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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Agnaa said:
Matt's making massive changes that I disagree with to a profile I created almost a year ago, without a CRT, and continues to apply them after me reverting them (for bonus points, he messed up on the formatting of categories and P&A).

Page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ana_Thurmond

Edit History: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ana_Thurmond?curid=4484226&action=history
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He definitely shouldn't be starting an edit war over something that should be common sense, I've undone the changes and will lock the page if this goes on any longer.

It may be either my leniency or inexperience talking at the moment but @Matthew_Schroeder if you want the changes applied simply make a CRT for it, I know you know better, we all know that you know better. So please just follow the standard process.
 
I also don't appreciate utterly removing improvements to the profile that have nothing to do with powers and abilities like the picture, the improved summary, the new quote, etc.

I don't get why Agnaa "making the profile" should give him some level of authority over it.
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
I thought you conceded because you just shrugged and said you were going to eat mid argument. I also discussed my changes with Ultima and he agreed with them so it's not like I just did it without any discussion.
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It's cool that Ultima agreed to it and all, but you were still having this conversation with Agnaa, another knowledgeable member.

It shouldn't need to be pointed out either that Discord conversations are not CRTs, it is not as if all the changes were just general improvements, lots of the stuff added should have been posted in an actual thread and shown to be agreed with. Not everybody is on Discord and knows what's going on in these servers.

Matthew_Schroeder said:
I also don't appreciate utterly removing improvements to the profile that have nothing to do with powers and abilities like the picture, the improved summary, the new quote, etc.

I don't get why Agnaa "making the profile" should give him some level of authority over it.
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You made all the changes in a singular edit, so when that edit is undone of course all those changes would go with it, regardless of if they were fine or not. If you didn't want them all removed together you should have just started with the CRT.

This isn't about Agnaa having authority over the page, just you not taking the proper steps to have the information added.
 
I thought you conceded because you just shrugged and said you were going to eat mid argument.

That's not what happened, guess I need to bring out more screenshots then...

We were arguing back and forth, when discussion moved to why I described your changes the way I did, where I said it was because of stuff that needed a CRT, and because even if you had made a CRT, there were editing errors. You asked why general improvements were undone, I said it was because I was undoing all edits, and we both went to grab some food. That's a conversation shifting from stuff you brought up, not me conceding.

I also don't appreciate utterly removing improvements to the profile that have nothing to do with powers and abilities like the picture, the improved summary, the new quote, etc.

Because it's easier to hit the "undo" button than it is to go meticulously remove every non-aesthetic change you made to the profile. If you made the aesthetic changes on your own, I wouldn't have reverted them, like you did with many other profiles for the verse that I didn't revert.

I don't get why Agnaa "making the profile" should give him some level of authority over it.

It's to clarify that it's not some profile you recently made, and thus wouldn't really need a CRT to change. You're coming into a long-established profile made by another user and making drastic, substantive changes without their consent. I don't have some exclusive authority on it that gives me sole-rights to add and remove anything as I see fit, but you sure as hell don't.
 
Abstractions said:
It shouldn't need to be pointed out either that Discord conversations are not CRTs, it is not as if all the changes were just general improvements, lots of the stuff added should have been posted in an actual thread and shown to be agreed with. Not everybody is on Discord and knows what's going on in these servers.
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That's fine but a lot of Unsong profiles have been made / edited based on Discord conversations between me, Ultima and Agnaa since we're like the only people who care about it.
 
That's fine but a lot of Unsong profiles have been made / edited based on Discord conversations between me, Ultima and Agnaa since we're like the only people who care about it.

To add more info, most of these involved the creation of new profiles, or modifications to newly-created profiles with the agreement of everyone involved. That and purely aesthetic changes to established profiles. The only other substantive change to an old profile was Matt making this page 8-C instead of 9-A, which I'm not quite sure about and I would have, in all honesty, preferred a CRT for.

tl;dr almost none of this Discord stuff was about substantive changes to old profiles.
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
That's fine but a lot of Unsong profiles have been made / edited based on Discord conversations between me, Ultima and Agnaa since we're like the only people who care about it.
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I get that you guys are the main, if not only people that handle Unsong and I know it sounds like a pain, but you understand that having the CRT is just standard procedure and documents the changes when they were agreed on for everyone to review, even new knowledgeable people who stumble across the pages.

