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Isn't it the other way around and Shanks was the one who challenged Mihawk, who was already basically established as the strongest swordsman?
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One Piece Chapter 1028: Brachiosnakeus (Official Release)
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That just reads like a poorly done retcon of Whitebeard's position with respect to Kaido. When we literally have some of the most knowledgeable people in the verse (like Sengoku) call him "the strongest Man in the world" referring to him joining the fight
What in the semantics?
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Work out the timeline, Shanks is quite a bit younger than Mihawk
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"Strongest" doesn't necessarily mean AP unless mainly pointed to.
WB was never portrayed to have the highest battle power.
His devil fruit isn't even the strongest.
He has like 15 people around his level.
Nah
WB was never portrayed to have the highest battle power.
His devil fruit isn't even the strongest.
He has like 15 people around his level.
Nah
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Wow, even for me that's a bad argument. If he is the strongest swordsman, he is the strongest swordsman, it doesn't have to include someone specific.
Au contrare, if Shanks were to be an expection to that title, then it should be noted somehow.
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There's also the whole "strongest man" < "Strongest Creature" thing
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The only strongest statements I take as AP are
1. CP9 Doriki scaling and Rob Lucci's "strongest member of CP9"
2. Akainu's "Magu2 boasts the highest offensive power of all devil fruits"
3. Oden's "strongest swordsmanship"
4. Denjiro's "greatest swordsmanship among the scabbards"
5. Katakuri's strongest of BM pirates after BM
6. Mihawk's name and actuality
Whitebeard's isn't... strength
1. CP9 Doriki scaling and Rob Lucci's "strongest member of CP9"
2. Akainu's "Magu2 boasts the highest offensive power of all devil fruits"
3. Oden's "strongest swordsmanship"
4. Denjiro's "greatest swordsmanship among the scabbards"
5. Katakuri's strongest of BM pirates after BM
6. Mihawk's name and actuality
Whitebeard's isn't... strength
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Good question. I haven't really thought of Denjiro that much in the raid.
He might assist Hiyori against Orochi, seeing as he posed as his soldier for 20 years.
But other than that? Everybody's already occupied.
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CP0 makes more sense.
Big Mom is out of reach for an injured Denjiro.
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I think you are arbitrarily taking 3 and 6 as factual when they are actually rather vague statements. Why is Sengoku saying "the strongest Man in the world is about to go on a rampage" as Whitebeard rushes the marines any less factual?
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If he has properly recovered, he may be able to help. He managed to match Zoro after all, so I think that he is stronger than Jack and possibly comparable to Queen.
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perospero
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The Ace novel elaborated further on that (thanks to reliable sources aka statements from whitebeard's pirates). As we know, Shanks was never stated to be the strongest swordsman. However, there are good reasons why that is the case, first off, many pirates (including the shishibukai), marine soldiers (even the Admirals), even the whitebeard pirates knew about the several duels between Shanks and Mihawk, so that means there has to be a winner, right? (that's where Shanks got his reputation from), yet people still believe that Mihawk is the world strongest swordsman? If Mihawk were to lose to Shanks wouldn't literally everyone refer to Shanks as the world strongest swordsman instead of mihawk? you see that makes no sense if Shanks were the world strongest swordsman unless you can prove that Shanks is the "strongest swordsman" despite literally everyone from One piece say otherwise, even Hancock and Doffy (who hyped up him btw).
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He scales above the other scabbards who fought Jack, so via scaling he's superior to Jack.
Queen is a different debate though.
3 states this
6 states this
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Why does "strongest swordsman" refer to AP then?
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Because for swordsmanship in One Piece, especially the forms that Mihawk practice (strong and soft blade swordsmanship), the strength of a swordsman is in his AP.
Zoro trains his swordsmanship by lifting weights.
Kaku's swordsmanship revolves in swinging hard enough to make wind blades.
Mihawk's first serious portrayal was an air slash.
Mihawk doesn't have a "swordsman lifestyle" like WB and his pirate life. He goes around and cuts ships.
He's all AP.
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Nice reminder, and joke.
If Perospero get some crazy 6-B scaling, Katakuri scales, right?
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Perospero scaling would be cataclysmic on the scaling for any and everyone
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Straight up
Well there are ways to go around it, e.g. not scaling tobi roppo above G3 luffy
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Perospero's own presence in Wano is doing a little bit of trolling to the entirety of WCI
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Not that part
I mean the amount of people this affects.
This scales to the Tobiroppo regardless cause of Sanji cracking Oven's neck and bruising him with a single kick.
Any Charlotte Sibling scaling is... heavy.
Any AP feats scale to sweet commanders.
Any Dura feats scale to Oven.
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Suddenly High 7-A strawhat crew
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Chopper, Nami, Robin and Franky: nervously whistle.
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I foresee horrible kinds of scaling chains like:
Kaido ~ Nekomamushi ~ Perospero < Oven
Hoping this doesn't happen in the future.
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I pray not
No scabbards scale to Kaido durability wise. Most of them get one shot and we don't see them use Haki on their bodies most of the time, so scaling any feats they have with Busoshoku to their regular stats is... unwise
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I pray that nobody suggest it in the first place.
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Oh lord please don't tell me that Black Maria's getting downgraded, because I really want Robin to get a 6-C ability.
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Everybody's getting downgraded
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Darn.
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Excluding his Zoan form, wasn't Kaido taking the Scabbards out with unnamed attacks? It's been a while, but I recall them getting mostly off screened and Kinemon/Denjiro getting tapped out through unnamed attacks. They shouldn't even scale near Kaido's durability, just have (possibly) 6-B AP via Ryuou, or just flat out durability negation. Which is how they injured him (temporarily) in the first place.
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Everybody pre wano right?
Pretty sure there will be 6-C Robin off of scaling to Black Maria? Unless I’m missing something. Ik the 6-B calcs are going to have luffy, Yamato, king, and zoro scaling to
Them at the moment
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Zoro challenges Mihawk to a swordsman's duel despite the clear AP gap
Mihawk engages purely in terms of skill and proceeds to demonstrate the gaps in his technique
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