Master Egg Blaster?

[JJSliderman]

Was on Discord when someone brought up that in the original Japanese, the Egg Blaster was stated to destroy a large amount of hoshi.
There’s an obvious bit of debacle with that word, so is there solid proof that the Egg Blaster destroyed stars and not planets?

 

[ShakeResounding]

Wasn't it explicitly shot at a cluster of stars on-screen?

 

[JJSliderman]

All that really happens is that the screen flashes white and then Eggman says the line, except swap stars in English with hoshi.
Which can also mean planet.

 

[Theuser789]

No reason to assume hoshi means anything other than stars when that was what the official translation choose, so the burden of proof is on the person claiming that it isn't stars

 

[JJSliderman]

I understand, but don’t we usually go with the low end unless otherwise proven? There’s no real way to tell it was stars or planets and it’s kinda 50:50 if the original translator was right.
Especially when Shadow the Hedgehog made a contradiction with hoshi at least once.

 

[ShakeResounding]

It seems very off to try and claim it's a "cluster of planets" within the context of the feat itself.

 

[JJSliderman]

A cluster of planets would still be fairly impressive given the Emeralds in the Eclipse Cannon only produced a ninatons tier blast.

 

[Theuser789]

I understand, but don’t we usually go with the low end unless otherwise proven? There’s no real way to tell it was stars or planets and it’s kinda 50:50 if the original translator was right.
Especially when Shadow the Hedgehog made a contradiction with hoshi at least once.

No? A low-end isn't correct just because it's a low end, that view point is already incorrect. As I said there's absolute no reason to assume it's planets other then "it could be", while we actualy have proof it is stars.

Imagine if the original translation did indeed use planet, would a thread that upgrade it via saying "hoshi can be stars!!!!" be accepted even if it's equaly as valid as this one? Obviously not, low-balls and high-balls need proof, and aren't correct via their own existence

 

[DragonLord]

From a character perspective, Game Eggman isn’t really the type to wipe out planets, he’d rather capture it and use it for land, (see the entirety of Sonic CD and Colors) I think Stars would make more sense with his goals

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

I of course agree with what Theuser said here, even on the lore it was established that the Egg Blaster did destroy a cluster of stars within the purpose of reactivating Emerl's original programming.

 

[JJSliderman]

Lore?

 

[JJSliderman]

From a character perspective, Game Eggman isn’t really the type to wipe out planets, he’d rather capture it and use it for land, (see the entirety of Sonic CD and Colors) I think Stars would make more sense with his goals

Generally speaking this only applies to planets with life on them, he could have picked some meaningless uninhabited worlds to do it

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Lore?

Yes, and other sources about the meaning of hoshi supports being actually stars.

 

[Theuser789]

Especially when Shadow the Hedgehog made a contradiction with hoshi at least once.

Even fan translators used stars in that example, again, no reason to assume otherwise without any proof

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Generally speaking this only applies to planets with life on them, he could have picked some meaningless uninhabited worlds to do it

Unless you can prove the original text contradicts the official translation (i.e. stars) then there’s no reason to assume planets.
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[DragonLord]

Generally speaking this only applies to planets with life on them, he could have picked some meaningless uninhabited worlds to do it

That’s still land he could use for his benefits later, specially since well, pretty much everyone in Sonic can breathe in space

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Even fan translators used stars in that example, again, no reason to assume otherwise without any proof

The hoshi was exactly from the Japanese version, which is directly where the statement of the Eclipse Cannon piercing stars comes from.

It would make zero sense to use that example to contradict what was the same point of reference used for the Blaster destroying the stars.

 

[JJSliderman]

Unless you can prove the original text contradicts the official translation (i.e. stars) then there’s no reason to assume planets.
https://media.**********.net/attachments/796179201690566657/850480016579362866/image1.png

Would it be feasible to ask for said translation at some point, I don’t really understand the language in question.

 

[Theuser789]

There's no point, hoshi can mean multiple things, how do you want people to translate something you brought no evidence for in the first place?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

As it stands “hoshi” doesn’t inherently contradict “stars”, and the only argument I’ve seen provided for the planets interpretation is “it could be”.

