Jujutsu Kaisen - Scale

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah and both times she only harmed them with Playful Cloud. Unless her tier 7 rating is only coming from her using Playful Cloud which you didn’t indicate.

You are thinking that Hanami and Dagon are on the same level as FB. I want you to give me a reason

Isn’t it the wiki assumption if the meteor catches fire due to friction and that’s the only logical conclusion?

Jogo could’ve set it on fire if we wanted to and we literally can not know whether he did or didn’t.

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Is via this

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yeah and both times she only harmed them with Playful Cloud. Unless her tier 7 rating is only coming from her using Playful Cloud which you didn’t indicate.

To be fair playful cloud is defined to be a weapon that’s strength is based on the users strength
Before anyone brings that up I’ll give my interpretation

It’s akin to a human using a baseball bat as a weapon
A 10 year old can still seriously harm me if they swing it at me but their attack potency with the baseball bat still scales highly above their punches. Punches I could probably tank.

But if some 25 Year old man in his prime in peak physical condition uses it, it will be stronger than a punch from them by a decent amount their feats with the baseball bat are much higher.

Which is how I think of playful cloud, the thing that makes it a special grade weapon is likely just that the gap between say a 25 Year olds punches and the stick wack are much higher otherwise any old cursed tool would be just as effective.

Maki’s durability being tier 7 is fine with me though if this is the route we’re going.
Maki’s AP can be Varies with Cursed Tools up to High 7-C or Low 7-B or whatever

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

You are thinking that Hanami and Dagon are on the same level as FB. I want you to give me a reason

I never said that's what I was thinking. That's just your assumption.

Now why is Maki tier 7 if she's not scaling to Dagon and Hanami? Is she scaling to Megumi? Nothing implies that. Is she scaling to Yuji? He's said to have superior physicals and has cursed energy to boot.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

To be fair playful cloud is defined to be a weapon that’s strength is based on the users strength
Before anyone brings that up I’ll give my interpretation

It’s akin to a human using a baseball bat as a weapon
A 10 year old can still seriously harm me if they swing it at me but their attack potency with the baseball bat still scales highly above their punches. Punches I could probably tank.

But if some 25 Year old man in his prime in peak physical condition uses it while it will be stronger than a punch from them by a decent amount their feats with the baseball bat are much higher.

Which is how I think of playful cloud, the thing that makes it a special grade weapon is likely just that the gap between say a 25 Year olds punches and the stick wack are much higher otherwise any old cursed tool would be just as effective.

Maki’s durability being tier 7 is fine with me though if this is the route we’re going.
Maki’s AP can be Varies with Cursed Tools up to High 7-C or Low 7-B or whatever

That's a fair interpretation that honestly might be the case since she takes a chunk out of Dagon's arm but Nanami does no visible damage when he attacks.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

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That is not what I meant
I understand that a meteor catching heat due to friction would be assumed to be that speed

the issue is we can’t prove it was friction in the case of Jogo

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Lol my internet died

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I never said that's what I was thinking. That's just your assumption.

Now why is Maki tier 7 if she's not scaling to Dagon and Hanami? Is she scaling to Megumi? Nothing implies that. Is she scaling to Yuji? He's said to have superior physicals and has cursed energy to boot.

Maki is at least physically comparable to Megumi, which was obvious in the fight against Hanami. Megumi hurt a FB (High 7-C) with a kick, it's simple

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That is not what I meant
I understand that a meteor catching heat due to friction would be assumed to be that speed

the issue is we can’t prove it was friction in the case of Jogo

The meteor would still be at least Low 7-B+ anyway

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

The meteor would still be at least Low 7-B+ anyway

So the low end got accepted
Nice
A more definitive rating on Jogo’s Maximum Meteor

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Maki is at least physically comparable to Megumi, which was obvious in the fight against Hanami. Megumi hurt a FB (High 7-C) with a kick, it's simple

What makes her AP equal to Megumi's?

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

The meteor would still be at least Low 7-B+ anyway

Why was magnitude 5 assumed again? Wouldn't a magnitude 4 also cause rumbling?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What makes her AP equal to Megumi's?

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• When Megumi uses the PC Hanami is only minimally hurt. But when Maki uses the PC he able to destroy part of the Hanami

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Why was magnitude 5 assumed again? Wouldn't a magnitude 4 also cause rumbling?

... No. An earthquake scaring one person and shaking several buildings is considered magnitude 5

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

• This
• When Megumi uses the PC Hanami is only minimally hurt. But when Maki uses the PC he able to destroy part of the Hanami

The black isn't even strength since it says reflexes so that proves nothing.

