Azure Striker vs Yellow Flash

[Smashtwig]

Also, I didn't want to edit in this part cuz u might miss it... how in tarnation is Minato going to seal an intangible being...? That's like trying to seal Obito while he's in the Kamui Dimension, actually has Minato ever sealed an I N T A N G I B L E guy?

Also, don't think about the time he did the contract seal on Obito, he clearly blitzed him due to the FTG Seal he placed on his back

 

[The_Smashor]

If the dude lies down then GV will just use the oppertunity to kill him. He can instantly dispel Shadow Clones with flashfield, and he's not gonna stand there waiting to die in a smokescreen.

 

[Razor]

He's never used it =/= He won't use it in dire situations. He hasn't used the paralysis jutsu but he's never fought a guy who can turn into electrons automatically either. Also its impossible for him to run out of chakra even if he did try to use every jutsu in his arsenal against Gunvolt, All he literally has is FTG, The rasengan and some other jutsus that even regular chuunins or jonins should be able to do. Also there's a likely way for minato to hit GV. Since prevasion is automatic what he could do is repeatedly attack the shit out of GV to repeatedly exhaust his EP before GV realises he's ran out of EP And then minato can just barrage him from there since regaining EP requires him to concentrate which he wouldn't be able to do with a kunai in his neck.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

That's like trying to seal Obito while he's in the Kamui Dimension, actually has Minato ever sealed an I N T A N G I B L E guy?

Isn't Kurama intangible?

 

[Smashtwig]

He's never used it =/= He won't use it in dire situations. He hasn't used the paralysis jutsu but he's never fought a guy who can turn into electrons automatically either. Also its impossible for him to run out of chakra even if he did try to use every jutsu in his arsenal against Gunvolt, All he literally has is FTG, The rasengan and some other jutsus that even regular chuunins or jonins should be able to do. Also there's a likely way for minato to hit GV. Since prevasion is automatic what he could do is repeatedly attack the shit out of GV to repeatedly exhaust his EP before GV realises he's ran out of EP And then minato can just barrage him from there since regaining EP requires him to concentrate which he wouldn't be able to do with a kunai in his neck.

That's unfortunately not how Prevasion works,

When it activates, he becomes intangible for several seconds, consecutive attacks do not work to trigger it multiple times. During this period, GV can recharge while Prevading

This is not game mechanics, this is proven to be the case in both the canon Drama CD, and the supporting media of the OVA. It's exactly how you see it in the video

 

[Smashtwig]

Isn't Kurama intangible?

Nope, very tangible sir. Yes, it kinda states it on his profile, but that's as the Kurama Avatar, the others... they really only show that to be the case when they're being extracted

In the case of Minato, the Nine Tails was tangible

 

[Razor]

Also, I didn't want to edit in this part cuz u might miss it... how in tarnation is Minato going to seal an intangible being...? That's like trying to seal Obito while he's in the Kamui Dimension, actually has Minato ever sealed an I N T A N G I B L E guy?

Also, don't think about the time he did the contract seal on Obito, he clearly blitzed him due to the FTG Seal he placed on his back

Would prevasion even automatically activate? Minato's not doing damage to GV

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

this is proven to be the case in both the canon Drama CD, and the supporting media of the OVA

Shame that the OVA only ever covered the first level

 

[Smashtwig]

Physical Contact counts, even when GV bumps into guys, it still activates, also, the Contract Seal doesn't really... do anything to GV, he's not a summoner

Again, if Gunvolt doesn't have any wincon and Minato does have a wincon, it's a stomp, it's pretty much Incon or that

 

[Razor]

ANY physical contact counts? Can you send a video for that? All I've read is that anything that does damage to him will activate it.

 

[The_Smashor]

Alternatively we have an Alucard vs DIO situation where Minato tries his only wincon, only to give Gunvolt the perfect chance to get his only wincon.

 

[Razor]

What's GV's wincon exactly?

 

[Smashtwig]

You guys have no idea how sad I am that Prevasion to this day is STILL being misunderstood

I was working with XMark all the time to come up with ways to get people to understand.

I MADE A COPY PASTA FOR IT

WE MADE 3 SEPERATE VIDEOS FOR IT

I REMADE ALL OF THE GV PROFILES FOR THIS PURPOSE

MY LITERAL SIGNATURE ON THIS SITE, IF YOU LOOK DOWN BELOW THIS MESSAGE EXPLAINS IT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Smashtwig]

What's GV's wincon exactly?

Haha. Haha

N O T H I N G

Incon or stomp with Speed Equal (but not actually) and Prevasion on lol

 

[Razor]

You guys have no idea how sad I am that Prevasion to this day is STILL being misunderstood

I was working with XMark all the time to come up with ways to get people to understand.