 

[JJSliderman]

People ultimately determined that hoshi referred to Star for games like Shadow, so I assumed something similar could be done here. My bad.
I just have a feeling that relying on the original translators isn’t going to be satisfactory to everyone.

 

[Theuser789]

People can't translate something out of thin air

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

^

 

[JJSliderman]

I get that.
Although if a definitive answer did come up in the future, that would be great.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I also think it doesn’t make much sense within the context for it to be referring to planets.

 

[JJSliderman]

There isn’t really a ton of context to be had

 

[Theuser789]

For the the Eclipse Cannon's pierces stars statement, it comes from a game (Shadow the Hedgehog) that was originally developed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_Team#Sega_Studios_USA and released first in North America as an english product before localized for Japan if we want to place importance on original releases. The usage of the japanese word hoshi being mutable to mean star/stars there just further proves it not retconned in any sense in that particular translation. The dependence on proving that there was an actual veritable inconsistency with the translation is up to the people wanting to say its wrong the positive evidence is the localization itself being recognized as a SEGA product + you actually have the localizations credited in the credits of the version of Sonic Battle that has an alternative subbed Japanese translation in it as well as english subbed, there isn't some magical language barrier that bars the translation being wrong when its done by people employed by SEGA, burden of proof is on the negative claim not having any tangible evidence to show the words context for "stars" there doesnt fit the scene in a JP version of the game.

 

[DragonLord]

I also just don’t see Eggman as the type to destroy planets, even ones without life, I mean remember there’s seemingly no negative consequence of just blowing up the moon outright in SA2 but instead he just made a crater in it

 

[ElixirBlue]

I also just don’t see Eggman as the type to destroy planets,

I mean, he drained the life force of the planet in Sonic Lost World and we see Amy dying.

 

[DragonLord]

I mean, he drained the life force of the planet in Sonic Lost World and we see Amy dying.

That’s not destroying a planet outright like Frieza or the Death Star, that’s draining all of it’s resources for your own means, Eggman usually goes for the option that gets the most benefit rather then pure destruction

 

[ElixirBlue]

Eggman usually goes for the option that gets the most benefit

Going off of that, why would not destroying a cluster of stars to test his latest and greatest creation be beneficial for him, if he had no interest in conquering them?

 

[DragonLord]

Going off of that, why would not destroying a cluster of stars to test his latest and greatest creation be beneficial for him, if he had no interest in conquering them?

I’m not sure what the question is, I’m saying that it seems more likely Eggman would destroy stars rather then planets he could use for resources (specially since planet life energy is connected to both Light Gaia and Chaos Energy then anything a Star has shown in the series)

 

[Theuser789]

I mean, he drained the life force of the planet in Sonic Lost World and we see Amy dying.

He explicitly didn't drain too much in order to not destroy the planet

 

[ElixirBlue]

I’m saying that it seems more likely Eggman would destroy stars

I’m in complete agreement.

... But if you are destroying a cluster of stars, more than likely, you are destroying planets along with them.

 

[JJSliderman]

ftr I totally buy it being stars this is just for other people in a Discord I’m in.

 

[Theuser789]

It's their bad, we can't change people's minds like that, if they don't believe it's their problem lol, what matters is arguments

 

[DragonLord]

Do your friends already think Sonic is planetary?, in that case you could just ask why exactly would Emerl would think a Planetry laser would be all that impressive

 

[JJSliderman]

Well yeah they consider Emerl planet.
But ig there’s a counter in saying “Well Emerl with all 7 Emeralds was only said to be a planet buster so destroying several planets would be impressive maybe”

 

[DragonLord]

Considering The Calcs we have now 1 Chaos Emerald should causally be above a multi-planetary beam

 

[Theuser789]

Well yeah they consider Emerl planet.
But ig there’s a counter in saying “Well Emerl with all 7 Emeralds was only said to be a planet buster so destroying several planets would be impressive maybe”

The emeralds don't boost Emerl, they simply unlock his already existing power