Zeno EE resistance

[FluffyCreatureZ]

well the light beam isn't an outlier because it doesn't contradict his other erases
it would just be considered a different way of doing the same thing, kinda like how goku has like multiple kamehamehas or something I believe
anyways
also hakai is inferior yeah, but it still to some extent helps it be more believable that there is more than one way to erase people in dbs

Hakai is completely different to zeno's, don't compare them.
The light beam is an outlier because if we say it does erase, then it contradicts every other usage of it. But it erasing stuff is iffy, and it even touching zeno is iffier, plus it wasn't even the thing that bye bye'd the universe.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

I'm making this crt to clean up the aftermath of a certain other thread that got completely derailed and then closed early
let me make this clear, the point of the thread is EXCLUSIVELY EE reistance and nothing else
now, let me explain the justifications this
and for reference

don't forget to READ EVERY ARGUMENT BELOW BEFORE REPLYING
if you can't debunk them all then you haven't disproved me, so don't even think about it
1. Starting with the most obvious argument, Zeno claims that the world must disappear, and unless you're gonna downplay and be like planetary zeno, it's clear that zeno, as a part of the universe, would be getting hit by the erasing attack as well.
also during that scene we see that he is most certainly completely covered in the erasing attack
we know it erases on contact because of the time machine just barely escaping, likely the authors indiciating that if they touched it before getting out in time they would have been erased
2. we know for a fact that the white balls on his hand are the exact same energy that erases on contact, because in dragon ball the energy of the attacks charging still have the properties of those attacks, such as when Goku literally slides on kefla's kamehameha. In addition to that, the white balls directly expand from zeno's hands during the zamasu erasure
and also uhhh
common sense probabbly kicks in at some point maybe not here sometimes though
as for some counterarguments that may be relevant


Argument: "the energy doesn't come from the white balls because it actually shows the light appearing going from the edge of the screen to the inside of it, so it didn't expand from zeno's hands and therfore is different"
Rebuttal: he's just erasing multiple places simultaneously, we already know he can do that because he literally erases multiple tournament of power fighters as well as their universes selectively, but we know for a fact that in the zamasu scene, at least at the beginning, it was expanding from his hand and when it initially reaches zamasu he reacts, indicating that the erasure light had started to affect him when it was expanding

Argument: he can selectively erase things, so he chose not to erase himself during the zamasu scene
rebuttal: ok and? we know for a fact that he wasn't being selective in that scene because he was erasing the ENTIRE WORLD (universe)
it is illogical to say that just because he can he did, when it's already PROVEN that he didn't. The fact is, Zeno should count as part of the universe, and it is supported by the fact that he visibly is "erasing" himself

Argument: Sidra gave a dog hakai energy or something and he didn't die on contact so it's not erasing on contact!
rebuttal: dog has EE res don't care, also he didn't actually touch the hakai energy anyways since we see that the 2 times that he makes it appear from his hand they're both fakes

Argument: well other dragon ball characters charging their attacks should hurt themselves, but it doesn't so zeno hbas no ee resistance because he's not touching it!!
Rebuttal: first of all whoever has this argument probably didn't read any of the above points but whatever
again, goku grinding on kefla's beam with a kamehameha proves that he was touching his own kamehameha and not being hurt by it
EE and kamehameha are different since one kills on contact while the other requires you to actually release it to do damage with it, so just touching a kamehameha is not goku taking most of the energy of it head on unlike the person he shoots it with

I really hope that by the time I come back I don't see a senseless baseless argument in the replies that I've already debunked
and I'm gonna be pissed if this thread gets derailed into "saitama self sustenance" or some shit and then gets closed for being too long

Agree: 3
Disagree: 4
Neutral: 2

agree

 

[Tarang123]

If I were to give a little bit of an explanation as to the issue, we'll go to another character: DBZ Vegeta. With his Final Explosion attack, he basically becomes a living bomb, that creates a massive ki explosion with a 1 mile radius (from what I remember). However, we're not giving resistance to ki manipulation even though we know full well that he's getting affected by this ability of his. It's the same here, it'd be a double standard otherwise.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

If I were to give a little bit of an explanation as to the issue, we'll go to another character: DBZ Vegeta. With his Final Explosion attack, he basically becomes a living bomb, that creates a massive ki explosion with a 1 mile radius (from what I remember). However, we're not giving resistance to ki manipulation even though we know full well that he's getting affected by this ability of his. It's the same here, it'd be a double standard otherwise.

