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Bakugo fights a really explosive kid GRACE
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The immortal example is irrelevant here because, unlike the immortal, Klee literally has this shield as a basic ability that’s essentially permanently up. That’s like saying any fight with a HunterxHunter character where they stomp with Nen Crush is a fair fight because they could choose to not use their Nen the entire fight. It’s so ridiculously out of character that it’s direct interference to aid the other side, and therefore an impossible wincon to achieve.
The ability itself isn’t ridiculous, but using it vs someone weaker than her that she directly counters with it is. You claimed that this barrier is quite literally one of the most basic things anyone in the verse can do and that he cannot break it ever due to its durability and that it literally shuts down all of his attack options. So what does he do, just stand there and stare at her until he dies?
What does Stun Grenade do either? How is that a wincon? He can’t win off a single punch or explosion, her normal durability is higher than him too.
The ability itself isn’t ridiculous, but using it vs someone weaker than her that she directly counters with it is. You claimed that this barrier is quite literally one of the most basic things anyone in the verse can do and that he cannot break it ever due to its durability and that it literally shuts down all of his attack options. So what does he do, just stand there and stare at her until he dies?
What does Stun Grenade do either? How is that a wincon? He can’t win off a single punch or explosion, her normal durability is higher than him too.
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And also Bakugo has every advantage over Klee besides specific bombs she won't get to use because of the range difference, he has AP, skill, intelligence, experience, speed due to his speed amps, and arguably durability because Klee's max durability is vague, if Klee didn't have the shield Bakugo would have stomped tbh
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Razor has a 2x multiplier. Lisa effortlessly scales massively above his maximum.
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Uh, what? Is that how their shields work? If so, why DOESN’T he win? If he uses Stun Grenade and grabs her arms to stop her from throwing bombs or making a barrier, how does he not win here? Stun Grenade is one of the easier moves he’s capable of, and if the barrier can be interrupted by a lapse in concentration, then he can absolutely get her to drop it and grapple her, that’s a very easy thing for him to do.
I mean, being able to stomp out an opponent that would normally beat you because you have an ability that shuts down all their possible attacks and leaves them to basically die is a stomp. Or at least should be. The terms for stomps on the site is all kinds of messed up.
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Shouldn't it be 4.4 than since he would gain 10% damage when he collect elemental orb and particle which is his maximum or do we don't use situational amp?
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Because Klee can just as easily blast normal fire around her, have a Spark auto-aim lasers at Bakugo, or turn herself into intangible fire and fly away. She's not entirely about bombs.
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Can probably talk about this on the discussion thread.
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So the win con you just provided doesn’t even exist? Why even bring it up like it was viable at all then?
You’re claiming that a fight where someone can turn intangible, has 5x amps to all their abilities, has a forcefield that is over 5x their AP that specifically counters every attack Bakugo can do, is a fair fight, because he can blind and hit her maybe once before dying right after. Yet it isn’t a stomp, because there is a universe where she just stands there and does nothing and lets herself lose.
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That’s terrible logic. That fight should be a stomp as well then, the heck?
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Personally i feel if there is room for victory for both sides despite being unlikely it means its not a stomp
A stomp is something like a match where there is literally no chance for discussion, or a chance for both sides on side will win 100% of the time
Like Goku vs the living tribunal
A one sided fight is different from a stomp
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I mean, but what discussion is there here?
“Bakugo attacks Klee.
“She puts up barrier”
“Bakugo cannot get rid of barrier and dies to himself.”
“Oh, he can stun grenade her”
“No, she just turns intangible and he dies to her 5x amped abilities”
That’s the extent of the discussion, he literally can’t do anything to her except die, there is no win condition here.
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That’s like saying a 10-B that leads with 1-A hax is a fair fight again a tier 7 character because the possibility that they won’t instantly win isn’t 0.
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Maybe, MAYBE, if Bakugo wasn’t LITERALLY dying every second and breaking every bone in his body while in this state, I could see a win con. But he isn’t. He’s legit dying all the time here.