I MADE A COPY PASTA FOR IT

WE MADE 3 SEPERATE VIDEOS FOR IT

I REMADE ALL OF THE GV PROFILES FOR THIS PURPOSE

MY LITERAL SIGNATURE ON THIS SITE, IF YOU LOOK DOWN BELOW THIS MESSAGE EXPLAINS IT

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You didn't explain it well enough, but seriously, Any physical contact counts? Also I'll concede on that since I forgor GV can replenish his EP whilst being electrons

 

[Smashtwig]

It depends, but you can just run straight through enemies and zombies trying to grab you (which ALSO doesn't deal direct damage, i was trying to look through it for footage of that, but I test these things myself because I legit had to test the limits of Prevasion)

 

[The_Smashor]

What's GV's wincon exactly?

Minato tries to seal him, which forces him to lie down I believe. This leaves him venerable, allowing GV to get a killing blow.

Yes he has shadow clones and smoke screens, but GV is a pretty good on the fly strategist and also can deal with both pretty easily.

 

[Smashtwig]

Minato tries to seal him, which forces him to lie down I believe. This leaves him venerable, allowing GV to get a killing blow.

Yes he has shadow clones and smoke screens, but GV is a pretty good on the fly strategist and also can deal with both pretty easily.

Nah bro, Minato has a 20x Reaction Advantage despite Speed somehow being "Equal", he can react to it and dodge with FTG. However, the attempt is interrupted.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

If he hasn't exhausted all of his actually combat relevant techniques and runs out of Chakra that way, sure...?

Exactly

"Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen."

Chakra and Septima are VERY DIFFERENT. Chakra is Physical and Spiritual Energy combined of a person's body with a limit to how much said person can have before running out. Septima is NOTHING like that, it's a Psychic power, a cognitive, mental ability, with no limit to how much they have- only unable to use it when they are physically knocked out. They CANNOT be equalized because they are NOT similar in any capacity

But he does need chakra for some of Minato's jutsu to work, so the rule can apply. He can still have the properties of Septima like instant refilling but Minato's jutsu can affect him too.

Nope, not only does GV's lightning disperse Smokescreen like things, but even with his Bolt's he can still Flashfield to check if it, y'know... lands? Either way, Minato is interrupted. And since GV's lightning could disperse that crap, he can still follow. Also. Central Park is NOT a forest, FAR, FAR FROM A FOREST. There's not many places to hide, the trees are thin- he's not hiding anywhere

Ite I concede on smokescreen being the be all end all, but it can at least buy a small amount of time, which is really all Minato needs.

This is a pic of Central Park.

Minato Spams it, I assume GV isn't stupid enough to not know how it works after observing

He honestly hasn't spammed it THAT much on screen. We know he did use it a bunch, but we don't know how exactly he spammed it. When he did it on screen, he usually did it like a few times in a row at best.

Even if this did work, Gunvolt just... doesn't have Chakra, Septima cannot be equalized into it.

And it's also something he just never uses.

Presumably.

Pretty sure the RDS thing is done, the soul of the user must be sealed/destroyed, using Shadow Clones or not.

I mean, u might be right, but we've never actually seen someone try. So it is at least a slight possibility. Another possible wincon for Minato.

I definitely agree, I'm just saying he's not stupid and he can still actually strategize to some degree

But Minato can outstrategize him and make him think he's caught on to him when really he's the one who caught onto him. You've seen Minato vs Obito. You know the kind of super smart plans he can make in the midst of battle. With sufficient thought, he'd definitely be able to find a way after seeing GV's abilities to trick him and let him buy time to prep the seal.

FTG has marks, GV just has to get one. Either way, I have to concede on this point, I was only making a hypothetical

He has to get the right one but ok

Unfortunately not like that


Also, you understand if GV has no wincon, this can be considered a stomp right? If GV can't even hit minato, but Minato can apparently just seal the man, yeah, probably a stomp. You said GV had wincons before when Speed is Equalized, what are they? Because he can't hit Minato, so anything involving attacking doesn't work and shouldn't count as one. However, Minato can't hit GV either via Prevasion. It's basically either Incon or Stomp in Minato's favor

I didn't say he has NO wincons. His wincons are just extremely unlikely and more difficult to pull off. I argued against the wincons others mentioned, but I don't think they're an impossibility. Just close to impossible.

It depends, but you can just run straight through enemies and zombies trying to grab you (which ALSO doesn't deal direct damage, i was trying to look through it for footage of that, but I test these things myself because I legit had to test the limits of Prevasion)

How is this game even, like, fun if you have permanent intangibility?

