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Implies that he sustains the Void, doesn't always mean its omnipresence
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Final Fantasy Downgrades
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I don't think that means he sustains it. the void was working fine even before they were swallowed up somehow it wasn't ok after they got swallowed up and got defeated really implying something more than just sustaining it or being just a part rather than one with it.
So Glassman would make sense in this case
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@XXKINGXX69 Ok so you're just trolling with me at this point if you seriously need a definition of that.
How is it a perspective thing when you see meteors coming from space 5 seconds prior to the last one flying? Answer this question before you keep making these baseless assumptions.
Needing muscles is not a requirement to lift something as abstract as a thing that exists across time and space in a multiverse. Also you flat out admit they pushed the Void back, therefore it scales to LS.
So his death collapsing the Void means it doesn't Collapse the void? Are you even listening to yourself at this point?
How is it a perspective thing when you see meteors coming from space 5 seconds prior to the last one flying? Answer this question before you keep making these baseless assumptions.
Needing muscles is not a requirement to lift something as abstract as a thing that exists across time and space in a multiverse. Also you flat out admit they pushed the Void back, therefore it scales to LS.
So his death collapsing the Void means it doesn't Collapse the void? Are you even listening to yourself at this point?
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If he’s down with it I’ll do it
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Coming from space doesn't mean its coming from the stars
You do need muscle strength, that's literally LS. Unless its telekinesis lifting strength. That would be the Crystal's LS via telekinesis, it doesn't amp everyone's lifting strength to that level. And again, no indication of every damn Dissidia character scaling to them in LS. We don't see them grappling each other or anything.
Exdeath didn't even collapse the Void when he died, it was the Crystals who pushed it back (didn't even collapse it, just undid what Exdeath did). Also, it could just be that he didn't have control over the Void anymore
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When did I say meteor is coming from the stars? I said it’s flying past stars
When you reach immeasurable and Infinite LS, that doesn’t qualify for you lifting it by muscle strength anymore when they’re more abstract in form. Except that it does, that’s literally what happens every time they get near a crystal, they get amped with new powers. Why would they not scale when they are all comparable to each other?
What does Exdeath have to do with Enuo in my point here? Also no shit he lost control over the Void, he got consumed by it and became one with it just like what happened to Enuo.
When you reach immeasurable and Infinite LS, that doesn’t qualify for you lifting it by muscle strength anymore when they’re more abstract in form. Except that it does, that’s literally what happens every time they get near a crystal, they get amped with new powers. Why would they not scale when they are all comparable to each other?
What does Exdeath have to do with Enuo in my point here? Also no shit he lost control over the Void, he got consumed by it and became one with it just like what happened to Enuo.
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You don't. If this is the case, then we should just downgrade every machine, weird-alien-creature-thing, and anything else that doesn't have muscle but still has notable lifting strength feats, which is obviously a bad idea.
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How is it flying past stars??? It just comes from space
Immeasurable lifting strength is using LS to lift things that are 4D and above in mass. No FFV character lifts anything. And I know they get amped with power, you need to prove their LS is amped to. Scaling to someone doesn't mean your LS scales to?
You still failed to address my point, the Void collapsing or anything doesn't even automatically mean Exdeath and Enuo is omnipresent, we see their true forms aren't one with the Void
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but XIV Exdeath isn't the same as regular Exdeath as this one was created by Omega
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I need proof of this cuz I dunno much about FFXIV.
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I am 99.99999% sure there was a reset after final fantasy 6.
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All I saw was magic disappearing and Kefka controlling all reality
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yes that's the reason Exdeath is in XIV as he's a duplicate created by Omega in the interdimensional rift in order to test and examine to adapt
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No I mean proof
And a clone is supposed to be the same thing, right? Not that it matters, Enuo's sprite doesn't show him being the entire void or anything
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Wow, resorting to sprite artwork for an argument. Is this the new low?
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Its literally just how Enuo looks dude. I'd recommend you don't comment on verses you don't know about
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Birds gotta fly, fish gotta swim, and fighting a boss that looks like nothing would be really boring lol
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Not a valid argument, he could manifest in that one body but has a true form being one with the Void. Too bad that's not stated anywhere, only that he has full control over it
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it doesn't have to fly past stars. It appears to fly past 'em. Me waving my hand across the night sky doesn't make me MFTL+
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statement of Omega recreating all these bosses which includes Exdeath
also not gonna lie your sprite argument is pretty bad
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Ok thanks for that but whats wrong with the sprite argument? Its literally showing you how Enuo looks like. Official artwork toostatement of Omega recreating all these bosses which includes Exdeath
also not gonna lie your sprite argument is pretty bad
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@XXKINGXX69 The visuals show it, can you give a better argument instead of repeating the same thing? If you can’t then I don’t see the reason to leave this thread open as I’ve already addressed your points for the 12th time.