It's not like I'm trying to bust your balls for no reason, just that it's something that should be done, even if it's annoying and the people involved already agree.
 
Yeah a CRT is definitely best here

I'd also have to ask what our stance is for off wiki behaviour (Curious because of a certain controversy on the Discord)
 
Hellbeast said:
Yeah a CRT is definitely best here

I'd also have to ask what our stance is for off wiki behaviour (Curious because of a certain controversy on the Discord)
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    • Actions that lead to the destabilization of the site (such as videos, forum posts, Discord chats, etc. that create drama), whether or not it was systematic. To determine what counts as destabilization of the site one should mostly look at the consequences of said act rather than the individual act itself.
    • Threatening someone off-site, be it a threat of violence, hacking, doxxing, sexual harassment, etc.
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A warning seems enough for that. Is somebody willing to give it?
 
Antvasima said:
This doesn't seem severe enough to mete out any punishment, but a CRT would be best, yes.
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Yeah I just wanted staff attention so it could be locked until a CRT's done.
 
So, I have a mild feeling of suspicion that the user Otonashi is a sock puppet OkkotsuEdgy. They seem to have been made on the same day around a week ago and Oto only has two posts, which were Otonashi agreeing with OkkotsuEdgy on this thread and both agreeing with this other thread today.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but they give off a sockpuppet vibe to me.
 
May I ask why don't you lock anybody from editing every pages?
It just seems safer that way?
Or is it because you can't do that,? But I remembered Ant mentioned how he was "unlocking" the Shinza page, So I'm assuming moderators can do that?
 
Planck69 said:
So, I have a mild feeling of suspicion that the user Otonashi is a sock puppet OkkotsuEdgy. They seem to have been made on the same day around a week ago and Oto only has two posts, which were Otonashi agreeing with OkkotsuEdgy on this thread and both agreeing with this other thread today.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but they give off a sockpuppet vibe to me.
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It also looked awfully odd to me.
 
Chasekilleen said:
May I ask why don't you lock anybody from editing every pages?
It just seems safer that way?
Or is it because you can't do that,? But I remembered Ant mentioned how he was "unlocking" the Shinza page, So I'm assuming moderators can do that?
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Do you mean blocking a user from editing any page? I don't think that's possible.
 
Chasekilleen said:
May I ask why don't you lock anybody from editing every pages?
It just seems safer that way?
Or is it because you can't do that,? But I remembered Ant mentioned how he was "unlocking" the Shinza page, So I'm assuming moderators can do that?
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Moderators and admins can edit pages even if they are locked.

But otherwise it's more that it would be a pain to always have to lock and unlock for every single small things.
 
Chasekilleen said:
May I ask why don't you lock anybody from editing every pages?
It just seems safer that way?
Or is it because you can't do that,? But I remembered Ant mentioned how he was "unlocking" the Shinza page, So I'm assuming moderators can do that?
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Lock the pages from who? All users? To every pages? I don't think that's a good idea. Only administrators can edit then. But if it's about locking pages from users that aren't autoconfirmed, then the VSB practices dictate that we already do that.

We only lock pages from being edited by all user, if those pages are prone to vandalism, or are popular characters and pages, or characters around tier 1. Because locking and unlocking for any kind of changes, small or big, to any kind of pages, is an absolute inefficiency.
 
I only locked it because someone was (at that current time) adding some changes that weren't properly evaluated. It can be unlocked as far as I know (I was going to unlock it eventually), I just locked it in case the user makes another edit after I have already reversed the edits.

It was only one profile, my point was for "every pages". The point will still stand that it is incredibly inefficient to lock and unlock every pages for changes.
 
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