I'm pretty sure vegeta's technique converts all his life force and ki into a big attack, which is why vegeta turned into ashes instead of getting vaporized so his attack probably never touched hi,. Also this has nothing to do with zeno.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Hakai is completely different to zeno's, don't compare them.
The light beam is an outlier because if we say it does erase, then it contradicts every other usage of it. But it erasing stuff is iffy, and it even touching zeno is iffier, plus it wasn't even the thing that bye bye'd the universe.

well the same white balls appear that expand in the zamasu scene as when the universe is erased, so it's the same energy for sure
also it doesn't contradict the other erases if it's considered a different technique, but is still based on erasure
as for author intention, since there being a tiny gap between the erasure and his hands is something that has never been suggested or implied in dbs, while zeno being superior to everything in dbs does suggest that a god of destruction can't erase him
still, zamasu being shocked the moment the expanding ball reached him is proof enough that the expanding ball itself erases things
and no, it wasn't the thing that seems to destroy the entire universe, but it doesn't have to be anyways for it to still erase things
as for him touching the balls, we can visibly see that he seems to be touching it, even touching the small ones every time he uses the attack so
I think according to burden of proof rules, you'd still have to prove that the gap between the erasure and his hand is there, otherwise zeno does have EE res

If I were to give a little bit of an explanation as to the issue, we'll go to another character: DBZ Vegeta. With his Final Explosion attack, he basically becomes a living bomb, that creates a massive ki explosion with a 1 mile radius (from what I remember). However, we're not giving resistance to ki manipulation even though we know full well that he's getting affected by this ability of his. It's the same here, it'd be a double standard otherwise.

well it's not resistance really since every time he uses it he gets absolutely ******
but even if he didn't get ******, it would only be a durability feat via tanking his own AP
or it's just converting life force or whatever, but I'm not completely sure

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

well the same white balls appear that expand in the zamasu scene as when the universe is erased, so it's the same energy for sure
also it doesn't contradict the other erases if it's considered a different technique, but is still based on erasure
as for author intention, since there being a tiny gap between the erasure and his hands is something that has never been suggested or implied in dbs, while zeno being superior to everything in dbs does suggest that a god of destruction can't erase him
still, zamasu being shocked the moment the expanding ball reached him is proof enough that the expanding ball itself erases things
and no, it wasn't the thing that seems to destroy the entire universe, but it doesn't have to be anyways for it to still erase things
as for him touching the balls, we can visibly see that he seems to be touching it, even touching the small ones every time he uses the attack so
I think according to burden of proof rules, you'd still have to prove that the gap between the erasure and his hand is there, otherwise zeno does have EE res

well it's not resistance really since every time he uses it he gets absolutely ******
but even if he didn't get ******, it would only be a durability feat via tanking his own AP
or it's just converting life force or whatever, but I'm not completely sure

No it's not the same, the universe flashes white from all directions and it's erased. It's not it's own technique it's the same technique, zeno raises his hands and it goes poof, same as in the TOP. IDK what you mean tiny gap between his hands at all. I'm pretty sure zamasu was shocked because he saw zeno try to attack him, and he should know who zeno is since he watched the entire u6 tournament, this is not concrete proof at all. So because his hand is glowing, he resists EE, bruh what?

 

[Tarang123]

well it's not resistance really since every time he uses it he gets absolutely ******

Sure it would, cause he's not getting disintegrated unlike everything else that it hits.

but even if he didn't get ******, it would only be a durability feat via tanking his own AP

How? Ki is still a hax by nature. It's not a durability feat alone.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No it's not the same, the universe flashes white from all directions and it's erased. It's not it's own technique it's the same technique, zeno raises his hands and it goes poof, same as in the TOP. IDK what you mean tiny gap between his hands at all. I'm pretty sure zamasu was shocked because he saw zeno try to attack him, and he should know who zeno is since he watched the entire u6 tournament, this is not concrete proof at all. So because his hand is glowing, he resists EE, bruh what?

