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Santōryū vs Niten Ichi-ryū

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Regidian said:
By ex she want to cut yagyuu right arm she see the infinity possibility but in these infinity one, yagyuu with suigetsu always counter here because he always a step ahead her. Which mean she can't use it. Because it doesn't exist a possibility where she can actually cut his arm
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And Zoro with Kenbunshoku would be a step ahead. Because he'd foresee her taking the means in which her "best possible outcome" is made, which leads to it not happening. How is this so hard to understand-
 
SnookB said:
And Zoro with Kenbunshoku would be a step ahead. Because he'd foresee her taking the means in which her "best possible outcome" is made, which leads to it not happening. How is this so hard to understand-
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BECAUSE HE HAS NOT FEATS OF COUNTERING FATE MANIP. HE is seeing the future musashi sets so he cannot counter it since him countering does not exisit as a possibility. You are giving him fate manip with that logic.
 
Regidian said:
Except the whole musashi ability is it doesn't exist other futur. You are locked into the only one she chose as other are erased
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Which is still wrong because there was a future where MHX didn't lose her hand and it happened, and there is a future wehre Yagyu accounting for her next move ended in her failing anyway, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS SET IN STONE AS YOU MAKE IT SOUND.
 
Excaliburhuman said:
BECAUSE HE HAS NOT FEATS OF COUNTERING FATE MANIP. HE is seeing the future musashi sets so he cannot counter it since him countering does not exisit as a possibility. You are giving him fate manip with that logic.
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It's not fate manip countering?? Yagyu isn't countering fate manip, he's just countering the actions that lead her into the outcome she deems best; Zoro would do the same, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ZERO MUSASHI.
 
SnookB said:
And Zoro with Kenbunshoku would be a step ahead. Because he'd foresee her taking the means in which her "best possible outcome" is made, which leads to it not happening. How is this so hard to understand-
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He would not be, if he see the definitive outcome it mean he will see what she have chose and so he see a thing that can't be changed not hard, how it will not happen by just seeing this bruh. + with her own preco she already see that he can do that. Actually her eyes can make her chose a possibility where he like don't even use kenbunshoku.
 
SnookB said:
Which is still wrong because there was a future where MHX didn't lose her hand and it happened, and there is a future wehre Yagyu accounting for her next move ended in her failing anyway, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS SET IN STONE AS YOU MAKE IT SOUND.
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why on God's green earth would Musashi cut off a limb in a friendly match?
 
LordGinSama said:
Just translated her raw stuff, and it's a little different from the official English release (typical.) but it still does make mention of her being able to narrow infinite futures into one.




The eye of heaven is said to be "the power to fulfill the purpose."
If you decide that you can accomplish one thing, you must devote your whole body and soul to achieving it.It may be said that the whole existence of the self is placed on the line of sight and projected to the purpose.
In the case of Musashi, the eyes of heaven are only aimed at 'cutting the place.'
For example, he decided to "cut off the opponent's right arm", but finally, he cut off his right arm by taking all means.
It is slashing as the optimal solution、
"There is no waste, a sword that screws down time and space"
be.
The power to "narrow down to one" the "means for achieving the purpose".
It can be said that it is a very special magic eye that limits the future that should be infinite to "only one" result.
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She can only erase existing ones... Zoro will see the only outcome and it will create a new outcome that she can't do anything with unless she has
  • Kengou Battou: Ishana-Daitenshou: Following her fight with Saber Emperio, she fully mastered her technique. She is now no longer limited to choosing existing possibilities. She can now create new ones entirely, and find an answer that lies outside the bounds of possibility. With this, she was able to counter Yagyu's ability to account and find a counter for every possibility in a given scenario, despite her having technically no possible way to win. It is the ability to "slash through the unbreakable heavens themselves." Her blade has become one that shaves down all of existence to a single possibility. This is the true form of Zero, a technique designed to create an inescapable end, even against the gods or The Buddha.
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SnookB said:
It's not fate manip countering?? Yagyu isn't countering fate manip, he's just countering the actions that lead her into the outcome she deems best; Zoro would do the same, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ZERO MUSASHI.
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He is not using fate manip he is just more skilled to the point that she had no way of beating him. Zoro is not that skilled.
 
Ridiculous, we are almost reaching 11 pages, and there's still no conclusion for this match. Honestly speaking, i might go for Incon.
 
SnookB said:
Which is still wrong because there was a future where MHX didn't lose her hand and it happened, and there is a future wehre Yagyu accounting for her next move ended in her failing anyway, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS SET IN STONE AS YOU MAKE IT SOUND.
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Except not the other guy already tell you that was no her that was telling the thing about the arm but MHX herself. + already show that mhx have plot manipulation.

And not he doesn't have only a futur where accounting her next move because it's all futur she see that he account and so make her fail.

Do i really debate with a guy that can't even read correctly description i send?
 
Ya'll are hurtin' my head- ten pages and we're still talking about the same thing instead of admitting she isn't as haxy without Zero when there are antifeats proving it. Jesus-

The fact that the same three people arguing this can't understand that "creating a new outcome" is metaphorical on Zoro's part than literal astounds me-
If you foresee a certain event, then take action to change that event, then the future that you foresaw is automatically different because you changed the past of it actively. THAT is how Kenbunshoku counters it, not "Zoro literally creates a new space time". That's literally exactly how Yagyu "creates a new possibility". He doesn't fate hax his way into a new universe he just literally outskills her because he's that much better and already knows what she'll do.
 
