Ben 10 vs Diavolo

[Sonicflare9]

Diavolo

Born after a two-year-long pregnancy in an all-women's prison, Diavolo is a mysterious man, with nearly his entire life being unknown, just as he likes it. As a 19-year old, he excavated and discovered of the Stand Arrows, being responsible for the proliferation of Stand Users in the world...

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Ben Tennyson (Original)

Once an ordinary 10-year-old, Benjamin Kirby "Ben" Tennyson discovered a strange-looking "watch" after it crashed in front of him during a vacation with his grandpa and cousin. The Omnitrix allowed him to transform into 10 different aliens, which he used to become the superhero known as Ben 10...

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ultimate alien ben high 8-C aliens only vs diavolo

speed equalized

1 vote ben

1 vote dia

whooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo would win

 

[Cloozuma]

No.

 

[Baken384]

Following

 

[TauanVictor]

Diavolo erases the time and donuts Ben.

Voting Diavolo.

 

[Greenshifter]

Ben failregens or failsafes and donuts Diavolo.

Voting Ben.

jk this needs a little more discussion than that I presume

 

[Baken384]

I don't think the failsafe the ultimatrix has is good enough to save him from a devastating donut. If it was Omniverse Ben then that would be a diff story

 

[Greenshifter]

Ultimatrix restored him (and it had a free choice in the matter) after this when Azmuth got the Ultimatrix working again (too bad it didn’t restore my heart since I still feel sad every time I watch that). Also I got a comic scan which basically proves that the Ultimatrix had the same failsafe as his OV trix does. But due to canonicity I’ll just start with the first clip to prove my point.

 

[TauanVictor]

Ben failregens or failsafes and donuts Diavolo.

Diavolo sees this in the future with TE, erases the time it happens and donuts Ben.

 

[Greenshifter]

Diavolo sees this in the future with TE, erases the time it happens and donuts Ben.

Ben proceeds to regensafe and donuts Diavolo

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[Cloozuma]

Ben proceeds to regensafe and donuts Diavolo

You do know his TE is spammable

 

[Greenshifter]

You do know his TE is spammable

So is regensafe kek

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ifdiavolo skip time ben would just transform into some alien in the middle time and mostly likle tank the donut

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So is regensafe kek

and... no, just no, in that scene you show his body wasn't intact sinse the death just ocurried inside the ultimatrix?

 

[Greenshifter]

ifdiavolo skip time ben would just transform into some alien in the middle time and mostly likle tank the donut

Oh yeah I think Chariot and I debated this before.

 

[Greenshifter]

and... no, just no, in that scene you show his body wasn't intact sinse the death just ocurried inside the ultimatrix?

His body isn’t intact since a big fricking flame enveloped him and Gwen who was right there with him inside the Ultimatrix and who can sense life-energy, believed him to be dead.

 

[Chariot190]

To clarify, what extent does the failsafe kick in at, does it have to be lethal first?

 

[Greenshifter]

does it have to be lethal first?

Yes. Both the regen and UA comic/OV failsafe only activate after or during lethal attacks.

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[Sonicflare9]

bump

 

[JustANormalLemon]

His body isn’t intact since a big fricking flame enveloped him and Gwen who was right there with him inside the Ultimatrix and who can sense life-energy, believed him to be dead.

Well, I hate that, this make this battle a lot boring... Can't we just change to AF ben?

 

[Greenshifter]

AF Omnitrix should be capable of doing that as well.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

AF Omnitrix should be capable of doing that as well.

Kill m3... Let me guess, we can't restrict fail save?

 

[Greenshifter]

Kill m3... Let me guess, we can't restrict fail save?

bingo, or the match can't be added last I checked.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

bingo, or the match can't be added last I checked.

Well, **** me

 

[Chariot190]

Can't Diavolo just like, incap instead? He's gonna know that if he inflicts a heavy blow to Ben that'd he Regen because epitaph be a thing. Which has a pretty decent precog length.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Can't Diavolo just like, incap instead? He's gonna know that if he inflicts a heavy blow to Ben that'd he Regen because epitaph be a thing. Which has a pretty decent precog length.

Try incapacitating amongosaur, goop or big chill, expecially their ultimate forms

 

[Chariot190]

Try incapacitating amongosaur, goop or big chill, expecially their ultimate forms

I said Ben, any reason why he couldn't do it before he transforms? It ain't like Diavolo doesn't have precog, c&e and time skip that allows him to pull that off.

 

[Chariot190]

Also why are we assuming Ben picks those out of any of the other **** ton of options he has against what seems to be just some punk rock middle aged dude?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I said Ben, any reason why he couldn't do it before he transforms? It ain't like Diavolo doesn't have precog, c&e and time skip that allows him to pull that off.

if he time skip ben would just transform during It, and ben first move is transform, but I guess this depends more in distance

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Also why are we assuming Ben picks those out of any of the other **** ton of options he has against what seems to be just some punk rock middle aged dude?

fair, but I guess he would pick amongossaur sinse It's his second most used alien(the first being 4 arms) and he wouldn't choose to fight without transforming

 

[Chariot190]

if he time skip ben would just transform during It, and ben first move is transform, but I guess this depends more in distance

Not entirely, depends on the length of Time Skip.

fair, but I guess he would pick amongossaur sinse It's his second most used alien(the first being 4 arms) and he wouldn't choose to fight without transforming

Ok then he picks 4 arms?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Not entirely, depends on the length of Time Skip.



Ok then he picks 4 arms?

he can't in UAF, so humungosaur is the more likle (and 4 arms is just the more picked thanks to the calssic series, after that humungossaur took It's place if you just count from when ben had both of them)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

ben has master control?

 

[Chariot190]

he can't in UAF, so humungosaur is the more likle (and 4 arms is just the more picked thanks to the calssic series, after that humungossaur took It's place if you just count from when ben had both of them)

Yeah not buying it, especially without prior knowledge, you can't seriously tell me out of like the **** ton of options, he's gonna just so happen pick one of his best bets, against what seems to be some punk dude.

Why the hell doesn't Ben have a standard tactic section actually?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Yeah not buying it, especially without prior knowledge, you can't seriously tell me out of like the **** ton of options, he's gonna just so happen pick one of his best bets, against what seems to be some punk dude.

Why the hell doesn't Ben have a standard tactic section actually?

his standart tatics is turn into a alien, and in a combat like that humungossaur is his mostly likle pick, especially without prior knolage

 

[Chariot190]

his standard tactic is to turn into a alien

Yeah I got that dude, but when there's like, 100 aliens, what he picks in what situation, how often, in response to what, and more, is kinda a big deal.

And I'm not buying his first choice is his physically strongest one against what seems to be the least threatening opponent (Diavolo himself is literally just some 10-A punk dude), you've already backpedaled on his choice.
I want Green's input here, he's pretty reliable when it comes to this.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

100 alien

in ominiverse maybe, here he has like 12 and he in character would turn into a alien to fight weaker people, and he wouldn't underestimate someone he is willing to kill

 

[Chariot190]

in ominiverse maybe, here he has like 12 and he in character would turn into a alien to fight weaker people, and he wouldn't underestimate someone he is willing to kill

I was being hyperbolic, 12 isn't 1, that's a 8.3% chance with further context and corroboration. Not how that works, he's willing to kill, it's not his first go to thing dude, that isn't how SBA works, it just means that if a character otherwise wouldn't kill, like Batman, they would kill if they had to. Batman, for example, would still try his usual methods and try not to kill first, before moving on to trying to kill. They don't start out of the gate trying to murder the foe in cold blood.