We never see the damage so you can't prove Megumi didn't take a chunk out of his neck

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The black isn't even strength since it says reflexes so that proves nothing.

We never see the damage so you can't prove Megumi didn't take a chunk out of his neck

The tier are referring to the physical. It's just to reinforce

We see the damage

And come on, Maki literally trains Megumi

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

... No. An earthquake scaring one person and shaking several buildings is considered magnitude 5

Could I ask for a link that supports that?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Could I ask for a link that supports that?

This another calculation

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

The tier are referring to the physical. It's just to reinforce

We see the damage

And come on, Maki literally trains Megumi

If you're talking about that black patch on Hanami's neck then that just shows Megumi also took out a chunk.

Yeah she trains him in how to use weapons which doesn't mean she's stronger.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

This another calculation

Someone else assuming the same thing you did doesn't back you up. Was that calc even accepted? It's not on WB's page.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If you're talking about that black patch on Hanami's neck then that just shows Megumi also took out a chunk.

Wait what?

Yeah she trains him in how to use weapons which doesn't mean she's stronger.

Her training is fighting

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Someone else assuming the same thing you did doesn't back you up. Was that calc even accepted? It's not on WB's page.

Mathematically it is correct. The only problem is the assumption of distance (Damege said this)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

(Come on, 3 CM agree that magnitude 5 is usable. This is extremely unecessary )

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Her training is fighting

With cursed tools.

Mathematically it is correct. The only problem is the assumption of distance (Damege said this)

The fact that damage focused on the most obvious issue doesn't mean assuming magnitude 5 rather than 4 is right. Magnitude 4 is the minimum for people to feel the vibrations and for things to shake.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

(Come on, 3 CM agree that magnitude 5 is usable. This is extremely unecessary )

I only see two but ok (one even said he has no context to tell what's most accurate). Let me just ask anyway what would the result be with magnitude 4?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I only see two but ok (one even said he has no context to tell what's most accurate).

He saw the feat and how it happened. He just doesn't know how it happened

Let me just ask anyway what would the result be with magnitude 4?

Still Small City

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

He saw the feat and how it happened. He just doesn't know how it happened

Still Small City

Ok thanks.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

With cursed tools.

Man, not all weapons are monstrously strong, especially in a training session. And even if they were you also have to take into consideration that it's not only her that would use an extremely strong weapon

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Man, not all weapons are monstrously strong, especially in a training session. And even if they were you also have to take into consideration that it's not only her that would use an extremely strong weapon

The fact that she teaches him how to use weapons doesn't mean she's stronger than him is my point.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The fact that she teaches him how to use weapons doesn't mean she's stronger than him is my point.

The training is fight. It is shown in Jujutsu 0 chapter 2 to 3

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Been on page 4 on March 10 btw, and said that using Domains for scaling implies that low and mid tiers are Mountain level.

We have a statement that Jogo is technically stronger than Hanami due to his elemental advantage (fire user vs plant user). Is there a statement that Hanami's is sometimes less physically tough than Jogo and sometimes more physically tough than Jogo?​

By the way, when Megumi hurt the Finger Bearer with his kick that was within his Domain, and Domains gives an upgrade to stats. So there is lack of evidence that Megumi scales in base.​

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I'll also have to join the criticism for the cave calc:​

The black ellipsoid is roughly the shape used.

'Guessing' the off-screen shape of the cave was done arbitrarily and in a way that unnecessarily exaggerates the size.
The smaller and less wide projections actually have more merit, because the Finger bearer is closer to the center of the blast, and it doesn't beg the question for why the blast extended so far off-screen but travels a much shorter distance in the direction we can actually see.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The black ellipsoid is roughly the shape used.

'Guessing' the off-screen shape of the cave was done arbitrarily and in a way that unnecessarily exaggerates the size.
The smaller and less wide projections actually have more merit, because the Finger bearer is closer to the center of the blast, and it doesn't beg the question for why the blast extended so far off-screen but travels a much shorter distance in the direction we can actually see.

Actually it was the only format I found using the destroyed border. Some of your lines don't even touch the edge

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Another thing, can you show how you did this (If you are using destruction as a basis)? I was really surprised, it took me "30 minutes" to find a format

EDIT: Forget it, you didn't use anything as a basis. Your reasoning doesn't work

 

[RageComment]

Just because you train someone, doesn't mean you are stronger than them, you can be teaching them technique and posture.

Maki is physically stronger than Megumi. But he has Cursed Energy so and ends up scaling higher than her.
Though this can be made up for when she uses a powerful Cursed Weapon like Playful Cloud.

