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Question about aleph numbers and 1-A.

GreatIskandar14045 said:
I really failed to understand this, are you saying that 1-B layers still fall into aleph-1 at most or are you saying that 1-B layers have aleph-1 as their subset?
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I am saying that spaces of 1-B size biject to Aleph 1 in terms of number of points.
 
Darksmash said:
I am saying that spaces of 1-B size biject to Aleph 1 in terms of number of points.
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If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that 1-B size, or actually any dimensional size constitutes aleph-1 number of elements (like points, length, width, etc) to form their respective dimensional spaces. But how does this only applicable below 1-A category, though?
 
GreatIskandar14045 said:
If I'm not mistaken, you're saying that 1-B size, or actually any dimensional size constitutes aleph-1 number of elements (like points, length, width, etc) to form their respective dimensional spaces. But how does this only applicable below 1-A category, though?
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I don't think we are on the same page

I am saying that higher dimensional spaces don't exceed Aleph 1 in terms of the number of points they have. Not length, breadth etc.
 
Darksmash said:
I am saying that higher dimensional spaces don't exceed Aleph 1 in terms of the number of points they have. Not length, breadth etc.
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Yes, that's what I'm saying, say 1D has aleph-1 number of points, 2D has length, 3D has breadth, and so on. It took me a while understand your point, my bad. Anyway, for clarification I never really said that P(P(N) is R^2 but rather, say that there are aleph-2 numbers of points (0D) then it'd be equated to 2D or R^2 under continuum hypothesis.
 
What the **** happened here

Unfortunately I'm too busy to answer
 
GreatIskandar14045 said:
Yes, that's what I'm saying, say 1D has aleph-1 number of points, 2D has length, 3D has breadth, and so on. It took me a while understand your point, my bad. Anyway, for clarification I never really said that P(P(N) is R^2 but rather, say that there are aleph-2 numbers of points (0D) then it'd be equated to 2D or R^2 under continuum hypothesis.
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Nah you didn't get it.
Let me simplify.
A 1D line has Aleph 1 number of points
A 2D plane also has Aleph 1 number of points
A 3D space also has Aleph 1 number of points
And so on. Each time you multiply with R and add another dimension it would be a higher layer of 1-B, yet all of them would have aleph 1 points
 
Darksmash said:
A 1D line has Aleph 1 number of points
A 2D plane also has Aleph 1 number of points
A 3D space also has Aleph 1 number of points
And so on. Each time you multiply with R and add another dimension it would be a higher layer of 1-B, yet all of them would have aleph 1 points
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Yes, that's true, my bad.

Although I don't see that has anything to do with what OP meant.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I'm genuinely wondering what's the story for this.
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There's a group of SCP fans on reddit who believes the Scarlet King godstomps every Tier 1 in this wiki, and that this wiki lowballs/anti-wanks/hates SCP.

You shouldn't trust any source that doesn't say that the SCP is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be. SCP also stomps Suggsverse, FYI.
 
Metalballrun said:
There's a group of SCP fans on reddit who believes the Scarlet King godstomps every Tier 1 in this wiki, and that this wiki lowballs/anti-wanks/hates SCP.

You shouldn't trust any source that doesn't say that the SCP is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be. SCP also stomps Suggsverse, FYI.
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scp is kinda suggsverse level of bullshit as far as i know.
 
Metalballrun said:
and that this wiki lowballs/anti-wanks/hates SCP.
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I mean that's true. For some reason the wiki uses a quote for SCP that should be 1-A+ but only equates it to low 1-A. Or stuff like Noosphere being 5D despite having heirarchies of beings whose sizes are measured in alephs. Plus if the Creator from Umineko can be tier 0 then SCP 3812 can also reach 0 by that logic
 
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Darksmash said:
I mean that's true. For some reason the wiki uses a quote for SCP that should be 1-A+ but only equates it to low 1-A. Or stuff like Noosphere being 5D despite having heirarchies of beings whose sizes are measured in alephs. Plus if the Creator from Umineko can be tier 0 then SCP 3812 can also reach 0 by that logic
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It would be interesting to see a CRT about this to happen.
 
