Zenon Additions

[Epsilon_R]

By becoming a devil, Zenon gained a Devil heart and some abilities with it:

Resistance to Existence Erasure (His Devil Heart was unaffected by Langris' magic) This should apply to the Devils that possess a Devil Heart

Regeneration (Low-Mid) (Regenerated from being gouged by Spatial Magic)

Immortality (Just like Zagred and Megicula, Zenon can survive as long as his heart is intact)

 

[Dragoonseraphim]

Yeah I agree, this all seems pretty straightforward to me.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

 

[Theendzero13]

Agreed

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This is at least low mid regeneration.

 

[Epsilon_R]

This is at least low mid regeneration.

Yeah, I couldn't make a choice between Low-Mid and Mid so I'll let you guys choose

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

He didn't get decapitated so this is low mid.

 

[Theendzero13]

The regen seens pretty low-mid for me

 

[CloverDragon03]

Everything looks good. Low-Mid regen seems fine

 

[TheForgottenKing]

Everything looks good to me

 

[LordGriffin1000]

This looks ok, agree with Low Mid Regeneration.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Low-Mid it is

 

[Theendzero13]

Low-Mid it is

Shouldn't the demon hearths have invulnerability instead of resistence to existence erasure and higher durability?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Shouldn't the demon hearths have invulnerability instead of resistence to existence erasure and higher durability?

I'm not sure about invulnerability, but even Arcane Stage spells can leave the Devil's heart unscathed while obliterating their body, so higher durability should stay

 

[CloverDragon03]

The Invulnerability page describes that it often requires Durability Negation to get through, but even Durability Negation doesn't work here. However, Invulnerability does make sense everywhere else.

 

[Epsilon_R]

If we go with it, we should list the ways to go around invulnerability, so that we don't fall into NFL

Example: Saint Stage mages can destroy the Devil Heart by purifying evil

 

[PrinceofPein]

Resistance to Existence Erasure (His Devil Heart was unaffected by Langris' magic) This should apply to the Devils that possess a

This is resistance to spatial manip not EE

 

[Epsilon_R]

Zenon emphasis on the fact that it erases everything rather than it being spatial Manip

 

[PrinceofPein]

Zenon emphasis on the fact that it erases everything rather than it being spatial Manip

It erases things by cutting them off spatially
It is literally.like sending parts of something into another dimensions of course it would look like it erases things but it is not EE, but spatial manip that's a fact

 

[CloverDragon03]

You can't get any clearer than "erases everything." This is Existence Erasure, that's basically irrefutable.

 

[PrinceofPein]

You can't get any clearer than "erases everything." This is Existence Erasure, that's basically irrefutable.

You can actually it is spatial magic and it's work.is to use spatial magic to delete things, it looks like erasure from demon pov. But you can't deny it is spatial magic and resistance to spatial manip would resist it's effects which is what is happening.
Literally what langris magic was stated to do is teleport things away from.the world, his inability to teleport the heart would be resistance to spatial manip not EE

 

[PrinceofPein]

Literally what the house of vaude do is use spatial magic offensively what they do is shave away things by manipulating space

https://official-ongoing-2.gamindustri.us/manga/Black-Clover/0070-011.png

Their inability to use their spatial magic to shave away zenon heart is not resistance to EE but resistance to spatial manip

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

So existence erasure through spatial manipulation, ok I see.

 

[PrinceofPein]

So existence erasure through spatial manipulation, ok I see.

Basically something like this, to resist it would be resistance to spatial manip not resistance to EE, as the method is manipulating space to shave/send/delete something away

 

[CloverDragon03]

Langris' magic teleports things out of existence. That is textbook Existence Erasure

 

[PrinceofPein]

Langris' magic teleports things out of existence. That is textbook Existence Erasure

And simple resistance to spatial manip would resist it

 

[Theendzero13]

Yeah i agree it is clearly existence erasure, other chacacters have existence erasure by erasing space as well so it is not unprecedential

 

[PrinceofPein]

Yeah i agree it is clearly existence erasure, other chacacters have resitence erasure by erasing space as well so it is not unprecedential

Show me another character who does

 

[Theendzero13]

Show me another character who does

Hmmmm now that you mention it i don't think there is any that i can find,but since everyone already agrees that langris existences erasure and his power is described as such many times does not really matter

Nevermind: dragon found one

 

[CloverDragon03]

This guy I believe

 

[Theendzero13]

This guy I believe

Indeed he creates a dimension and this dimension erasures things out of exixtence

 

[PrinceofPein]

This guy I believe

Indeed he creates a dimension and this dimension erasures things out of exixtence

Okay so who has resistance to EE based on him.trying to send them go another dimesnsion but he failed.to do that?
Would that grant resistance to BFR or resistance to EE?
There are 2 very different thing
But well I did not want to say talk but Millenniumon EE is not from.him spatially sending people way but from.different reasons so let's get that straight too

 

[Theendzero13]

You know i am starting to think pain make sense

 

[Epsilon_R]

Langris can erases things out of existence, space included, and this is actually the reason why he has spatial manipulation in the first place. So saying Zenon only resist Spatial erasure when Langris' magic is not only that doesn't really make sense

 

[Epsilon_R]

But I'm starting to lean towards invulnerability anyway

 

[Theendzero13]

But I'm starting to lean towards invulnerability anyway

It being immune to attacks make more sense than arbitrarely having spatial resistence irc
(Spacial resistence would not work anywhay since yami can cut devils hearts with dimension slash)

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

This is totally off topic and I don’t like revealing personal information online but my name in real life is Zenon lol! I guess I’m getting resistance to existence erasure, regeneration, and immortality lmao!

 

[PrinceofPein]

Langris can erases things out of existence,

With spatial manipulation, he sends them away from existence

space included, and this is actually the reason why he has spatial manipulation in the first place.

And no the reason he has spatial manipulation is because of his ability to use spatial magic

So saying Zenon only resist Spatial erasure when Langris' magic is not only that doesn't really make sense

No he does not resist spatial erasure, he resists spatial manipulation.

I don't see Exostwnce erasure on langris page or a single instance of him.using existence erasure
You are somehow using the pov of people from the result of his spatial magic to say he has EE.

 

[Epsilon_R]

With spatial manipulation, he sends them away from existence

I don't even know where you got that from. It was never stated he send things out of existence.

No he does not resist spatial erasure, he resists spatial manipulation.

That's like saying if you resist something meant to burn your soul, you only resist fire manip. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't see Exostwnce erasure on langris page or a single instance of him.using existence erasure

Please... It's literall one of the first abilities listed on his profile

You are somehow using the pov of people from the result of his spatial magic to say he has EE.

Isn't that what you're doing tho? Because I certainly don't remember Langris' stating his magic just sends things away

 

[Nierre]

This is totally off topic and I don’t like revealing personal information online but my name in real life is Zenon lol! I guess I’m getting resistance to existence erasure, regeneration, and immortality lmao!

Yoooo!!! That's a sick name