1. yes the universe does do that when erased but that doesn't mean the omnidirectional attack doesn't erase, the fact that both involve the same glowing hands means it's still the same energy regardless
2. you yourself explained that it's a different technique by saying that it "completely contradicts" the other erase attacks
3. by tiny gap, I mean that if there is no gap then Zeno must be touching the existence erasing energy, which we still know is the same since that's the attack he uses to erase every time he erases
4. zamasu didn't seem to be shocked, also it was at that moment that was can see that it reaches him, so it's strange that zamasu didn't really care about zeno until the moment the light reached him unless it was affecting him
5. well....yes, because his hand is covered in a glow that erases what it touches

 

[Vizer04]

I agree from what i've read here.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Honestly Disagree with EE, with better context he would be resistance to it

 

[ZillertheBucko]

added for both

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

1. yes the universe does do that when erased but that doesn't mean the omnidirectional attack doesn't erase, the fact that both involve the same glowing hands means it's still the same energy regardless
2. you yourself explained that it's a different technique by saying that it "completely contradicts" the other erase attacks
3. by tiny gap, I mean that if there is no gap then Zeno must be touching the existence erasing energy, which we still know is the same since that's the attack he uses to erase every time he erases
4. zamasu didn't seem to be shocked, also it was at that moment that was can see that it reaches him, so it's strange that zamasu didn't really care about zeno until the moment the light reached him unless it was affecting him
5. well....yes, because his hand is covered in a glow that erases what it touches

It doesn't the whole proof for it is that zamasu started screaming when he saw it which doesn't mean it's erasing him, in fact the erasure never worked like that it always erases everything at once not gradually. I only said it's an outlier if we assume it erases things, which I don't believe it does. what gap, sorry I don't understand banana duck. He was sceaming his lungs out, he only started doing that when he realized zeno was attacking him, it does need to effect him for that to happen. No.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

it always erases everything at once not gradually.

well, actually it is likely erasing everything it touches at once, not gradually
it's just not touching everything at once, but that doesn't mean it's not instant
and still, it's the same energy anyways since that's what appears every time he uses the attack, which is more plausible than him creating a pointless glow in his hands to make erasing stuff look cooler tbh. I understand that it does function differently, and why it does seem like an outlier, but if we look deeper we can see that it's actually him using the same energy in just a different way

He was sceaming his lungs out, he only started doing that when he realized zeno was attacking him, it does need to effect him for that to happen. No.

well this kinda proves my point
he didn't care about zeno's arrivial, nor did he care about the light or its expansion, since he likely had never seen that attack before
he only starts to care the moment it touches him, so in a way the moment it erased him was the moment he realized he was being attacked
this is supported by the fact that he went completely insane and is pretty much the opposite of omniscient as infinite zamasu, which is something worth noting.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

well, actually it is likely erasing everything it touches at once, not gradually
it's just not touching everything at once, but that doesn't mean it's not instant
and still, it's the same energy anyways since that's what appears every time he uses the attack, which is more plausible than him creating a pointless glow in his hands to make erasing stuff look cooler tbh. I understand that it does function differently, and why it does seem like an outlier, but if we look deeper we can see that it's actually him using the same energy in just a different way

well this kinda proves my point
he didn't care about zeno's arrivial, nor did he care about the light or its expansion, since he likely had never seen that attack before
he only starts to care the moment it touches him, so in a way the moment it erased him was the moment he realized he was being attacked
this is supported by the fact that he went completely insane and is pretty much the opposite of omniscient as infinite zamasu, which is something worth noting.

No it doesn't if that light erases things then it doesn't erase everything, that is contradicted by you saying it's erasing zamasu. Every other time erase is used, all the targets are selected then poofed instantly all at once, not gradually expanding or deleted one part at a time, like a ctrl z.
It doesn't though, zamasu is mindless and only cares about destruction, but only started acknowledging zeno when he realized he was a threat about to ctrl Z him, he wouldn't care otherwise since he already knew he was about to take over the multiverse knowing zeno exist. So that doesn't necessarily mean he was getting erased.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

actually now that I think about it, that argument woulda been handy earlier
yeah, zamasu being too insane to realize he was being attacked until the attack actually touched him is plausible since it seemed like he didn't recognize the omni king despite being nigh omnipresent

well, actually it is likely erasing everything it touches at once, not gradually
it's just not touching everything at once, but that doesn't mean it's not instant
and still, it's the same energy anyways since that's what appears every time he uses the attack, which is more plausible than him creating a pointless glow in his hands to make erasing stuff look cooler tbh. I understand that it does function differently, and why it does seem like an outlier, but if we look deeper we can see that it's actually him using the same energy in just a different way

well this kinda proves my point
he didn't care about zeno's arrivial, nor did he care about the light or its expansion, since he likely had never seen that attack before
he only starts to care the moment it touches him, so in a way the moment it erased him was the moment he realized he was being attacked
this is supported by the fact that he went completely insane and is pretty much the opposite of omniscient as infinite zamasu, which is something worth noting.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