After reading everything that happened here. I think if you are making the extinction that
Dagon is Large Town with Mountain Domain

You don't have to scale Jogo to Mountain with Large Mountain Domain.
He can just be Small City or City with Large Mountain Domain.

That said, I am not even sure where the Large Town comes from?
Is this still all resting on the Finger Bearer Calculation?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Been on page 4 on March 10 btw, and said that using Domains for scaling implies that low and mid tiers are Mountain level.

We have a statement that Jogo is technically stronger than Hanami due to his elemental advantage (fire user vs plant user). Is there a statement that Hanami's is sometimes less physically tough than Jogo and sometimes more physically tough than Jogo?​

By the way, when Megumi hurt the Finger Bearer with his kick that was within his Domain, and Domains gives an upgrade to stats. So there is lack of evidence that Megumi scales in base.​

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I'll also have to join the criticism for the cave calc:​

The black ellipsoid is roughly the shape used.

'Guessing' the off-screen shape of the cave was done arbitrarily and in a way that unnecessarily exaggerates the size.
The smaller and less wide projections actually have more merit, because the Finger bearer is closer to the center of the blast, and it doesn't beg the question for why the blast extended so far off-screen but travels a much shorter distance in the direction we can actually see.

^You need to follow the line of destruction to calculate and find a format, and not assume something without a basis

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can someone summarize the scale here?

@DemonGodMitchAubin Can you help here? It's about calculation

The calculation referred to is this

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

Obviously drawing multiple projections in a short time doesn't lead to ultra-high percision, but for one they fall into margin of error, and secondly literally all it takes to improve them is minor adjustments in extension and positioning that wouldn't change much in the total area.
You have to demonstrate that the projection you've used is somehow the only one that can fit, which frankly sounds absurd. Also, what do you mean by "calculate and find a format"; is there a mathematical proof that the ellipse used in the calc is the only one that can fit?

Nitpicking percision because I didn't dedicate a long time on every projection drawn doesn't address the problems I highlighted.

Last I heard only staff can send notifications via. mentions, so we'll probably have to message Demon directly.

EDIT: Also, the image used in the calc is small and uses thick lines, but you can still argue that the positioning is slightly off.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

The training is fight. It is shown in Jujutsu 0 chapter 2 to 3

Yeah and the stronger person could hold back or it could purely be training for technique like first hit wins rather than a straight fight to KO.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

>stronger person could hold back or it could purely be training for technique like first hit wins rather than a straight fight to KO.

Honestly, this was stupid, they were training hard to win the "tournament", they had to do their best. But well, I'm tired of discussing Jujutsu for today, tomorrow we'll continue.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

>stronger person could hold back or it could purely be training for technique like first hit wins rather than a straight fight to KO.

Honestly, this was stupid, they were training hard to win the "tournament", they had to do their best. But well, I'm tired of discussing Jujutsu for today, tomorrow we'll continue.

Is it stupid because it doesn’t fit your agenda or because you can’t process it? Maki training Megumi to get better with a sword isn’t stupid in anyway and since when have teachers had to be 100% stronger than their students to train them?

I could teach Bruce Lee how to shoot a gun and still get flattened by him in a straight fight. I could spar with Mike Tyson with swords to teach him something but get destroyed in a boxing match. Hell if you want an example from the series itself, Todo is physically inferior to Yuji but taught him about cursed energy by fighting him. This isn’t even unique to JJK as it happens in several other series.

 

[Arkenis]

I say the scale is busted.

Hanami​

Attack Potency: At least Large Town Level (Physically Comparable to Jogo. Stronger than Aoi Todo. His Cursed Technique is capable of damaging himself and comparable beings. Much stronger than Dagon)

Durability: At least Large Town Level (Able to takes innumerable attacks from Itadori Yuji and Aoi Todo), at most Mountain Level (Survives four simultaneous Black Flash. He is far more durable than Jogo)

Jogo​

Attack Potency: Mountain Level normally (Even though he was extremely sad he was considered on a completely different level to Dagon, even though the shamans had seen all of Dagon's Domain Expnasion and all of his true power in action. Strongest than Sukuna with 3 fingers), likely Large Mountain Level with Maximum Meteor (Is a Maximum Technique, which Kamo compares the power of with the Domain Expansion), Large Mountain Level with Domain Expansion

Durability: Mountain Level (Able to takes attacks from casual Sukuna with 15 fingers and casual Gojo)

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The problem if Hanami is Mountain level is that we'll have early series 2nd grade and semi-1st grade Mountain level characters.

Nobody actually scales to a fp hanami except for Todo and Yuji. It's stated by herself that she has to try a little bit harder against them. It's also shown she just outclasses second grades and that she can one shot them. So no there's no problem.