Big Granolah crt

[Rez]

That is a big assumption based on Beerus age, and Goku can't even use Hakai properly, there are no reason to assume that he could use Hakai at the same level as Beerus. Currently busy i will properly reply later

Whis doesn't disagree with that statement of beerus either and from what we know the angels knows the most about the their verse

 

[Teezar]

Feat

Seems like a technique faster than even instant transmission

 

[Teezar]

Beerus statement is that he cant kill Immortals, Beerus has live millions of years, he probably found some immortal random people, and that is also a reason that Zamasu didnt died by Goku hakai

Didn't beerus hakai a ghost?

 

[RinneItachi]

Ghost's are non-physical/incorporeal, not technically immortal, or at least not in the same sense as what Beerus means. Also that was anime only.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Didn't beerus hakai a ghost?

Ghosts aren't immortal in that sense, they are just incorporeal/soul, it maybe can be rated as Immortality in VS battles, but it isnt how it works in DB

 

[Teezar]

Ghosts aren't immortal in that sense, they are just incorporeal/soul, it maybe can be rated as Immortality in VS battles, but it isnt how it works in DB

They can live forever

 

[Rez]

That's just type 1 immortality it's different from zamasu's mid godly regeneration zamasu's immortality is type 1 and type 3

They can live forever

 

[BetterThanYou]

Ghosts are type 1 immortals so beerus can erase them. Zamasu was a type 3 immortal

 

[Bernkastelll]

They can live forever

Thats immortality type 1 due a ghost nature that doesnt age, im not even sure if DB treats it as immortality

 

[SamanPatou]

He was also able to figure out Goku's body was dodging on it's own before his mind could even process the attack

Yes, that's good for info analysis, I specifically mentioned the first scan only.

that's just Toyotaro's portrayal of hakai being just bad literally all of the hakai before this arc were done in the same manner

No, because Beerus explains that when matter gets erased from existence, an explosion occurs due to the energy release. This means that only the "exploding hakai" involves existence erasure, the one that turns stuff into dust is different and might be what Goku refers to when he says that he messed up the technique.

 

[Bernkastelll]

No, because Beerus explains that when matter gets erased from existence, an explosion occurs due to the energy release. This means that only the "exploding hakai" involves existence erasure, the one that turns stuff into dust is different and might be what Goku refers to when he says that he messed up the technique.

thats a issue with the hakai itself and the explanations that it is having

 

[Rez]

No, because Beerus explains that when matter gets erased from existence, an explosion occurs due to the energy release. This means that only the "exploding hakai" involves existence erasure, the one that turns stuff into dust is different and might be what Goku refers to when he says that he messed up the technique.

That's just an issue with Toyotaro's portrayal especially since we have seen hakai being used by both belmond and beerus in the manga in a similar way as that of Goku before

 

[Rez]

Here is hakai being used by both beerus and belmond

 

[Rez]

Toyotaro just decided to change how he portrays it

 

[YukaSama4]

Oh boy, so either we accept all of them as EE, or we reject any hakai that happened before beerus's explanation?

 

[SamanPatou]

I know Toyotaro changed it, but Granolah also performed what looks like the "pulverizing hakai", and now that Vegeta stated that he possesses even the "exploding version", I'm prone to believe there are two seprate versions.

Anyway, I see your point, personally I would keep it as it is, but a "possibly EE" should solve the problem.

 

[Rez]

Yeah a possibly ee should do it

 

[joshpiece]

Anyway, I see your point, personally I would keep it as it is, but a "possibly EE" should solve the problem.

Hmm I didn’t know we could give possibly to abilities like that. Good to know

 

[Rez]

Vegeta stated that he possesses even the "exploding version"

Vegeta stated nothing like that though this is the page where Vegeta compares what Granolah did to hakai and this is the page right after

 

[Rez]

That

 

[Rez]

But a possible EE is still good enough I guess

 

[Animegod12345]

I still don’t think Granolah has hakai

 

[Rez]

I still don’t think Granolah has hakai

Never said it was it's just ee Vegeta said it was similar to hakai meaning it can be something else which gives the same result

 

[Bernkastelll]

I still don’t think Granolah has hakai

he has a techinique (idk how to write this word) that Vegeta himself stated to be similar to Hakai, and later, Goku was asking if Granolah was using their techniques, so, even if it isnt Hakai itself, it still works in the same way, which is Existence Erasure
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[YukaSama4]

agree with Kastel and Rez

 

[joshpiece]

Giving EE for being compared to an ability that has shown to be very inconsistent with it just recently showing capabilities of EE is ify to me but I still think the possible works

 

[Bernkastelll]

Giving EE for being compared to an ability that has shown to be very inconsistent with it just recently showing capabilities of EE

Yeah, the Hakai is still a issue in manga, however, for now, Hakai is rated as EE currently in our manga profiles, we first will need to get rid of it to make Granolah skills invalid as EE, but it need another thread, not this, yeah, possibly EE works

 

[Damage3245]

We can give Granolah a "Possibly" for the abilities derived from Hakai for using an ability similar to Hakai.

 

[BOEGVELD]

What's the standard for Danmaku? I can understand that the first scan is not Danmaku, but Granolah's continuously spamming ki blasts here, here and here.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't know if there is a specific standard but generally I think you'd need a higher quantity than that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I don't know if there is a specific standard but generally I think you'd need a higher quantity than that.

Well, I guess the danmaku scan is fine then I never understood well what can be consider as Danmaku

 

[BOEGVELD]

No, because Beerus explains that when matter gets erased from existence, an explosion occurs due to the energy release. This means that only the "exploding hakai" involves existence erasure, the one that turns stuff into dust is different and might be what Goku refers to when he says that he messed up the technique.

The explosion that occurs due to the leap of energy only seems to happen when an object is erased. Beerus erases a being here, and the leap of energy doesn't occur either. And Goku's technique is noted to be the same as Beerus' here.

 

[BOEGVELD]

I don't know if there is a specific standard but generally I think you'd need a higher quantity than that.

O, ok. I though it'd qualify cuz it quite literally follows the description of Danmaku lol. So how many projectiles do you think are needed for Danmaku?

 

[Bernkastelll]

O, ok. I though it'd qualify cuz it quite literally follows the description of Danmaku lol. So how many projectiles do you think are needed for Danmaku?

Touhou level of projectiles

 

[Animegod12345]

They pretty much confirmed that goku sucks at hakai and he'll clearly never use it again.

 

[Purgy]

That's nowhere near Danmaku, if that was the requirement, half the characters on this wiki would have it, it needs to overwhelm the opponent due to the sheer number of projectiles, several hundred at the very least, not just 10 or 20 like we see in the scans.

 

[Bernkastelll]

They pretty much confirmed that goku sucks at hakai and he'll clearly never use it again.

Still is EE, doesnt matter if it is good or bad

 

[Rez]

They pretty much confirmed that goku sucks at hakai and he'll clearly never use it again.

The only thing they confirmed is that Goku messed up and that statement alone is too vague to draw any meaning from

 

[Vietthai96]

I think we should on hold this CRT until the next chapter, everything still not clear enough.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

GIVE GRANOLAH INFINITE SPEED