No it doesn't if that light erases things then it doesn't erase everything, that is contradicted by you saying it's erasing zamasu. Every other time erase is used, all the targets are selected then poofed instantly all at once, not gradually expanding or deleted one part at a time, like a ctrl z.
It doesn't though, zamasu is mindless and only cares about destruction, but only started acknowledging zeno when he realized he was a threat about to ctrl Z him, he wouldn't care otherwise since he already knew he was about to take over the multiverse knowing zeno exist. So that doesn't necessarily mean he was getting erased.

he doesn't react to the initial light or the majority of the expansion even though goku does, and zamasu should be nigh omnipresent
goku recognizes that zeno was about to use his EE and gets out before it expands to the time machine
zamasu only starts to recognize it the very moment it touches him
zamasu was clearly more clueless about zeno than goku, which is a good indication that he was only reacting to the attack itself hitting him
he reacted to being erased, not to the light appearing

 

[ZillertheBucko]

and for the record, infinite zamasu wasn't entirely the universe yet, he was still in the process of becoming it or something like that
so that further supports that it took time for the expanding energy to reach him

 

[RisingIons]

I agree from what i've read here.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I never noticed this but Jotaro's jacket is also a cape for some reason

 

[Tarang123]

lololololololol. We knew that was coming sooner or later.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

he doesn't react to the initial light or the majority of the expansion even though goku does, and zamasu should be nigh omnipresent
goku recognizes that zeno was about to use his EE and gets out before it expands to the time machine
zamasu only starts to recognize it the very moment it touches him
zamasu was clearly more clueless about zeno than goku, which is a good indication that he was only reacting to the attack itself hitting him
he reacted to being erased, not to the light appearing

So even though goku reacts to it and z's omnipresent, he doesn't react to it why? is it maybe because it's not erasing him in the first place? since the moment zeno started the attack and Goku reacted, zamasu should have also? He was afraid of zeno because he knew who he was and that he was attacking, most likely didn't mind him at first since he wasn't attacking and started screaming when he's about to bye bye, and the erasure is consistent with how it works in the top, everything disappears at once, the light doesn't gradually erase stuff which would be the outlier if the light actually erase stuff.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

So even though goku reacts to it and z's omnipresent, he doesn't react to it why? is it maybe because it's not erasing him in the first place? since the moment zeno started the attack and Goku reacted, zamasu should have also? He was afraid of zeno because he knew who he was and that he was attacking, most likely didn't mind him at first since he wasn't attacking and started screaming when he's about to bye bye, and the erasure is consistent with how it works in the top, everything disappears at once, the light doesn't gradually erase stuff which would be the outlier if the light actually erase stuff.

I explained this already
Zamasu went insane, so we can assume he had no idea what zeno was doing
and yes he can erase the universe the way he does in the tournament of power, but the point is that doesn't mean that the big expanding energy ball doesn't also erase what it touches
in fact, it could easily just be zeno charging his attack so he can completely erase the universe, but it wouldn't change anything since it's still the energy that erases on contact, and it still touched zamasu, who still didn't react to or acknowledge zeno whatsoever until the moment the light made contact with him

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

I explained this already
Zamasu went insane, so we can assume he had no idea what zeno was doing
and yes he can erase the universe the way he does in the tournament of power, but the point is that doesn't mean that the big expanding energy ball doesn't also erase what it touches
in fact, it could easily just be zeno charging his attack so he can completely erase the universe, but it wouldn't change anything since it's still the energy that erases on contact, and it still touched zamasu, who still didn't react to or acknowledge zeno whatsoever until the moment the light made contact with him

Well he clearly had an idea since he knows what zeno is and that he's about to attack. It doesn't mean so yes, but the light still doesn't erase. No it doesn't. it didn't touch zamasu, if it could erase then the moment zeno charged the attack it would've made contact with z's due to omnipresence, but he didn't react to it only after goku did who's clearly not omnipresent.
banana duck I'm really tired, I'm going to sleep okay? bye.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Well he clearly had an idea since he knows what zeno is and that he's about to attack. It doesn't mean so yes, but the light still doesn't erase. No it doesn't. it didn't touch zamasu, if it could erase then the moment zeno charged the attack it would've made contact with z's due to omnipresence, but he didn't react to it only after goku did who's clearly not omnipresent.
banana duck I'm really tired, I'm going to sleep okay? bye.

