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I think it is a surprisingly common name on some european countries, but yeah it is an insanely cool name
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PrinceofPein
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Missed it on his ability profiles which is okay, since he shaves them away from the world/existence.
Your example is false equivalency the question of someone can resist spatial.manipulation, would they resist spatial magic? And the answer is absolutely yes.
Langris uses spatial manipulation to shave things away from.existence, having spatial manipulation would resist that. It takes mental gymnastics to say spatial manipulation resistance won't stop spatial magic but you need to have EE resistance
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This isn't a false equivalence at all
Taking word for word what you said:
"One uses fire manipulation to burn souls, having fire manipulation resistance would resist that"
In any case we're talking about invulnerability right now so arguing about that is pointless
Taking word for word what you said:
"One uses fire manipulation to burn souls, having fire manipulation resistance would resist that"
In any case we're talking about invulnerability right now so arguing about that is pointless
PrinceofPein
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Again false equivalency.
And why would it be invulnerability? We have seen demon heart get damaged many times
Theendzero13
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I am currentely plannning a devil biology CRT for black clover and we can include everything involving the devil hearths in that, try gathering evidence for invulnerability so i can put there
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The only things high rank or supreme rank devil hearts have been damaged by was something demonic/related to the underworld, holy/saint stage, or arcane.
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Only by Arcane or Saint Stage attacks. No other attacks have damaged devil hearts.
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Thanks guys!!
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So in short by something powerful enough to damage it?
It would only pass for invulnerability if it was specifically stated that only arcane or saint stage attacks can damage a demon heart and nothing else.
It's like giving invulnerability to the highest tier of each verse because no one below them can damage them.
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You need arcane and saint stage to finish a supreme devil off, it's has been stated multiple times already
"So in short by something powerful enough to damage it?"
That's literally the opposite, even something that can obliterate a devil cannot destroy its heart if it's not saint stage
"So in short by something powerful enough to damage it?"
That's literally the opposite, even something that can obliterate a devil cannot destroy its heart if it's not saint stage
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PrinceofPein
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Oh I missed that, do you have a scan of where it was stated?
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Oh Arcane stage is just a stage of magic that is pretty powerful and special, I think that's what they mean by saint stage here too arcane magic are just a form.of hax e.g. Yami, secure, Vanessa e.t.c.
I thought it was in different context, in that context it pretty much generalizes things so you need special form.of magic to finish a devil heart. So I guess limited invulnerability should be fine and with the relevant note, and this is a bit contradicted as yami could not destroy a devil's heart twice with his own magic
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spoiler:
In the new chapter zenon casually regenerated from having half his head blow off so the regen is definatelly mid
Theendzero13
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Yes it should
By the way do you prefer resistence to space manipulation or invulnerability
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Invulnerability i mean yeah it explicitly stated you can't harm devil if you ain't no arcane or saint stage
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Thank you
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This also aply to their magic by the way, since zagred speel could only be affected by otherworld magic
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You clearly don't know you're talking resisting spatial manipulation doesn't inherently mean you can resist all types of spatial as well, in this case it's effect is extremely akin to an EE, hence his profile has existence erasure on it, like this is saying someone that resist fire manipulation can resist fire manipulation of someone that can burn even soul and concept, as well. Resisting that fire mean you resist it's effect as well which is soul and concept.
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Just make sure to upgrade zenon regen to mid because of the new chapter
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So what does the invulnerability apply to? Does it apply to physical attacks?
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i think i has to be seen , but it should aply to physical attacks as well
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Well the reason I ask is because we know that True magic, which is magic that creates physical matter, doesn't work on devil heart's either.
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that is the main reason for why physical attacks also get nulled, lolo also said that you need to be arcane to kill devils she would not have said that if you could rip their hearths with raw physical strenght, otherwise this would have been noted
The fact that asta needed raw anti magic(black divider) to cut zagred hearth instead of smashing it with his regular sword supports that
Also doubt zagred can damage devils hearths with his non magical attacks
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Doesn’t Devil Hearts having invulnerability kinda negate Black Divider scaling above Licht’s Ultimate Magic?
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Licht was using magic tainted by the underworld who can affect devils, and is implied that ultimate magic can kill devils anywhay
There are other lore and thematic reasons for why BD whould scale about licht ultimate magic but those are more subjective
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You didn't answer his question
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In case you didn't understand what Zero said here's another explanation
Licht has used Forbidden Magic, just like Nero (who became arcane because of using too much Forbidden Magic).
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He was asking why litch ultimate magic did not affect zagred heart
And he did not answer that
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Ain't that self explanatory?, the hearth is still part of their body, as a matter of fact is the only important part of a devils body, so it being more durable than the restof the body is the case
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So it's not just invulnerability it is just that much durable?
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Licht was able to bypass the invulnerability because he had used forbidden magic and became effected by the underworld. Yet even still the heart remained intact. His ultimate magic just wasn’t strong enough to destroy it.
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No , it is both, higher durability do not protect you from durability negation attacks like langris magic and it is also stated that
without arcane magic or saint stage you cannot kill high ranking devils period, getting that point across is the whole point of the stage system
It is just that the hearth is the only important part of a devils hearth so it would logically be more resistent to attacks overall, on top of having invulnerability which by the way is not a hearth exclusive thing their magic in general has invulnerability as an example mereoleona can literally burn magic but it was innefective on zagred spells , on top of being stated multiple times that you need power from the underworld to affect said spells
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Edited my message to make sense, my bad
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