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The player does not exist within the game so acausilty type 1 probably is not a good ideaalso just another ability to add, acausality type 1, we're totally unaffected by frisk or flowey rewinding time and even whatever asriel does during his fight that would eventually overpower frisk's type 1 acausality has no effect on us
Don't think deleting the game should be considered canon, unless that ability has been acknowledged within the game itself
in a game like this, with just how strange it is, how 4th-wall breaky it is, how it seems to be partially centered around alternate timelines and how the game is clearly centered around all of your choices mattering and having consequences (so an ending you chose to get just not being canon is kinda balls), the stuff may as well be canon lolNot sure about reality manipulation via messing with data
iirc, undertale verse now is rated as only having 1 timeline due some reason that I dont knowin a game like this, with how strange it is, how 4th-wall breaky it is, how it seems to be partially centered around alternate timelines and how the game is clearly centered around
that's just not true whatiirc, undertale verse now is rated as only having 1 timeline due some reason that I dont know
It indeed is not true, but somehow it is currently rated as that nowthat's just not true what
idk what @Ricsi-viragosi thinks other than he disagrees with removing time manipulationSo which staff members and retired staff members have agreed to what so far?
yeah we can do that real quick and then probably keep talking about the parts that some still disagree withShould we go with applying the parts that none of them disagree with then?
done with most of it and changed the display title but idk how to change the actual page's title if I even canOkay. I will unlock it. Tell me here when you are done.
Both share the same name in lore (or Flowey mistakes the two regardless).I have done so. Shouldn't we remove Chara as a name for the player though. They are clearly different entities.
Flowey was likely just trying to bait the player into doing evil.Both share the same name in lore (or Flowey mistakes the two regardless).
Considering when he uses that name, it seems to be the opposite (his post-pacifist speech).Flowey was likely just trying to bait the player into doing evil.
His pacifist end speech really didn't seem to be that way.Flowey was likely just trying to bait the player into doing evil.
whatever let's talk about thisbut we still need to all come to a conclusion about the player's reality warping, low 2-C and the stuff that might be added under their reality warping (statistics amplification/reduction and super-limited plot manipulation)
It's just flowey thinking the player is charaBoth share the same name in lore (or Flowey mistakes the two regardless).
But we know Chara can't reset before you sell your soul to them
I know this may sound weird but, how do we know that? In their speech, nothing really implies that they need the soul, only that it is their bargaining chip:It can't be Chara, they need us to sell our soul at the end of genocide for that.
If chara could have done it without Frisk's soul then he would have been present in pacifist and neutral route tooI know this may sound weird but, how do we know that? In their speech, nothing really implies that they need the soul, only that it is their bargaining chip
Wouldn't this loop back to "But they are present. Flowey talks to them post-pacifist"?If chara could have done it without Frisk's soul then he would have been present in pacifist and neutral route too
Post pacifist flowey talks with us telling us now you are the only threat leftWouldn't this loop back to "But they are present. Flowey talks to them post-pacifist"?
Flowey may use "you", but he's talking with someone he believes:Post pacifist flowey talks with us telling us now you are the only threat left
Flowey may use "you", but he's talking with someone he believes:
- Is the "One last thread" to a pacifist ending;
- The "One being with the power to erase EVERYTHING";
- Isn't Frisk;
- Has probably heard this speech "a hundred times already";
- Shares a name with Chara.
Which could point back to Chara, as, if you were to do a Geno run as your first, Sans' speech about timelines would remain unchanged.
(There's the fact that Sans can call Frisk out in their very first run as always knowing what will happen, as if they saw it all before, but I feel like this would be too much of a stretch to include properly)
Which could point back to Chara, as, if you were to do a Geno run as your first, Sans' speech about timelines would remain unchanged.
(There's the fact that Sans can call Frisk out in their very first run as always knowing what will happen, as if they saw it all before, but I feel like this would be too much of a stretch to include properly)