Ultra_instinct_issei said:
scp is kinda suggsverse level of bullshit as far as i know.
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SCP at least has thought and logic put into it, and they use mathematical theories (even a bit loosely, but that's fiction).
Suggsverse is just a garbled stew of pure garbage, it's just "adjectives", "big numbers" and tiers.
 
I recall people actually talking about it here, and I think one of the counter-arguments was we can't consider them to be real alephs, or whatev. It was contradictory, which is why we don't use it, apparently.

I'm sure I could find the argument, but really ain't feeling it rn.
 
Just remind me, but was the aleph shit from SCP 5800? Idk shit about the aleph, I just wanna make sure.
 
Metalballrun said:
There's a group of SCP fans on reddit who believes the Scarlet King godstomps every Tier 1 in this wiki, and that this wiki lowballs/anti-wanks/hates SCP.

You shouldn't trust any source that doesn't say that the SCP is the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be. SCP also stomps Suggsverse, FYI.
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I have seen them. They will die on that hill, It's crazy
 
If someone does a CRT about that I'll be the one to do it (want to see SCP take the strongest tier H1A/0?)
Also to say that SCP is Suggsverse level is an extremely heavy and stupid insult, quite literally, most authors don't care about character's power and strength at all, not even the Creator/Author of Strongest SCP on this wiki (SCP-3812), if you don't believe check This out.
The only thing on the suggsverse level is the SCP's Fandumb in reddit, they're the ones who ruined the whole work just to bolster their stupid characters and headcanons (like sefiros, Qllipoth, Saint Alagdda,... just look them drove me crazy lol). They don't even know that the Creator of the characters they wank to Strongest SCP doesn't know or read about 3812, and just wants to annoy him all for the sole reason of "Feat or not"
 
Rabbit2002 said:
The only thing on the suggsverse level is the SCP's Fandumb in reddit, they're the ones who ruined the whole work just to bolster their stupid characters and headcanons (like sefiros, Qllipoth, Saint Alagdda,... just look them drove me crazy lol).
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There's also the cringe recent upsurge of chinese branch wank....
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I recall people actually talking about it here, and I think one of the counter-arguments was we can't consider them to be real alephs, or whatev. It was contradictory, which is why we don't use it, apparently.

I'm sure I could find the argument, but really ain't feeling it rn.
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Also, Even SCP's Aleph-0 has an overall value far beyond the entire tierning system and more, if you want to talk about the R/F difference
Even a "small" ordinal of Aleph-0 such as Omega-Church Kleen has been shown to treat all ordinal numbers that smaller as fiction/dream (it's not really true in irl, but this is fiction, after all) along with all of its properties in irl (the latter is insanely huge and completely unthinkable but only 2A, the former is what makes it Low-1C. If you're talking about sets of universes /multiverses)
And I also know exactly why SCP's Aleph numbers aren't being treated properly (Agnaa told me, plus had a little discussion with him though it wasn't very relevant to what I was talking about). Acidverse is they don't refer to Cosmology, 5800 because It's 5D (So stupid because weakest fodder Aleph number In SCP-5800 aka SCP-5712 literally bigger and consumed the Very Concept of Mathematics Axis/Spatial Dimension itself and Difference between higher and lower dimension in scp is uncountable infinite time and equal R/F difference. Also, There are infinite number of higher spatial dimensions/Infinite-dimensional)
 
Rabbit2002 said:
Acidverse is they don't refer to Cosmology, 5800 because It's 5D
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It says they can contain worlds though. Seemed like it was talking about Cosmology to me. Also wasn't the 5D thing explained by the author himself that they don't refer to physical dimensions?
 
Darksmash said:
It says they can contain worlds though. Seemed like it was talking about Cosmology to me. Also wasn't the 5D thing explained by the author himself that they don't refer to physical dimensions?
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You aren't wrong at all. They just ignore it at all, and used quote "uncountably dimensions etc" and considers them as "Uncountably infinite higher dimensions" , purely headcanon
 
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