SnookB said:
Ya'll are hurtin' my head- ten pages and we're still talking about the same thing instead of admitting she isn't as haxy without Zero when there are antifeats proving it. Jesus-

The fact that the same three people arguing this can't understand that "creating a new outcome" is metaphorical on Zoro's part than literal astounds me-
If you foresee a certain event, then take action to change that event, then the future that you foresaw is automatically different because you changed the past of it actively. THAT is how Kenbunshoku counters it, not "Zoro literally creates a new space time". That's literally exactly how Yagyu "creates a new possibility". He doesn't fate hax his way into a new universe he just literally outskills her because he's that much better and already knows what she'll do.
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Because any action that Zoro's gonna do is gonna be of infinite possiblity.
 
SnookB said:
It's not fate manip countering?? Yagyu isn't countering fate manip, he's just countering the actions that lead her into the outcome she deems best; Zoro would do the same, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T ZERO MUSASHI.
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But this have nothing to do with zero musashi why you even talk about her for god sake?

Zoro can't so the same as he can't prevent her from choosing infinite possibilities, seriously what it's hard to understand
 
SnookB said:
Ya'll are hurtin' my head- ten pages and we're still talking about the same thing instead of admitting she isn't as haxy without Zero when there are antifeats proving it. Jesus-

The fact that the same three people arguing this can't understand that "creating a new outcome" is metaphorical on Zoro's part than literal astounds me-
If you foresee a certain event, then take action to change that event, then the future that you foresaw is automatically different because you changed the past of it actively. THAT is how Kenbunshoku counters it, not "Zoro literally creates a new space time". That's literally exactly how Yagyu "creates a new possibility". He doesn't fate hax his way into a new universe he just literally outskills her because he's that much better and already knows what she'll do.
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Except in this case is not because a magical thing that called fate hax.

If it does exist only one futur then everything you do will not change that one because it's the only on existing simple thing
 
Yeah, Zero Musashi is the one who can make entire new possibilities, as such one where she cut a tier 1 character's trunk in half
 
Regidian said:
But this have nothing to do with zero musashi why you even talk about her for god sake?

Zoro can't so the same as he can't prevent her from choosing infinite possibilities, seriously what it's hard to understand
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Because Zero Musashi can literally change fate to that degree, unlike pre-zero.
If someone can conter her with analytical prediction, then someone with definitive precognition shouldn't have an issue. That's the whole point.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Stop lying... You know damn well you guys are doing this so it doesn't reach a conclusion, they it's you guys that are repeatedly commenting.
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You repeat the same lie, change ability of guy of fate verse, invent ability to zoro, invent ability to preco etc i continue?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Stop lying... You know damn well you guys are doing this so it doesn't reach a conclusion, they it's you guys that are repeatedly commenting.
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because you guys keep saying NLF things, countering fate manip without resistance to fate manip or can they see infinite possibility.
 
SnookB said:
Because Zero Musashi can literally change fate to that degree, unlike pre-zero.
If someone can conter her with analytical prediction, then someone with definitive precognition shouldn't have an issue. That's the whole point.
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Once again, for the quintillionth time, Pre-Zero Musashi is not a key.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Yeah, Zero Musashi is the one who can make entire new possibilities, as such one where she cut a tier 1 character's trunk in half
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You just indirectly confirmed what I was saying. Thank you.
Zero Musashi can create new outcomes constantly, meaning she'll always add to that infinity by ONE until she lands on the one she desires. Pre-Zero Musashi only foresees the best path and has to actively take means to reach the outcome, and the chance of countering it is still ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. As proven by Yagyu.
 
SnookB said:
Because Zero Musashi can literally change fate to that degree, unlike pre-zero.
If someone can conter her with analytical prediction, then someone with definitive precognition shouldn't have an issue. That's the whole point.
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Musahsi zero have nothing to do with fate except that she can create a new. do you even know what is zero musashi?

Her eyes are not analytic prediction on more time and yagyuu is not precognition, seriously just read his description correctly pld
 
SnookB said:
You just indirectly confirmed what I was saying. Thank you.
Zero Musashi can create new outcomes constantly, meaning she'll always add to that infinity by ONE until she lands on the one she desires. Pre-Zero Musashi only foresees the best path and has to actively take means to reach the outcome, and the chance of countering it is still ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. As proven by Yagyu.
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That is false. Zero Musashi creates entire NEW POSSIBILITIES. Base only has existing possibilities to play with.
 
DaReaperMan said:
NLF DETECTED. NLF DETECTED.
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16. No Limits Fallacy (NLF)​

This is when someone states that because something has not demonstrated any limits (or only certain limits) then it has none (or only the ones demonstrated).

Literally what you guys are doing 🤷‍♂️
 
SnookB said:
You just indirectly confirmed what I was saying. Thank you.
Zero Musashi can create new outcomes constantly, meaning she'll always add to that infinity by ONE until she lands on the one she desires. Pre-Zero Musashi only foresees the best path and has to actively take means to reach the outcome, and the chance of countering it is still ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. As proven by Yagyu.
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Zero musashi create impossible futur.

Musashi doesn't foresee for god sack(like not even a mention of this in her description) she shave every possibility to only one which become a definite outcome that can't be changed because it's the only one existing.

Yagyu can counter it because he litteraly prevent her from using it every of the infinite possibilities simple as ****
 
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