I think this argument would become more effective if you slept, so goodnight sir

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Bump
Also to reply to you…

Well he clearly had an idea since he knows what zeno is and that he's about to attack. It doesn't mean so yes, but the light still doesn't erase. No it doesn't. it didn't touch zamasu, if it could erase then the moment zeno charged the attack it would've made contact with z's due to omnipresence, but he didn't react to it only after goku did who's clearly not omnipresent.
banana duck I'm really tired, I'm going to sleep okay? bye.

What I’m trying to say is, the fact that he is nigh omnipresent and yet didn’t care about zeno’s light beam while goku did, shows that he was too insane to know that he was going to be erased, that is until the very moment he was being erased, which is the moment that the light touches him, which means it’s erasing on contact
Hope that clears things up now

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Bump
Also to reply to you…

What I’m trying to say is, the fact that he is nigh omnipresent and yet didn’t care about zeno’s light beam while goku did, shows that he was too insane to know that he was going to be erased, that is until the very moment he was being erased, which is the moment that the light touches him, which means it’s erasing on contact
Hope that clears things up now

But why didn't zamasu react to it when Goku did? Zeno already had the light being emitted and goku saw it and zamasu didn't react. also there were moments when zeno was moving around with the two energy balls in his hand but those lights weren't erasing anything 2:23.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

But why didn't zamasu react to it when Goku did? Zeno already had the light being emitted and goku saw it and zamasu didn't react. also there were moments when zeno was moving around with the two energy balls in his hand but those lights weren't erasing anything 2:23.

because zamasu went insane, he probably didn't realize that he was about to be attacked, it's on his profile too btw
and he also probably thought he was stronger than the omni king, but that's just headcanon
mainly it's because he went insane and simply didn't realize what was happening, while goku did know
it's kinda like a hulk bruce and banner situation, where yeah he did know about zeno, but when he transformed he kinda didn't
also the light balls in his hand weren't erasing anything because they weren't touching anything yet (except his hands) since they hadn't expanded yet
but when they did expand and reached zamasu, he reacted to them

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

because zamasu went insane, he probably didn't realize that he was about to be attacked, it's on his profile too btw
and he also probably thought he was stronger than the omni king, but that's just headcanon
mainly it's because he went insane and simply didn't realize what was happening, while goku did know
it's kinda like a hulk bruce and banner situation, where yeah he did know about zeno, but when he transformed he kinda didn't
also the light balls in his hand weren't erasing anything because they weren't touching anything yet (except his hands) since they hadn't expanded yet
but when they did expand and reached zamasu, he reacted to them

What is this inconsistency with you? The light from zeno erases, now it doesn't, now it only does when it expands and even when it does expand at 2:28 and zeno starts speaking zamasu doesn't react even though he's nigh omni present, then only when it expands a little more he starts freaking out, but only then it's starts to erase, whaat? That's too inconsistent with your own claims and it's portrayal later on, the reason why zamasu starts screaming can easily be explained because he realized that zeno was trying to erase him, and when the erasure actually happens, it happens like every other time it shown to happen, instant erasure not gradual expanding light.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

What is this inconsistency with you? The light from zeno erases, now it doesn't, now it only does when it expands and even when it does expand at 2:28 and zeno starts speaking zamasu doesn't react even though he's nigh omni present, then only when it expands a little more he starts freaking out, but only then it's starts to erase, whaat? That's too inconsistent with your own claims and it's portrayal later on, the reason why zamasu starts screaming can easily be explained because he realized that zeno was trying to erase him, and when the erasure actually happens, it happens like every other time it shown to happen, instant erasure not gradual expanding light.

calm down bro there's no inconsistency
the light erases what it touches, and if it's not touching anything then it's erasing nothing
when it expands it makes it bigger, so it can touch more things, but that's the only thing changing
and I have explained at least three times by now why zamasu reacted, and the fact that he reacted late is solid evidence of it having nothing to do with zeno himself or him having any idea of the fact that he was going to be erased


let me put this in a way so it can be better understood

zamasu doesn't react even though he's nigh omni present, then only when it expands a little more he starts freaking out, but only then it's starts to erase, whaat?