Minato tries to seal him, which forces him to lie down I believe. This leaves him venerable, allowing GV to get a killing blow.

Yes he has shadow clones and smoke screens, but GV is a pretty good on the fly strategist and also can deal with both pretty easily.

He could alternatively use it on an object, as the description says. He could, say, place a scroll on the altar and seal him in that so he's not left in as vulnerable a position.

 

[Razor]

Minato tries to seal him, which forces him to lie down I believe. This leaves him venerable, allowing GV to get a killing blow.

Yes he has shadow clones and smoke screens, but GV is a pretty good on the fly strategist and also can deal with both pretty easily.

A killing blow? The ap gap isn't even 2x and with SM minato most likely has the AP Gap, He can't one shot minato

 

[The_Smashor]

Nah bro, Minato has a 20x Reaction Advantage despite Speed somehow being "Equal", he can react to it and dodge with FTG. However, the attempt is interrupted.

From our Versus Thread Rules

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.

So yeah, since GV only even possibly loses thanks to Minato having superior reactions in equal speed, while GV's reactions are superior normally, this won't work.

 

[Razor]

It isn't even a major reason, It'll just help him not get hit with GV's attacks which is very unlikely even if their reactions are equal

 

[The_Smashor]

It isn't even a major reason, It'll just help him not get hit with GV's attacks which is very unlikely even if their reactions are equal

And if it wasn't for that, GV would eventually wear him down and he'd never be able to get the seal off.

 

[Smashtwig]

But he does need chakra for some of Minato's jutsu to work, so the rule can apply. He can still have the properties of Septima like instant refilling but Minato's jutsu can affect him too.

N-no... that's not how it works. If he NEEDS Chakra just so Minato's thing can work, than too bad for Minato because he don't got it. That's the same thing as "yo look man, my spear can only kill you if you have the same power system as I do. So like... can you please have the same power system so my spear can work?"

Ite I concede on smokescreen being the be all end all, but it can at least buy a small amount of time, which is really all Minato needs.

This is a pic of Central Park.

Right, it's still not that dense of a forest, then again its subjective

He honestly hasn't spammed it THAT much on screen. We know he did use it a bunch, but we don't know how exactly he spammed it. When he did it on screen, he usually did it like a few times in a row at best.

Presumably.

I mean, u might be right, but we've never actually seen someone try. So it is at least a slight possibility. Another possible wincon for Minato.

But Minato can outstrategize him and make him think he's caught on to him when really he's the one who caught onto him. You've seen Minato vs Obito. You know the kind of super smart plans he can make in the midst of battle. With sufficient thought, he'd definitely be able to find a way after seeing GV's abilities to trick him and let him buy time to prep the seal.

He has to get the right one but ok

I didn't say he has NO wincons. His wincons are just extremely unlikely and more difficult to pull off. I argued against the wincons others mentioned, but I don't think they're an impossibility. Just close to impossible.

What in tarnation even are his wincons- the only way he can possibly win is to hit Minato.... He's not bloody hitting Minato. That's not a wincon.

How is this game even, like, fun if you have permanent intangibility?

Once you get good, it doesn't, you gotta turn it off lmao

He could alternatively use it on an object, as the description says. He could, say, place a scroll on the altar and seal him in that so he's not left in as vulnerable a position.

Still leaves the altar itself vulnerable

 

[Razor]

And if it wasn't for that, GV would eventually wear him down and he'd never be able to get the seal off.

The amount of hits it'll take for minato to die is less than the amount of times minato will attempt the seal? No. And what do you mean he'd never be able to get the seal off? The sealing is really quick. Minato pulling the seal off is likelier than GV being able to attack him, Since his prevasion lasts for several seconds and these two would be fighting at Rel speeds that would be enough time for minato to place him down and seal him

 

[Smashtwig]

these two would be fighting at Rel speeds that would be enough time for minato to place him down and seal him

haha... ah Minato having Speed Advantage in Speed Equal.... Pain

 

[The_Smashor]

If GV needs to have Chackra for it to work, then we need to figure out if Chackra and Septima can be equalized. Can someone who knows Naruto stuff explain Chackra to me?

 

[Razor]

It wouldn't be a stomp if GV has no wincons, he doesn't need to have any. If minato's wincon isn't guaranteed to happen everytime then it wouldn't even be a decisive win for him. The incon scenario is still there in which either one wins, its not like minato wins everytime

 

[Razor]

If GV needs to have Chackra for it to work, then we need to figure out if Chackra and Septima can be equalized. Can someone who knows Naruto stuff explain Chackra to me?