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Personally I’d be more inclined to say Klee is more likely to try retreating the instant she starts losing ground rather than insta shields gg
But I’m the OP and a neutral party here so if that’s literally the extent of this entire discussion then so be it this is a stomp
MHA vs Genshin just doesn’t work outside of oddities like maybe Deku and Xiao
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Yet again, child, he has the wincon of blitzing her at the beginning and her not knowing what the hell to do because she's never fought anyone even close to as strong as Bakugo, and I wouldn't be surprised if she's never used the intangibility before because she never felt like it was needed, so the and Bakugo is much faster then her, Klee's first reaction would probably be to blow up Bakugo like fodder hirlichurls instead of piece out as a flame, so Bakugo does have a wincon ad it isn't unlikely tbh
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Speed is equal, he isn’t faster
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And what do you mean she hasn’t used intangibility?
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Speed is equal
Plus Klee has MHS reaction and combat speed so if it was unequalized Klee would blitz
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That she’s likely not as used to doing it as other far more experienced vision wielders who use the ability who can do it
Plus she just chills and one shots fodders with her bombs and never really needed to do so herself or even dodge much so she’s likely just worse at it
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Cool. So he dies to forcefield cause he can’t break it, and in the case he uses stun grenade and she drops it, she goes intangible and puts it back up. Or, from what I’m seeing that might not be the case actually.
Something interesting was just raised up: can she turn intangible if she is grappled or not.
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He starts at 100%, he can’t amp his speed further
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So is it feasible for her to escape a grapple from someone with literally billions of times her Lifting Strength?
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well shit my mistake, but still skill applies
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Right now, she either wins or loses depending on what she does after Bakugo uses Stun Grenade and blinds her through her shield.
That’s also assuming he doesn’t just chokehold her unconscious in a couple seconds.
That’s also assuming he doesn’t just chokehold her unconscious in a couple seconds.
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Yes but likely after a vague amount of time
More trained vision users can switch back and forth comfortably l
So she could end up getting completely mushed by Bakugo before she gets time to just go intangible or something or might not get to think of such due to panicking and being in a lot of pain
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Probably not, she is a literal 9 year old when it comes to her base strength, and she takes pain even worse then Bakugo, if she is getting repeatedly slammed on the ground she won't think at all to use her shield or intangibility
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Explosions work differently in terms of distributing energy so Klee still won’t take punches from bakugo well
Although she can take Bakugo’s explosions
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Oh. Well, I suppose we have a win con then, and a pretty feasible one at that.
So, here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
Klee doesn’t want to hurt people and Bakugo doesn’t want to hurt kids seriously. If they’re both in the mindset of beating the opponent, Klee is more likely to get scared and hide behind her barrier, which blocks all of Bakugo’s attacks. Bakugo, being at 100% which in itself puts him in a strange as heck state of mind, sees the barrier and either tries to hit or explode it, which don’t work. He then uses stun grenade point blank on the barrier which blinds her, so she drops it. He then just walks forward and restrains her by knocking her out with a strike to the head or chokehold.
So, here’s what I’ve gathered so far.
Klee doesn’t want to hurt people and Bakugo doesn’t want to hurt kids seriously. If they’re both in the mindset of beating the opponent, Klee is more likely to get scared and hide behind her barrier, which blocks all of Bakugo’s attacks. Bakugo, being at 100% which in itself puts him in a strange as heck state of mind, sees the barrier and either tries to hit or explode it, which don’t work. He then uses stun grenade point blank on the barrier which blinds her, so she drops it. He then just walks forward and restrains her by knocking her out with a strike to the head or chokehold.
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You can knock someone out in a single punch if they aren’t trained to take punches well by the way. So her having somewhat higher durability doesn’t mean much if he hits in the right spot like her temples.
Would he do that is the question though since he’s in a very weird spot of fighting a literal child.
Would he do that is the question though since he’s in a very weird spot of fighting a literal child.