nigh omnipresent means he isn't omnipresent, which is why it took a while for the light to reach him so it would start to erase him. That is the answer to your question
are we on the same page now? Zeno does indeed have EE resistance since he is able to not be erased by the balls of light that erase whatever they touch

 

[Tarang123]

calm down bro there's no inconsistency
the light erases what it touches, and if it's not touching anything then it's erasing nothing
when it expands it makes it bigger, so it can touch more things, but that's the only thing changing
and I have explained at least three times by now why zamasu reacted, and the fact that he reacted late is solid evidence of it having nothing to do with zeno himself or him having any idea of the fact that he was going to be erased


let me put this in a way so it can be better understood

nigh omnipresent means he isn't omnipresent, which is why it took a while for the light to reach him so it would start to erase him. That is the answer to your question
are we on the same page now? Zeno does indeed have EE resistance since he is able to not be erased by the balls of light that erase whatever they touch

Zamasu being nigh-omnipresent is because he’s not encompassing all timelines at once

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Zamasu being nigh-omnipresent is because he’s not encompassing all timelines at once

sorry, but the page itself contradicts that
"Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time)"
he hadn't fully become one with the universe yet, and that is supported by the idea that everybody there would be breathing zamasu air particles and wearing zamasu shoes, which doesn't make sense since that would be pretty fatal

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

calm down bro there's no inconsistency
the light erases what it touches, and if it's not touching anything then it's erasing nothing
when it expands it makes it bigger, so it can touch more things, but that's the only thing changing
and I have explained at least three times by now why zamasu reacted, and the fact that he reacted late is solid evidence of it having nothing to do with zeno himself or him having any idea of the fact that he was going to be erased


let me put this in a way so it can be better understood

nigh omnipresent means he isn't omnipresent, which is why it took a while for the light to reach him so it would start to erase him. That is the answer to your question
are we on the same page now? Zeno does indeed have EE resistance since he is able to not be erased by the balls of light that erase whatever they touch

So you agree that zeno's light erases things it touches? Then why wasn't it erasing the air, space, time and zamasu himself who is all of those at the same time at 2:22 or 2:28? If it does erase everything then why didn't zamasu freak out the moment the light appeared? You're saying it didn't touch him yet but in the exact same scene you see the light appear and zamasu is chilling despite being nigh-omnipresent, what's up with that?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

sorry, but the page itself contradicts that
"Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time)"
he hadn't fully become one with the universe yet, and that is supported by the idea that everybody there would be breathing zamasu air particles and wearing zamasu shoes, which doesn't make sense since that would be pretty fatal

BTW nigh omnipresent here means he merged with the universe in it's past present and future, the entire time continuum. This is the range of his omnipresence: At least Universal+, likely Low Multiversal (His influence was starting to bleed over into other timelines).

 

[Bernkastelll]

I don't know why this thread still is open, Zeno clearly didnt wanted to erase himself, he can choose who and what he wants to destroy, so, he choosed to erase the universe, it's not like a ki blast encompassing the entire timeline, it's just Zeno choosing to erase it

 

[ZillertheBucko]

So you agree that zeno's light erases things it touches? Then why wasn't it erasing the air, space, time and zamasu himself who is all of those at the same time at 2:22 or 2:28? If it does erase everything then why didn't zamasu freak out the moment the light appeared?

ok I've already answered all these questions multiple times each but I'm willing to keep going ig

there is no reason to believe he wasn't erasing the air and space and time the light was touching, since anybody close enough to breathe that air or be in that part of space time would have been erased anyways so there is absolutely nothing resembling a contradiction there at all

as for why he didn't freak out the moment it appeared, I've literally answered this like 4 times but I'll rephrase it yet another time
the page lists multiple times that zamasu was "mindless" and "insane" so obviously his knowledge about zeno or his erasure is completely irrelevant here, as I've already explained, multiple times

You're saying it didn't touch him yet but in the exact same scene you see the light appear and zamasu is chilling despite being nigh-omnipresent, what's up with that?

what were you trying to say here?
if you're saying that him being night omnipresent means that attacking anywhere in the universe would have cause zamasu to be hurt because he would be the entire universe, then see below

BTW nigh omnipresent here means he merged with the universe in it's past present and future, the entire time continuum. This is the range of his omnipresence: At least Universal+, likely Low Multiversal (His influence was starting to bleed over into other timelines).