You literally admit they get amped with power, their Lifting strength would scale as a result given the Crystals are capable of doing that.
When the **** are the sprites remotely an argument? They are not accurate to what the actual size of a character is given you have Golbez tower over everyone in boss form but he’s in the same size as Fusoya when he’s a good guy.
@Da_Lunge_Fish What ******* argument is that? It’s literally in outer space and flies past numerous stars to crash into the planet. Your handwave is a massive false equivalence.
You literally admit they get amped with power, their Lifting strength would scale as a result given the Crystals are capable of doing that.
When the **** are the sprites remotely an argument? They are not accurate to what the actual size of a character is given you have Golbez tower over everyone in boss form but he’s in the same size as Fusoya when he’s a good guy.
@Da_Lunge_Fish What ******* argument is that? It’s literally in outer space and flies past numerous stars to crash into the planet. Your handwave is a massive false equivalence.
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What visuals? And I keep asking you for proof it amps lifting strength, if you can't prove it then it needs to be removed already
You can go to outer space, see the stars around, and see things from a far that look like they're in the same position as a star, but they're obviously not. It is very possible for the meteor to have come from outer space somewhere instead of just the stars
If you have no other proof, I think this downgrade can be applied, we already got enough staff
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because the sprite argument is pretty much the same as saying a character a character isn't MFTL because the viewers can see them, it's just visual convenience that even other series with nonexistent characters have
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The sprite of Enuo is how he actually looks like, not a good comparison. I know the size isn't to scale obviously.
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again how is this an argument? besides it doesn't help with the fact that his overworld sprite is just a glowing orb
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@Antvasima I severely doubt King’s gonna follow through with the summarizing points, and he’s just repeated the same arguments I’ve addressed for the nth time. If this keeps up we might as well close it as nothing new’s brought to the table.
@XXKINGXX69 And you have no proof that the meteors don’t fly past stars except for random assumptions. Your entire argument is based around random what ifs instead of what’s shown in the animation.
Im talking about Meteor with visuals. Also I do have proof, you keep ignoring that proof and you’ve flat out admit it’s from the crystals power that it pushed back the void, which scales to the WoL.
Those staff members who haven’t commented in a while and more and more people are disagreeing with your arguments as this thread goes on. The only downgrade that’s remotely going through right now is infinite speed WoL.
@XXKINGXX69 And you have no proof that the meteors don’t fly past stars except for random assumptions. Your entire argument is based around random what ifs instead of what’s shown in the animation.
Im talking about Meteor with visuals. Also I do have proof, you keep ignoring that proof and you’ve flat out admit it’s from the crystals power that it pushed back the void, which scales to the WoL.
Those staff members who haven’t commented in a while and more and more people are disagreeing with your arguments as this thread goes on. The only downgrade that’s remotely going through right now is infinite speed WoL.
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I don't mind the meteor speed calculation, but I think Glassman makes sense mostly.
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Still no evidence they increase lifting strength
Most people were agreeing I did summarise whats accepted in the OP. Absolutely no one but you agrees meteors fly through stars because they come from outer space
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And still in denial of my argument, fantastic what a great debate.
You mean the same people who hasn’t remotely given a good argument against meteor besides visuals which I’ve debunked? Again, bring something new to the table or I will close this thread as there’s nothing else to debate at this point.
You mean the same people who hasn’t remotely given a good argument against meteor besides visuals which I’ve debunked? Again, bring something new to the table or I will close this thread as there’s nothing else to debate at this point.
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"In denial" You've repeatedly ignored me asking for evidence and repeated the same arguments without evidence I kept asking for, and now you want to close the thread because you're losing an argument?
@Antvasima It would be good if you could tag FF supporters to see what they think
@Antvasima It would be good if you could tag FF supporters to see what they think
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What argument am I losing here? You’re the one with less and less arguments to make in this entire thread. And I’ve told you that the main of mechanic of the crystals is blessing them with wide variety of power and making them stronger. Therefore the LS would easily scale as that’s the source of their power.
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Yeah so you're ignoring my question about Enuo and the Void, same with meteors from space
And prove that it increases LS, I'll wait. Also prove everyone in Dissidia scales in LS, not just AP
And prove that it increases LS, I'll wait. Also prove everyone in Dissidia scales in LS, not just AP
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No I have addressed it, all you’ve said is it’s not that because reasons. It doesn’t mean this because reasons. Come up with a better argument, this is my last chance to you to stop repeating the same arguments you’ve made a dozen times, or I will close the thread and just remove the infinite speed WoL.
Crystals amp characters with everything, crystals push back Void, do the math. Also I literally told you they clash and push back the FF5 crew and are comparable to them. Basic powerscaling 1 o 1.
Crystals amp characters with everything, crystals push back Void, do the math. Also I literally told you they clash and push back the FF5 crew and are comparable to them. Basic powerscaling 1 o 1.
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Send scans for all that
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