About The Difference Of Existance

[Shiro0404]

For Example , TET VS ANOS :

Tet is 13D but has no hax to interact with non-existance being and is only able to influence the universal + structure , Anos will be not able to interact with Tet , so will this fall into incon ?

 

[Planck69]

Pretty much, yeah. Without the ability to interact with your opponent, no amount of power is allowing you to do anything to them specifically (though indirect methods like destroying the entire timeline they live in and thus preventing them from ever existing may overcome this for some characters).

 

[Kuro4416]

Yes, because both will find a dead end

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Pretty much, yeah. Without the ability to interact with your opponent, no amount of power is allowing you to do anything to them specifically (though indirect methods like destroying the entire timeline they live in and thus preventing them from ever existing may overcome this for some characters).

Just asking. If 10D character has no way to interact with non existent character of any low dimensionsal so is it just gonna end up as a draw?

 

[Dereck03]

Just asking. If 10D character has no way to interact with non existent character of any low dimensionsal so is it just gonna end up as a draw?

ye

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

ye

So what about outer characters?

 

[Dereck03]

Same, unless you're tier 0

 

[Kuro4416]

Same, unless you're tier 0

So this would be Nep = H1A (without having the performance to interact with non-existence)?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Same, unless you're tier 0

Can plot manipulation affect NEP. Also isn't outer characters sees dimensional beings as FICTION

 

[Kuro4416]

Can plot manipulation affect NEP. Also isn't outer characters sees dimensional beings as FICTION

Why not, the plot manip is based on RW+4th breaking wall so well, it can still be, iirc it requires feats

 

[Dereck03]

So this would be Nep = H1A (without having the performance to interact with non-existence)?

That was with the old NEP2 standars, im not sure about new ones, but most of matches of tier 1 vs lowers tiers end up as incon due to tier 1 not being able to affect NEP2 or the famous Acausality 5

Can plot manipulation affect NEP. Also isn't outer characters sees dimensional beings as FICTION

You need feats of affecting it.... Also you can't even see someone as a fiction if it don't even exist.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That was with the old NEP2 standars, im not sure about new ones, but most of matches of tier 1 vs lowers tiers end up as incon due to tier 1 not being able to affect NEP2 or the famous Acausality 5

So if opponent has NEP type 2 concept but he never has shown interaction with other NEP type 2 concept. Can be still interact with NEP type 2 concept of others.

You need feats of affecting it.... Also you can't even seen someone as fiction if it didn't exist

So they can't even see NEP type 2. Ok

 

[Dereck03]

So if opponent has NEP type 2 concept but he never has shown interaction with other NEP type 2 concept. Can be still interact with NEP type 2 concept of others.

The old standards implied that you could only affect NEP if you were NEP or could affect it, I think with the new standards it will vary depending on the type of NEP you have or affect.

 

[Kuro4416]

So if opponent has NEP type 2 concept but he never has shown interaction with other NEP type 2 concept. Can be still interact with NEP type 2 concept of others.

Yes

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The old standards implied that you could only affect NEP if you were NEP or could affect it, I think with the new standards it will vary depending on the type of NEP you have or affect.

Btw have you read Tensura. I need to know which character does that Nothingness concept comes from. Can Rimuru affect NEP type 2 concepts

 

[Dereck03]

Btw have you read Tensura. I need to know which character does that Nothingness concept comes from. Can Rimuru affect NEP type 2 concepts

I'm not that knowledgeable in Tensura only a bit.... And no.. Rimuru has no feats of affecting NEP

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm not that knowledgeable in Tensura only a bit.... And no.. Rimuru has no feats of affecting NEP

I hear many fans claiming turn null is Nothingness manipulation so it should affect NEP type 2

 

[Dereck03]

I hear many fans claiming turn null is Nothingness manipulation so it should affect NEP type 2

This wiki haven't accepted turn null as being able to interact with NEP... It's up to tensura supporters to do that and create that crt

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This wiki haven't accepted turn null as being able to interact with NEP... It's up to tensura supporters to do that and create that crt

I see. I also asked some supporters they also don't think it's NEP type 2.

 

[Antvasima]

The OP asked me to close this thread.