From what I can understand Septima is a mental thing and chakra is not so they can't be equalized. I don't remember when its stated the seal needs chakra to work though, it explicitly states that it can be used at objects too which don't have chakra

 

[The_Smashor]

While Septima is psychic, it's also the highest version of Lifewave, which is basically The Force from Star Wars.

 

[Smashtwig]

No, the seal works on Giant / Evil Spirits, it's just that it can be used to seal things INTO inanimate objects

It's very debatable if it'll even work on GV

 

[Razor]

Well idk what the force from star wars is either so I can't understand that comparison

 

[Razor]

No, the seal works on Giant / Evil Spirits, it's just that it can be used to seal things INTO inanimate objects

It's very debatable if it'll even work on GV

Never has it been stated that it ONLY works on giant / evil spirits. It only states that its typically used for those enemies, not that it cant be used to others.

 

[The_Smashor]

Well idk what the force from star wars is either so I can't understand that comparison

Basically it's an invisible force of nature connecting all living beings in the world, though all the powers it gives are explicitly psychic in nature.

 

[Razor]

Basically it's an invisible force of nature connecting all living beings in the world, though all the powers it gives are explicitly psychic in nature.

Yeah chakra doesn't behave like that

 

[Xmark12]

I'd actually argue this can also be a stomp in GV's favor.

Dulluhan is a variant of the bullets Gunvolt uses. "Does not tag, but deals significant damage in return." It's essentially Megaman's charged Buster shots, but without the need to charge them... and it's automatic fire.

Remember, unlike Obito, Gunvolt can attack and be intangible at the same time, the only exception to this is using Flashfield, which disables Prevasion for its duration. However, since Dulluhan bolts already deal significant damage... GV won't even have to use Flashfield. The battle will devolve into simply continuing to rapid fire never-ending bullets (yes, he pretty much has infinite ammo from what we've seen and doesn't need to reload) while Minato struggles to attack him... and he can't do anything because Prevasion. There has also been literally 0 precedence for sealing intangible beings, as Minato needed Obito to be tangible to apply his seals on him, and since GV will never be tangible once he decides using Dulluhan bullets is the way to go... this can honestly be a stomp in GV's favor.

I'd also argue that it's likely that GV will also resort to this faster than Minato can pull off anything like sealing (which would be a last resort), because it's stated and shown that GV can quickly deduce what he needs to do in a battle, cycling through ideas. Even if he gets hit (he won't get one-shotted because of the AP/Dura advantage GV has), GV will heal back to full health, realize that using Flashfield is dangerous and he should have Prevasion on at all times against this person who can blitz him, switch to Dulluhan bullets... and the battle is pretty much over.

Like what was said before, Chakra is connected to stamina, and if Minato uses his stuff, he'll get tired eventually since he can't recover his energy resource like GV, who can recharge while intangible, basically making him invincible. Combined with being able to attack Minato while intangible... yeah I can argue that this is also a stomp in GV's favor.

 

[Razor]

I thought his energy shit isn't tied with his stamina? That doesn't mean anything and minato won't spam jutsus mindlessly and his stamina is insane as well so no one can definitively say who outlasts who. GV also wouldn't be tagging minato either, we established that earlier, FTG + Way superior reactions + Can amp with SM which is a massive all around stat amp and can amp his speed via shunshin.

 

[Smashtwig]

I thought his energy shit isn't tied with his stamina?

That’s correct yes, it’s based on willpower and mental stuff

 

[Xmark12]

I thought his energy shit isn't tied with his stamina? That doesn't mean anything and minato won't spam jutsus mindlessly and his stamina is insane as well so no one can definitively say who outlasts who. GV also wouldn't be tagging minato either, we established that earlier, FTG + Way superior reactions + Can amp with SM which is a massive all around stat amp and can amp his speed via shunshin.

But likewise Minato wouldn't be able to hit GV... ever, since GV will never leave Prevasion once he realizes he gets blitz'd here (and he would survive the blitz via higher Dura and just full heal afterwards with no way for Minato to stop it because... passive intangibility).

I wanna just hammer this home, unlike Obito, GV can still attack while intangible.

 

[Razor]

But likewise Minato wouldn't be able to hit GV... ever, since GV will never leave Prevasion once he realizes he gets blitz'd here (and he would survive the blitz via higher Dura and just full heal afterwards with no way for Minato to stop it because... passive intangibility).

I wanna just hammer this home, unlike Obito, GV can still attack while intangible.

And what happens next? That still doesn't mean GV can hit minato in a thousand years. I did read that part and it still doesn't matter, Minato No negged obito right after he held down the nine tails for 9 hours (The feat that Gokusparkle showed above was right before he fought obito, and he had to deflect a bijuu dama from the kyuubi too) So that doesn't matter.