Xiao isn't well known and Ganyu isn't known as a fighter anymore heck she even hides that she's an adeptus. Beidou could be weaker than him as well you know. Tartaglia regularly talks about those he wants to fight it isn't a bad metric to me.
Signora has an idea on how strong Jean is since she apparently didn't want to fight her.
No it's like saying character A badly want to fight character B so character A is stronger than character C or D cause they doesn't mention them, it doesn't work like that, wanting to fight doesn't mean knowing how strong they're, i could aspire to be the better than the current best MMA fighter doesn't mean that said fighter is outright superior than other.
That wasn't tho, the argument is who is the most famous, no one is more famous than Varka in the KOF and he have personally experience the traveler stamina and know that Zhongli is a former archon so he have two easy target to put on the list, unlike the rest who you even admit is either retired thus not known or straight of not known or sound like myth-is, or isn't as famous or fightable in most case.
Issue with that argument is that his interest in you comes from actually fighting you and wanting a rematch. So it isn't really comparable here as he's actually fought you unlike Diluc, Beidou or Jean. And out of Jean and Varka, he chose the obviously stronger one. Honestly, only reason Mihoyo even had him mention Varka is to further hype up a guy we haven't seen yet and everyone else is literally people related to the Liyue quest.
That's the problem though, Jean is well known since Ningguang even mentions her so her name is known among the Fatui and in Liyue
My point still stands even for Varka as Zhongli should be superior to him by virtue of being able to chuck islands at people.
Disagree. Xiao is very much well known throughout Liyue's legends. If he knows Rex Lapis, he would also likely know about the guardian Yaksha.
Except it doesn't as his reason for wanting to fight Zhongli has literally nothing to do with power. His whole reasoning is to fight him due to the trickery in which the traveler directly mentions that Childe would stand no chance.
She know beacause Liyue is right next to Mondstadt and mondstadt seem to be close with Liyue as Noelle for some reason travel to Liyue to prep for the exam so there's a connection between the two country at the moment thus they both know eachother.
Except Ningguang never mentions combat ability, but instead mentions Jean as a person and less her skill in combat. So her name is well known, but what exactly she is known for is unknown. And one can argue that the Ruin Guard story is not known outside of Mondstadt.
Xiao is stated to be relatively unknown among mortals in his character story. Tsarista likely told the Fatui about Zhongli since both are archons and have seemingly met.
Okay that's just not true, Jean base on the voiceline clearly hold back and fight for both protecting and to spare the part which mean she can't just lol stomp them all immediately but try to find away to not seemingly obliterate them like she did despite holding back, and tartaglia in base have a far weaker feat and FLT blitzing compare to holding back and stalling seem to be comparable to me.
What implies she holds back? She just said she wishes she could find another way to stop them.
So at worst Jean scale to his base or Delusion.
Btw it is never stated she spent an entire day to kill them, we don' t have a time frame. But it was clearly not an issue for her.
Yeah that's what I've been arguing for. I think she should scale to his base or Delusion much like how Liyue Traveler seems to scale to his Delusion.
She say she need to find another way to destroy them without obliterating meaning whatever she did she did it pretty casually and base on how she say she have no choice it was an easy fight for her and since she stated that she need to find another way to not destroy them so thoroughly meaning she did try to hold back but that wasn't enough, if she didn't and actually have difficulty she wouldn't even complain in the first place as betting on some miracle over the safety of monstadt isn't something she's going to do.
That is not what she says. She says and I quote: Today I had no choice but to cut down five Ruin Guards to protect the people of our city... Ugh, I must continue working harder. Though hostile, destroying such precious artifacts is still a loss to us all. I must find a less destructive way to bring them down next time...
Nothing suggests she's on that level. Heck it makes more sense that she's weaker since Delusions are said to be stronger than Visions and Childe's training in the abyss should be better than most other forms of training.
She never say she need multiple attack and if the attack didn't obliterate them then the researcher would have something to look at which isn't what happening here, we can interpret it that way base on the context.
She's specifically stated to need multiple in Klee's story quest. So you're asserting Jean is stronger than Ganyu and Traveler right? Or are you arguing she can't control her power?
That guy you're talking about is clearly different from everyone else as he can still perceive the elements without his Vision and can perception blitz the Traveler. Not even FLT is that fast.
Point is you can't just say dillusion >>>> vision like it always make the former usr stronger as there are various factor determining one strength not just their elemental power.
Well yeah if it make sense, since Ganyu doesn't have anyone to spar with or can't just up and run away from the harbor to find a suitable opponent which their is nearly none and this happen for 500-1000 year then she would get rusty which would explain her being as weak as she's since she isn't a full adepti.
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That doesn't prove Delusions aren't stronger. That guy did what he did without a vision. Plus I just sited it as supporting evidence since Childe also has superior training.
I know the feeling
Prolly a typo
The Traveler was only fighting Delusion Childe with Anemo, and only started using Geo at the end.
We have no proof whatsoever Traveler was only using one element to confront Childe up until that point.