him being 4d doesn't actually mean he was the entirety of the universe, just that he was also in other universes
for example, if a character shoots a laser the size of a pencil, and it goes into 500 other timelines, then even though the laser isn't covering the entire universe it still had a 4d range and size and thus be nigh omnipresent
and yes this applies to the situation because zamasu is only nigh omnipresent, and he is VISIBLY not in every part of the universe, we just know that he was in the sky

I've answered all your questions, willing to change your vote yet?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I don't know why this thread still is open, Zeno clearly didnt wanted to erase himself, he can choose who and what he wants to destroy, so, he choosed to erase the universe, it's not like a ki blast encompassing the entire timeline, it's just Zeno choosing to erase it

feel free to read through the replies of the thread since I've already answered this particular point like 10 times by now
but to sum it up, we just know that he is visibly touching himself with the EE erasing energy, and if you're gonna say that he wasn't touching himself with it, burden of proof requires you to prove that
but please please just read through my other answers for a complete reply to this argument so I don't have to strech this thread out any longer
I've pretty much covered every point by now luckily, so as long as people read through the debate thus far then everybody should just be in agreeance

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

ok I've already answered all these questions multiple times each but I'm willing to keep going ig

there is no reason to believe he wasn't erasing the air and space and time the light was touching, since anybody close enough to breathe that air or be in that part of space time would have been erased anyways so there is absolutely nothing resembling a contradiction there at all

as for why he didn't freak out the moment it appeared, I've literally answered this like 4 times but I'll rephrase it yet another time
the page lists multiple times that zamasu was "mindless" and "insane" so obviously his knowledge about zeno or his erasure is completely irrelevant here, as I've already explained, multiple times

what were you trying to say here?
if you're saying that him being night omnipresent means that attacking anywhere in the universe would have cause zamasu to be hurt because he would be the entire universe, then see below

him being 4d doesn't actually mean he was the entirety of the universe, just that he was also in other universes
for example, if a character shoots a laser the size of a pencil, and it goes into 500 other timelines, then even though the laser isn't covering the entire universe it still had a 4d range and size and thus be nigh omnipresent
and yes this applies to the situation because zamasu is only nigh omnipresent, and he is VISIBLY not in every part of the universe, we just know that he was in the sky

I've answered all your questions, willing to change your vote yet?

You are literally using the argument that the light was erasing stuff because zamasu started freaking out by it, but at the same time saying that he doesn't care about zeno despite zeno still having the light appear. Your counter to this is that zamasu is not omni present but he literally is.
Yes exactly, attacking anywhere in the universe means attacking zamasu even in the past or future, he's only nigh omni present because he was only omnipresent in universe 7 and only started getting omnipresent in the other universes before zeno destroyed him.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You are literally using the argument that the light was erasing stuff because zamasu started freaking out by it, but at the same time saying that he doesn't care about zeno despite zeno still having the light appear. Your counter to this is that zamasu is not omni present but he literally is.
Yes exactly, attacking anywhere in the universe means attacking zamasu even in the past or future, he's only nigh omni present because he was only omnipresent in universe 7 and only started getting omnipresent in the other universes before zeno destroyed him.

he literally is not omni present bro
his profile literally says nigh omnipresence, and he is visibly not in every single cube inch of the universe
I don't want to be rude, but I'm not the biggest fan of blatant lies either
there is no such thing as being "omni present in just that universe" in this situation dude, nigh omnipresence means nothing more than just having a 4th dimension size, which can be accomplished without being the entirety of that particular 3d universe
he was existing across the entire timeline yes, but this is no different from a pebble existing from the very start of the universe to the end, it exists across the entire timeline but without being the entire universe, thus granting it a low level of nigh omnipresence
zamasu is VISIBLY not the entire universe, VISIBLY man

 

[ZillertheBucko]

(feel free to ignore the wording of that analogy, the point is that if it capable of reaching across an entire timeline without using its range then it's nigh omnipresent)

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

You cannot visibly depict omnipresence accurately. Zamasu became the entire universe and was invading other timelines, that is literally the only reason why he isn't fully omnipresent and precisely why he's labelled "eventually omnipresent", the only reason he has universe+ range is because he's omnipresent in universe 7, the exact definition of omnipresent is to literally be everywhere at the same time.