself came in to intervene, which wouldn’t be necessary if this form of Heatran wasn’t that big of a threat. And the form is getting all of the work done using Arceus’s own plate on top of that.
And it’s interesting that earlier it was mentioned Cynthia saying that Arceus wants people and Pokémon to be able to solve their own problems without getting involved so much, but yet the small but important detail that was left out or conveniently ignored is that Arceus always watches everything that happens and will only provide them a hint to solve issues if there’s nothing else they can do on their own. Which, including that small detail, can also be another proof that sided with Heatran getting the upgrade when considering the Lake Trio were actively involved in this debacle longer than Arceus and the latter still took it upon itself to intervene in the matter. Which wouldn’t be a necessary thing to do if the Lake Trio by themselves were able to help Ash and the others to finish the task without Arceus.
I don’t know why people think psychic from the Lake Trio wouldn’t have them put their own power into the move when psychic is making use of their own energy, just as it does for any user of the move. But even IF the arguments of them only combining High 7-A attacks had any kind of merit behind them (which, given this form of Heatran was completely unphased by that combined attack, makes this already an unlikely option), one could also very much just argue that the Lake Trio playing a supporting role here in and of itself is a proof of this form being on the same level as them. Why take the more complicated route of going through so much more extra steps, including the intervention of Arceus itself, if the Lake Trio on their lonesome could handle this Heatran? A Heatran that, again, was empowered by an object from a being immensely more powerful than the Lake Trio by considerable leaps and bounds?
Again people, the Lake Trios part in all of this isn’t even the only thing to look at here. Again, Arceus himself came in to intervene, which wouldn’t be necessary if this form of Heatran wasn’t that big of a threat. And the form is getting all of the work done using Arceus’s own plate on top of that.
And it’s interesting that earlier it was mentioned Cynthia saying that Arceus wants people and Pokémon to be able to solve their own problems without getting involved so much, but yet the small but important detail that was left out or conveniently ignored is that Arceus always watches everything that happens and will only provide them a hint to solve issues if there’s nothing else they can do on their own. Which, including that small detail, can also be another proof that sided with Heatran getting the upgrade when considering the Lake Trio were actively involved in this debacle longer than Arceus and the latter still took it upon itself to intervene in the matter. Which wouldn’t be a necessary thing to do if the Lake Trio by themselves were able to help Ash and the others to finish the task without Arceus.
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In other words you clearly agree with 2-A Heatran right ?
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I said earlier I agreed.
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I also agree with Heatran getting the upgrade.
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It will obviously be a separate key
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Bump
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lets get 2 more staff members to agree, at least
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Yes
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As well as the P&A additions. Finally a Pokémon 2-A isn't obnoxiously haxxed.
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doomslayer exists
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yep
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Shall we notify the moderators?
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Yeah
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